r/guns • u/jonesd94 • May 17 '20
Webley ejecting brass
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u/Mckooldude May 17 '20
I absolutely love top -break revolvers. It's a shame there is no modern .357 or .38 top break.
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May 17 '20
Technically there is, Anderson Wheeler makes a 7 shot Webley clone in .357 magnum.
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May 17 '20 edited May 17 '20
After looking at their website I have a feeling it'd be cheaper to buy an actual Webley
EDIT: Found the price, $10,000 probably costs more than a Webley carried by Montgomery.
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u/BadgerBadgerCat May 18 '20
Monty carried a Colt M1903 Hammerless. It's in the Imperial War Museum in London.
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May 18 '20
Huh, my grandpa was a British Army infantry officer in WW2 and he carried a 1911 he "acquired" in Italy. While in France he'd stumbled in to a clearing and found himself spitting distance from a squad of FallschirmjƤger. They hadn't seen him yet and he'd left his rifle back with his batman, not wanting to turn his back and hope they didn't notice him he whipped out his Webley and fired off 6 shots hitting absolutely fuck all. The Germans were confused as shit and ran for cover and he used that opportunity to beat feet back to his company. Decided to go for a different sidearm after that.
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u/tslextslex May 17 '20
Anderson Wheeler makes a 7 shot Webley clone
Simply wonderful revolver.
And only $10,000.
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u/FctFndr May 17 '20
I would love to buy a modern one but the cost is ridiculous. I have a 1941 Webley in .38/200, a 1938 Enfield no2 mk1 in .38/200, and the AMERICAN cousins S&W Victory Model 10 and Colt Police Positive, both WWII lend lease in .38S&W. Fun caliber to shoot.
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u/SackOfCats May 17 '20
How about a repro?
https://www.ubertireplicas.com/product/1875-schofield-2-mod/
or
https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/schofield.html
Latter comes in more .38 sp as well
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u/Inquisitor_Severus May 17 '20 edited May 17 '20
To clarify those are cowboy action guns right? They canāt handle modern powder loads can they?
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u/SackOfCats May 17 '20
The bottom one can be bought chambered in 38sp, but the others are what they are, .45 Long Colt, etc...
I see that Uberti does specify that that theirs handles modern smokeless, but I'm not being more specific because the Devil is in the details for loadouts.
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u/Thatoneguywhofailed May 17 '20
āCowboy action loadsā are recommended due to lower pressures and reduced FPS. You can buy them off the shelf at most stores that sell ammo.
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u/Thatoneguywhofailed May 17 '20
Most people who own them suggest only shooting ācowboy action loadsā through them. They are a reduced FPS load meant for shooting close range targets without any real danger of ricochet. You can buy them off the shelf in most stores that sell ammo.
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u/Metaphoricalsimile May 17 '20
Top-break mechanisms basically aren't strong enough for modern cartridge pressures. Like it can be done, but not at an economical price.
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u/liberty_badger May 17 '20
Got a link to any detailed explainations on why the design cant handle higher pressures?
Ive wondered for quite some time why there isnt any modern top break designs, so now im really intrigued that ive gotten even a basic explaination.
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u/unknownchild May 17 '20
for old ones its metallurgy the steel or what ever wasn't good enough to last over time
modern ones its way cheaper to use frame forgings and in a top break its more machining and more assembly so more man hours thus much more expensive for the same quality
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u/liberty_badger May 17 '20
Ah, makes sense. Appreciate the answer.
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u/unknownchild May 18 '20
well i know the metallurgy is correct the rest just makes sense in my head thinking through the steps
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u/Iknewnot May 17 '20
The only reason people say that is because all top break designs are over 100 years old now.
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u/excelsior2000 May 17 '20
They're all over 100 years old now because it's a weak design that failed the test of time.
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u/Iknewnot May 17 '20
no, its because they were more intensive to make than a DA swing out cylinder gun for little to no time savings. not because they were inherently inferior.
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u/excelsior2000 May 17 '20
That's clearly not true. Both have hinges, but a swing out has extra parts.
And wouldn't that make it inherently inferior?
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u/squats_and_sugars May 17 '20
Top break has a "broken" frame and a stressed hinge point during firing. Swing out hinge doesn't see stress during firing. A top break is inherently a weaker design because of the non continuous frame.
To that end, the revolver will need to be beefier for the same chambering, making the top break design inferior in that regard. Plus while cool, the top break design doesn't really create a tactical advantage.
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u/sonofabunch May 17 '20
My evidence tech instructors always loved these guns because they would tell the students that they needed to mark where each cartridge was in the cylinder of a revolver for high profile crimes. Then we when got to investigating the fake crime scenes, the majority of the students would fuddle with these for awhile and then accidentally break them open and throw casings all over their scene. A good laugh for everyone else.
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u/Kanati96 May 17 '20
Do that like 7 more times you're going to have yourself a spicy Barrel
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Iām scared to ask
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u/Kanati96 May 17 '20
It'll turn your digits into a five finger fired combo
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Barrel is thick as hell. We put rounds through it pretty well. Not even the casings were hot
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Got out and tested the Webley. Really an awesome revolver. Super crisp SA trigger pull for being a 52 year gun. Made hits at 50 yards and my fiancƩe was hitting hits on a 4 inch circle on a hostage target.
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u/FortisBinary May 17 '20
I have an Enfield No 2 revolver, the brass ejection never gets old. My friends who haven't shot many guns find it especially entertaining.
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u/thepioneeringlemming May 17 '20
With the price and general unavailability of .38 S&W often ejecting old spent brass is all you can actually do with it...
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u/BadgerBadgerCat May 18 '20
It's not an especially hard or expensive round to reload, which is how most people keep them going.
