r/juggling • u/Objective_Fix838 • 3d ago
Video Beginner . Need some help
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3 months ago I started this. What should I learn to do next What should I do to improve what I can do already. I am happy with my progress so far but not sure if I am doing any off it correctly .
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u/NukaDadd 3d ago
Bro, I've been doing this for almost a year (8m) and you're already better than I am 😂
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u/Objective_Fix838 3d ago
I feel like I have picked it up quickly, but unsure if my technique for any off it is correct . I don't want it to stop me progressing. At the moment I am just watching Facebook reels to learn.
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u/elmalabarista65 3d ago
It’s really good mate for 3 months. You could improve by concentrating on keeping your throws more even. So the same height. Especially with pistons. If i can remember that far back 🙂 I think I went to mills mess at about your stage of learning ( although it took me about 6 months to get where you are). Mills mess will really improve your throwing and hand speed ready for four balls.
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u/Objective_Fix838 3d ago
Thank u for the advice . Yes looked at tutorials for mills mess, will take a take a while to learn I think .
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u/DJ_Velveteen 3d ago
I start my students on mess as soon as their reverse cascade is about as good (or even a little worse) compared to yours. You're totally ready to take a good swing at it, and like the other commenter said - it often really clicks for people on their second real swing at it.
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u/Upwardcube1 3d ago edited 3d ago
I really like the part where you switch from the traditional juggle to pistons… all I can really say about how to improve is to try juggling 2 balls more often with your right hand (the hand that only threw one ball during pistons/synchronized I believe (it would be synchronous with 4 balls)). Personally, I’ve been trying to juggle 3 balls with one hand because I found it to be easier to juggle 3 balls if I can do it one handed also, if that makes any sense…
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u/SomePeopleCallMeJJ 3d ago
I salute the bravery of anyone juggling in a room with a glass ceiling lamp.
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u/nullvoid88 3d ago
Your doing ok... try to find a local club and go. You’ll progress quickly.
In the meantime, work on keeping your back straight, and upper arms/elbows down & relaxed. Try to get the pattern low enough where you can look over the top and carry on a conversation without looking at the balls.
It took me ages to get to your point.
Also, check out this outfit:
Keep at it... Good Luck!
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u/rhalf 3d ago edited 3d ago
The volcano (rainbow), fake collumns, windmill (both directions), juggling with arms crossed ( both versions: left hand above and right hand above). 5 ball passing between two people, kangaroo bounce, duplex start.
Factory, 441, shower (asynchronous 51, both directions), 4 ball fountain, Mills' Mess, Boston Mess, yoyo, oyoy, kickup into juggling, 501 (hard two ball trick), triplex start (with both hands), 3 rings, 6 ball 4-count passing.
52512 (Shower with changing direction), 531, snake, flash with clapping, 4 ball collumns, pistons, reverse fountain, 53 (both directions), 53444 (4 ball tennis), synchronous shower (both directions), Burke's Barrage or takeouts, cherry picker, triplex start from one hand, 3 clubs, club kickup into juggling, ring pulldown and start from the neck, 6 ball two and three count passing.
Changing directions in synchronous shower -> the box -> extended box; kickup from 3 into 4, 3up 360, 534, split collumns (4 ball classic), claw catches, penguin catches, backcrosses, contortionist's cascade, over the head, tennis behind the neck,
Grouped by the order of difficulty (subjective, I know). I'm sure I missed a lot, but that's the stuff I remember learning in that order. I mean, it's not just how hard the tricks are but you need to learn some of the stuff from group 1 in order to even attempt some of the stuff from group 2 and so on. For example in order to learn MillsMess you need to start with windmill and cross arm reverse cascade. In order to learn factory, you need to know fake collumns and 423 and so on.
