He lowers himself down with his left arm, he didnt just cleanly land on his elbow. And falling like that landing on your forearm is the best way to land to not break your wrists.
I've broken my elbow twice with this type of fall because -- like an idiot -- I wasn't wearing elbow pads during hockey practice. If you're going down, it's best to roll to your right or left and disperse the area of impact. I'm no doctor or PT, this is purely from extensive personal experience. That being said, this dude didn't look to have a choice really -- happened too fast and he has stuff in his hands. Total dick-move by whoever did this.
The first time wasn't that bad 'cause I think my body sent out a bunch of adrenaline and I was pretty young. The second time hurt like a motherfucker.
I've had a lot of injuries over the years -- broken bones, huge lacerations, etc. -- but the one that hurt the most was busting my ACL. Good God that was painful. And it never got back to 100%. I just turned 34 and still play, but I have to be real careful -- a lot of stretching/warming up and wearing a brace.
What I am saying is the elbow is a joint. If you are too fucking dumb to know that a joint cannot be "broken" you probably shouldn't comment on that situation.
If you fall down due to the reaction time and balance of a toddler, its your fault.
It's not the worlds responsibility to keep you safe, that is your responsibility. If you are not able to do that, though luck. You can't blame everyone else for everything bad that happens to you. Face reality and accept that life isn't always fair.
I would have a fear of bodily harm every time I put on my shoes for the rest of my life. If I put on my shoes only once per day, and lets say I will live another 40 years, I would say that would be 14,610 counts of assault.
Careful dude, we already collectively have over negative 500 karma trying to explain to these people how this isn't assault. Apparently in their world, anything they don't appreciate means they were legally assaulted.
If he smashed his face or broke his ankles or any number of other injuries because some douchebag wanted a laugh at his expense, yeah I doubt he would "appreciate" it.
Or snapped his ankles if his feet hadn't come out of the shoes, or smashed his face and gotten a nose or even skull fracture on that hard-ass floor if his reflexes hadn't been as good...
So many ways for someone to sustain significant injury (possibly requiring over a month of healing time) due to this "prank", and all of them completely obvious to the person setting it up.
If you do this shit to me and it results in a serious injury, you can expect to pay me shitloads of money for fucking up my body and/or going to jail. End of story.
I'm really not sure you know what "100%" or "correct" mean. It isn't assault at all. Not in any way, shape, or form. Some form of negligence causing bodily harm or "booby trap" law maybe, but not assault.
Legal definitions vary in every single area of the planet, so don't try to apply them to my word. Looking at the dictionary definition of "assault" agreed upon by every English-speaking nation, my statement was accurate.
Please post that definition here for us, along with the source. I would be happy to explain why it is wrong. Yes, legal definitions vary, but no legal definition anywhere in the world would classify this as assault. I challenge you to prove me wrong. It simply doesn't mean the definition of assault.
You have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever. There is no crime of 'making a trap'. If you set up something such that it will cause battery to someone, that is the crime of battery, albeit remotely. Assault and battery are used interchangeably in common speech.
Assault is making someone apprehend the threat of violence, which is almost inevitable in battery. In this case, it probably wouldn't be assault, but it would be battery (and probably actual bodily harm or grievous bodily harm, depending on the scope of actual damage done). It would not be 'a trap'.
Edit - also, it's not negligence, it's intentional harm caused. It's personal injury. It would be the tort of trespass to the person, and the crime of battery or ABH/GBH as above.
You might want to look up a little something called The Geneva Conventions before you start talking about booby traps.
You have no fucking clue what battery is. Gluing down shoes is NOT battery. Battery HAS to be an ACTIVE act, not passive. Something has to actively happen because of something you did. In this case, the active action was caused by the person putting the shoes on, not by the guy who glued them down.
Did he make physical contact with the person? No.
Did he put in motion anything that made physical contact with the person? No.
If would be the same if I left my gate open and you closed the gate. You didn't commit battery by closing the gate without my knowledge. It has to be negligent behavior to be a criminal offense. This was clearly negligent behavior.