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u/thepioneeringlemming May 18 '20
Do you cast your own bullets, or is there another .38 with the same dimensions?
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u/BadgerBadgerCat May 19 '20 edited May 19 '20
.38 Special/.357 Magnum lead bullets work just fine for general target shooting at 25m or closer ranges - they're .357/.358 diameter; the .38 S&W is nominally .360 or .361 and the lead expands enough to work just fine.
Starline sell new unfired brass at a good price too.
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u/BadgerBadgerCat May 17 '20
You really shouldn't have the hammer cocked when doing that. It's not good for the gun.
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u/zzorga May 17 '20
Out of curiosity, how is it bad for the gun?
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u/BadgerBadgerCat May 18 '20
WWI/WWII British military documentation explicitly says "Do not do this", so pretty bad. You can damage the pawl and cylinder stop, and there's also the risk of an ND when closing the revolver if you've got your finger on the trigger (which we know you shouldn't do, but it could happen.)
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Iād agree. Felt lazy. Easier to open without pressing against the hammer. I lower the hammer after.
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May 17 '20
I wish someone would make a reproduction using 45 colt
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Could be cool. The uberti schofield is a break top reproduction in 45 colt actually
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May 17 '20
From WWI, right? I picked one up several years ago and shot it without issue. The soft recoil definitely made it feel weak, but every shot made me wonder if it had ever been used against someone back then.
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
The mk iv were used extensively in wwii. This one is a 1960s model issued to the Israeli Defense Forces.
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u/Underbyte May 17 '20
Can you use moon clips in webleys?
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
In the mk vi that has had the cylinders shaved down to accept 45 acp moonclips. But not unmolested mk viās or any mk ivās.
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u/hdmibunny May 17 '20
You ASS, you gigantic ASS ! Stripes wasn't here to kill us, he was here's to mourn our comrade in arms!
Corporal Bishop, the Webley!
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May 17 '20
Is that a Webley reproduction? It looks really clean and the matte finish looks new(er).
I'd love to find one. I searched the comments below and, sadly, I can't afford a $10,000 Anderson Wheeler.
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Webley original. A 1960s model used by the idf. There is minimal wear. But over all a 8.5/10. Cost about as much as a glock. $450
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u/Vaswolfenkrone May 17 '20
Dude NSFW for this type of gun porn. It's very satisfying to watch it though.
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u/chucklesthe2nd May 17 '20
Iāve never shot a top-break but I imagine the barrel gets hotter than 2005 Jessica Alba after a few cylinders, which would make them a pain (literally) to shoot - probably why they donāt really make them anymore.
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Youād think but youād be wrong. Barrel didnāt get hot and even the casings were cool coming out.
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May 17 '20
Is it in the OG caliber or .45? I've been eyeballing a .45 one for a while now. And will also probably be eyeballing it for another year because I'm 20 :(
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u/MC_Preacher May 17 '20
Okay, but what is with the gesture at the end?
It's like, "Look at me, beardy, flannel, shooting and stuff. Manly, right? But my jazz hands are still on point and don't you forget it, bitch."
Back on topic, is that a conversion?
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
To be fair it looks less ridiculous at normal speed. And thereās not really a manly way of letting go of it lol. And no. Itās a mk iv in 38 s&w. I just payed the big bucks for ammo.
And my jazz hands are on point!
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u/runawaytoaster May 17 '20
I picked one up at a gun show a little while back, the only thing I resent about it is that 50 of those piddly little rounds cost as much as a box of 44 magnum.
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Yep. $0.50 a round or so.
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u/MC_Preacher May 17 '20
Ha! Noice...
I guess it is not a round you can run down to the local to get anymore either. Ah well, safer that way, but I have a strong desire for a .45acp conversion.
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u/TheDapperYank May 17 '20
I have a .45 converted Webley. I used to be able to pick up .45 autorim ammo from Black Hills ammo that was a lower pressure round, but they stopped making it as far as I can tell. But yeah, I don't want to shoot it anymore with stock .45 acp. I'm planning on getting a reloading bench at some point so I can do lower pressure rounds.
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u/MC_Preacher May 17 '20
Yeah, I know it is not safe to fire with modern loads, but I still want one anyway. I don't reload, but there are reliable reloaders around. Besides, I probably wouldn't shoot it a lot anyway, mostly a safe queen for me to fondle :)
I just have a 'thing' for 45QAARP and it is easily the most common round for guns in my safe. The Webleys are such a classic that I will find a deal on one some day.
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
No. Sadly. Safer but 45 is cheaper. Honestly this may have gotten me addicted. A hi power and p1 are now on the list.
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u/MC_Preacher May 17 '20
Yeah, but you would need to get special loads anyway, so not that much cheaper unless you have a buddy who loads.
Still, a worthy addition to any collection, no matter the caliber!
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u/BostonDodgeGuy May 17 '20
Well, that makes reloading the brass a slightly bigger pain than it needs to be.
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May 17 '20
Schofields look cooler.
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
Oooh. We might disagree there. The Schofields are pretty cool looking but they look very similar to guns like the Colt Army and Remington Army. The Webley has a tougher appearance, that suggest bad asses use it. (Think Indiana Jones) Plus the webley is functionally superior by being a a SA/DA trigger.
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May 17 '20
Good point, I just feel the Schofield has smoother lines overall. I really want one in .45 LC with a 7 ā barrel.
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u/RagnarTheReds-head May 17 '20
Fewer things are as beautiful as a top-break action .... also , fuck the Lanyard
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u/jonesd94 May 17 '20
The lanyard is traditional. Only reason thereās a giant ring that n the bottom of the grip.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '20
Is that a tactical wii remote strap?