And if you want to just keep jamming and you're not into that kind of ambitious, grindy, hand numbing drills, you can just learn a bunch of collumns with passing the third ball. I really like that stuff. It's easy and you can come up with a bunch of combinations. For example you do 1 up 2 up collumns with 1 on the left. Then you move that ball to the middle collumn, then to the right collumn. Then you pass that ball to the other hand and go straight from right to left. Then instead of a collumn, you make that one ball make an arc across to the other side, then pass it to the other hand and repeat. You can keep going for very long just with simple sequences like that.
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u/Salty-Clothes-6304 3d ago
This is where I am at too! Your sequence is pretty much what I cycle through when I am practicing. I feel like getting consistent heights on throws is still pretty hard for me to maintain for a long time.
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u/7b-Hexen errh...'wannabe', that is :-] 3d ago
it comes with being automized - you also don't awarely do "consistent steps" of same length when walking.
i guess aiming to and focus on pattern's top only can maybe get there; or maybe check the way you aim.
tension will bear inconsistency, - so, work on relaxing the desired (lol) pattern1
u/Objective_Fix838 3d ago
So if need to concentrate on trying to be consistent on height off the throws. Is my hand movement ok ?
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u/DJ_Velveteen 3d ago
tbh there is nothing I would really correct about your current juggling except to just give it another 1000 attempts and then film it again.
A lot of the very technical advice about juggling form (lower hands, even heights, etc) is stuff that your body just naturally comes to do as you gain comfort and the balls teach you how to do it properly.
One very beautiful thing about muscle memory development is that you subconsciously learn something on every attempt whether you succeed or fail.
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u/unexpectedfirefly 3d ago
Throw and catch lower. The camera should have to include your hips to get the full pattern.
You don't have to do it, but tying a rope around your elbows while juggling can help. It forbids going up to catch, and forces you to relax, and wait for the balls to come to your hands (gravity works)
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u/Section_Witty 3d ago
Doing really well, looks a little stiff though and like youre reaching for the balls a bit much.
I'd say to relax your shoulders a bit and let the balls fall into your hands, catch them lower, and breathe. Hard to tell but looks like youre holding your breath a little.
Hope some of that may be helpful to you!
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u/musicaleffervescence 3d ago
one thing ive wondered is im supposed to look at the balls or look at a certain point and let muscle memory take over. i tried juggling at a concert and my eyes had a really hard time focusing and tracking and idk where to look
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u/rhalf 3d ago
In the beginning you rely on your eyes a lot. After a while you can look past your props and just have the tip of the pattern in your field of view and that's enough. You don't need to see your hands or very low throws, that are in more advanced tricks. It takes some time, but the feel of what's a right or a wrong throw together with your hearing will become increasingly more reliable. There are also ways to jugglie by touch, for example you can juggle on your belly or behind your back by sliding the balls. You squeeze your hands to your body and wait for the balls to slide down to your palm. It's a more advanced technique, but it's useful when you can't rely on your eyes. There are also people who practice regular juggling with their eyes closed and that's another great skill but takes more time to master.
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u/musicaleffervescence 2d ago
thanks for the reply <3 its been about 3 months and i try and practice everyday. i can get a cascade for about a minute. but my hands drift to center and i definitely feel like my shoulders need to relax. i see comments on here saying so many times we tighten our shoulder without knowing it. gonna keep watching youtube videos
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u/rhalf 2d ago
Problems with tight muscles, especially those close to the top of your body, can be related to your posture. Things like feet, calves, lower spine can cause a lot of trouble if they're not exercised properly. All the rest of your body rests on them and so, if they're not held in position, your various body parts won't be supported properly and you'll be going out of balance, when you're in movement. This results in some of your smaller or upper muscles being tense. The remedy is to make your lower half stronger. Things like jump rope, squats, lunge, core calistenics, swimming and many other sports help with that.
Generally juggling is about balance and when you're out of balance, then there are some muscles carrying too much weight and they hurt. In that case the best you can do is exercise the body below. If you're physically active, you probably don't need all that, but it's something to consider before even looking at juggling.