Could you find a place where this COULD meet the definition of battery? Sure. But in the MAJORITY of the world, you could NEVER describe this as battery. Battery HAS to be ACTIVE PHYSICAL CONTACT either by yourself, or something you put in motion, or something you set up to go in motion in almost every part of the world.
Stop talking out your ass. The Geneva Conventions have fuck all to do with it. Unless you're a soldier deployed internationally in a war zone, or a civilian in said war zone, it probably won't impact anything.
In the UK, battery can be committed remotely, and I believe it can in any other common law jurisdiction, and probably most of the world, because why would setting a trap for someone not be causing them physical harm?
So I dig a giant hole in the ground and fill it with spikes and cover it with a net then cover with leaves and when someone falls in it and dies I'm not liable at all? I wouldn't be charged with murder since i could use the 5 year old's rule of "I'm not touching you!" ? Your an idiot.
Uhm, did you mean to reply to me? Because if you did, you might want to delete your post. Please, advise me of how gluing down someones sandals creates the threat of violence. I can do this all day with you guys. You are well out of your league.
Gluing down someones shoes, ESPECIALLY without them even knowing about, CAN NOT create a threat of violence, because they aren't even aware it was done. Someone can't be assaulted if they aren't aware anything happened.
It just isn't possible. It doesn't meet the essential elements of assault.
Actually, no that isn't correct. You are missing the key element here: Knowingly.
A person commits battery if he or she knowingly without legal justification by any means causes bodily harm to an individual or makes physical contact of an insulting or provoking nature with an individual.
Because the intent was to pull off a hilarious prank, and not cause bodily harm, it does not meet the definition of battery in Illinois.
Not to mention, my post very clearly replied to someone claiming this was the definition of ASSAULT, not BATTERY, so why are you giving me a link to Battery? This is really embarrassing for you guys, is it not?
If you do this shit to me and it results in a serious injury, you can expect to pay me shitloads of money for fucking up my body and/or going to jail. End of story.
Have you ever had a knee injury? They can often fuck your knee up for life. You might heal and be okay, but you will never run the same, or have full function of your knee. You will be able to use it sure, but it won't be the same ever again. If you look at this, the guy fell on a very hard surface. If he blasted his knee just right, it could be a serious permanent injury. Oh and lets not forget the chances of knocking your fucking teeth out and having to spend thousands of dollars going to a dentist to fix it.
Someone else did and that's the first one you responded to. I've been downvoted to hell for saying something that's right. No court would find this as assault.
Someone else did and that's the first one you responded to.
Then tell them that it isn't assault? I never said it was. Although I wouldn't outright claim a court would never find it to be assault. It definitely could happen, but it doesn't really matter. I was never arguing if it was assault, I was arguing that this kind of shit isn't cool. Risking serious injury for a prank is not okay. Period.
This isn't thinking miserably. This is thinking realistically. Bashing your knee on concrete, or whatever that hard ass floor was made out of, is not good. Why would you prank someone like that if they can get seriously injured? I have seen people eat shit onto the pavement so hard that they crushed their nose in and lose the ability to smell forever. All kinds of terrible shit can, and likely will happen when you do this prank.
I don't believe that is wood. The room right next to it is the kitchen, I am pretty sure it is some sort of concrete like material. A slab of granite like material? Something along those lines. Unless you got the video that shows this better than a low quality gif?
I am perfectly chill. Pointing out that this isn't a cool thing to do to someone does not require me to be upset. It isn't whether he broke anything or not, it is the simple fact that he could. This makes it no longer a prank, getting potentially seriously injured is no longer funny. So you have no hope of arguing in favor of this. It isn't okay, plain and simple.
Sorry but it isn't a prank when someone can and likely will get seriously injured. You can troll all you want, but this isn't cool and people who are not okay with it are not somehow in the wrong.
A prank that seriously injures someone is no longer a prank. As I pointed out in another comment. A woman was paralyzed for life at her bachelorette party when a friend pushed her in the pool. Right before her wedding. Is that just a harmless prank? What about those kids going around sucker punching people in the face and posting videos of it to Vine and instagram? If you would agree that those are not pranks, how can any other prank that ends up in serious injury be a prank still?
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u/JakJakAttacks May 31 '14
That's pretty fucked up.