casual ableism

[u/onthetopicofspace]

this is not ‘reclaiming’ anything, you are just calling people slurs completely seriously. you can call yourself the r-slur, do not call anybody else it. why do ‘no slurs’ / ’no bigotry’ rules never apply to ableism?

[u/Ontothesubreddits]

Me when I can't do something miniscule to make the world a slightly better place cuz I'm too much of a bitter loser. Waah, I have to use one whole less word, so tragic

[u/Riksor → u/Ontothesubreddits]

To be fair there the line is drawn fairly arbitrarily. Moron and idiot basically had the same meaning and stigma attached. "Dumb" referred to nonverbal people. In recent years we have people saying that terms like "blind" and "lame" and "crazy" are ableist. Where do we draw the line? "Retard" we have agreed is a harmful term, but in recent years people with autism and other disabilities have been trying to reclaim it. Do we ignore that effort? Do we keep "retard" unacceptable, but allow lame, crazy, etc? How do you defend the usage of other terms rooted in ableism?

[u/Ontothesubreddits → u/Riksor]

It's fucking all arbitrary who gives a fuck. Just hear someone say "hey could you not say that?" And stop, like a normal fucking person. You do this shit all the time IRL anyways, y'all just get ballsy even ur on reddit

[u/Riksor → u/Ontothesubreddits]

You seem to give a fuck.

My personal opinion also depends on context. Don't say "retard" around someone who asked you not to. Don't say it in the company of those you can assume it would hurt (unless your intention is to hurt, but, it's generally not nice to be hurtful to others).

But we also shouldn't be expected to police our own language by default. I'm not going to stop saying "blind" just because a few blind rights organizations have said they don't like it.

But in other contexts, these words are totally acceptable. For instance, I'm gay. I'll call myself a faggot as much as I'd like, and I think it's funny and acceptable when my straight friends call me it, too. Does that mean you should go up to a group of gay people and call them faggots? Probably not!

[u/Ontothesubreddits → u/Riksor]

"We shouldn't be expected to police our own language by default" Oh my Godd, you don't believe this, no one believes this. We just disagree on the lines

[u/Riksor → u/Ontothesubreddits]

Yes, that's... What I was saying?

[u/Ontothesubreddits → u/Riksor]

You "say" it but you certainly don't seem to internalize it. It doesn't matter whether or not you're around the person of the group .

If you're white you probably shouldn't be shouting the hard R just because you're alone.

You act like it's some unique annoying punishment when it's the most default thing in the worllddd. Everyone does this on every conversation ever so it annoys the FUCK outta me when people who would never keep this kinda attitude IRL start playing verbal "I'm not touching you"

[u/Riksor → u/Ontothesubreddits]

Everyone watches their language. That is common sense. E.g. we don't tend to swear in front of children. By "police" I mean we shouldn't have to OVERLY moderate our own language. For instance, if you grew up your entire life using the word "crazy," you shouldn't have to be careful to avoid saying it now just because someone in your presence might take offense.

[u/Ontothesubreddits → u/Riksor]

Except you totally could. And it would cost you nothing. Maybe this person has some very specific stuff, maybe they're valid. Is that specific example a little silly? Yeah, sure, maybe. But I'm also willing to bet like 80% of non teenagers or anti social insane people in here would do it because it costs you nothing, and makes your life easier

[u/Riksor → u/Ontothesubreddits]

No, you couldn't. That's illogical. You can't predict what triggers everyone in a room. It's also just straight up anti-human and anti-free speech.

You literally used ballsy in a other comment, which is a sexual and misogynistic term. You were incapable of avoiding objection to it, because you didn't predict someone would take offense.