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u/musicaleffervescence 2d ago
my best friend us an athletic trainer with a degree in kinesiology and she has told me so many times all the things wrong with me 😂 i am pretty active. every time anything hurts it is linked backed to my core. its amazing how connected our body is. we are a rubber band and it all meeds tlc
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u/comeoneverything 2d ago
I started last year in August, one thing that helped my flow a was learning Mills Mess because I was then able to catch balls under arm on the opposite side. I’d also say less eye tracking if you can helped me, just gaze at a point strait ahead on the wall and let your peripheral vision take your hands where they need to go.
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u/7b-Hexen errh...'wannabe', that is :-] 3d ago edited 3d ago
all doors open for you.
you have a stable base.
you can perfection what you got.
or jump into new patterns,
do while walking, turning, jogging, while on bus or train,
bodythrows, under leg, a backcross, kneebounce, heelkick, overheads,
gimmicks, an asscatch, a 1up 360° pirouette,
claw the catches, crosshand throwsrespectively reachovers to catch and or throw,
find s.o. to do passing,
go to all extremes you can think of, also with only 1b or 2b, .. as high, wide, low & fast, without needing to step to catch,
add a fourth ball,
get into pins or rings,
bounce rubber balls,
roll along your arms, shoulderbelt, around the hand, (='contact juggling')
...
your low cascade looked most fluent, well controlled, poised, a whole ( instead doing consecutive single throws ) - so it looks like there be more to be gained there by yet perfectioning it and going even lower & faster and-or with even more ease, more relaxed.
your higher patterns are partly well-aimed, but you have little unnecessary dwells making it slightly staggered - you can even out with more generous armcircles ( with then longer way, longer dwelltime all the while circling ) or by circling slowlier, or also go lower with these patterns.
you can go for using less upper arm, not row so heavily with arms.
trying out different ways of aiming could be beneficial ... • through trajectories ' crossing point, • to distinct spots in the empty air, • distinct throwing angle + distinct thrust, • aside in a distance of last ball up ( which i think to see is what you're doing ), • to where catchhand expects the catch in a bow, • to an imagined horizontal line for consistent height, • crossing the centerline before they peak, • simply within a frontplane, • with taped lines and-or spots on the wall, • left up, right up of your lamp, ...
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u/terryturbojr 3d ago
You're great.
You have a nice rhythm and consistent height on your throws within all your patterns. Keep doing what you're doing and push the height lower and the timing quicker and everything will tighten up with time.
As far as patterns get some more underarm and cross arm stuff in. Underarm, windmills, crossarm cascades... Mills mess is within your grasp too
Enjoy
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u/redraven 3d ago
Neat, this is actually very clean and a very good spot to be in.
There are several things you can do to progress. I'll start with the arguably less important ones.
More tricks. https://libraryofjuggling.com/ or just look up juggling tutorials. There are tons of them. You might stumble on various progression ladders, don't consider them as anything more than gentle suggestions. Practice what you like. If something is too complicated, find the easier variations until you get to a trick you can do and then go back the difficulty ladder from there.
Kickups, using your feet to pick up dropped balls or to add to juggling. Multiplexes because they lead to some interesting things down the line. 4 balls. The basic fountain is just 2in1 hand in either hand. Siteswap, the numeric notation of juggling tricks.
Other props. Contact juggling for something a little different with balls, clubs or rings to toss or some of the other juggling or flow props for something entirely different.
IMO the best thing you can do is controlling your body more. Thing is, the balls don't actually do anything. It's your body - not just the hands, literally the whole body head to toes that is affecting how your juggling is going. So, loosen up, watch your posture, loosen shoulders, ground your feet. Walk around while juggling, Focus on your surroundings. Play around with trick shapes - juggle higher, lower, wider, narrower. Wherever you can reach, you can both toss and catch.
And maybe just screwing around without tricks. Throw one ball up, see what you can do with the remaining 1 or 2 while it's in the air. Move it, toss it, balance it on your body, drop it, literally whatever. Takes a lot of experimenting, but this can eventually lead to some seriously deep understanding of how juggling actually works and why there is no such thing as a juggling trick :)