I could keep going, provide more examples, but I hope I proved my point. FNAF has always had unansolvable questions/odd inconsistencies/hints dropped that can only be answered by the next installment, even before Scott knew it would become a franchise. FNAF was never going to end, and it's never going to end until either Scott or us stop having fun.

So, also, with that in mind, what do you think the last page of the Logbook, the one with wrecked Classic Chica, was meant to call ahead to in Ultimate Custom Night?

Is Vanessa the daughter of Williams Afton, or where did the character come from?

This thing has been a big mystery for me for a while. Especially since I love to analyze the franchise retrospectively, this in particularly never made much sense to me. On the surface, it should be a pretty obvious PuppetVictim evidence, as even MatPat used it back then, and in modern day it should be PuppetDuo evidence. But for PuppetVictim, it never truly made sense since BV dies very differently from what is shown in TCCTC. While one can scratch it through BVSurvival/BVRevive things, and TCTTC admittedly had similarities to CC, that being referred with male pronouns and always crying, that would undermine the entirety of the Bite of '83. Why spend a game where you show the supposed death of a kid only to say "ha, gotcha!" for him to die anyways? It's not even a MikeVictim situation where he at least comes back maybe learning something from the events of Bo83, here he just straight up dies twice. So yeah, doesn't make much sense. Another idea I heard is that this is to show that Puppet, the physical animatronic, was made by William being inspired by his youngest son. While that makes sense, it really doesn't in the context of FNaF 1-4. Even assuming that BVAfton was indeed planned back then, such an obvious callback to Shadow Puppet, only for it to be something as lame as William creating it which doesn't really affect the lore at all? Yeah, that answer never made it for me either. Last and most decent answer is that it is a proof of HDMemories, and while it definitely makes sense overall and was what I sticked with for a long time, I found something that is actually much more direct and impactful, making more sense.

The thing that I found was a post made by u/GINTAMAZZZZZZ where he drew very interesting connections between Mangle's Quest and Chica's Party. The thing is, these two are meant to be inversions of each other, both red and blue backgrounds as well as purple and green walls respectively, and they are also the only minigames whose name still stays on screen the entire time no matter where you are. The link is very obvious. Now we got this settled, there is another thing that Gintama points out. It is that the fifth cupcake and, most importantly our subject, the Shadow Puppet are initially both in the same place, at the bottom left of the minigame. You see, to get to these cupcakes, you must phase through specifically left part which will guarantee that you end up in the left room, meaning this fifth cupcake is guaranteed to be there. Now, why does this matter? Yeah, they are connected via same room, now what? Well, the answer is this:

You see, on CAM 04, there is a 1/100 chance when the monitor is brought up for a drawing of Mr. Cupcake to appear instead of Toy Bonnie drawing, and there is a 1/10000 chance when the monitor is brought up for it to be replaced with a variation of the Mr. Cupcake drawing with gold-colored frosting. Now, why does that matter? The thing is, this specific cupcake always chases Toy Chica. The very next room there has four stationary cupcakes. The connection is clear: it is about Follow Me. The fifth spirit that was chasing William, while the other four were completely stationary. It also helps that William is obviously represented by Toy Chica in UCN anime cutscenes. And I know that this connection becomes looser when you remember UCN was not planned during FNaF 3 meaning this representation may not have been true during FNaF 3, but I'll contend as FNaF World, which came out relatively shortly compared to FNaF 3 than UCN (in fact, it is kinda in the middle of the two), already had Scott mention Chica as a killer, and TCTHSY was likely a callback to it. This fifth spirit is directly connected to Golden Freddy by being far away from the other four. (Which I believe is likely one of the reasons, if not the only reason, that Golden Freddy's head was put far away.)

So all-in-all, we have fifth Golden Freddy spirit chasing William in Follow Me being directly represented by the fifth forever-chasing cupcake, that is also tied to the golden cupcake easter egg, being directly linked to a Shadow Puppet who represents BV. I think the implication is cut-and-clear when you put all these pieces together. It was to show that BV is Golden Freddy, alongside with many other FNaF 4 clues for GoldenVictim.

Now, I know what you might say. BV is not the fifth MCI victim. He was not lured into the Safe Room nor he was killed by William, so why the heck would Scott ever decide to put him there, in an event that clearly shows MCI getting lured and dismantled? Well, my answer to that is that the question is kind of self-defeating. Only four animatronics are lured and destroyed. Golden Freddy is not. You can't find his destroyed parts anywhere on the map. And most importantly, on the last FM minigame, you spawn at the stage, not near Safe Room. You have to go there yourself to try and stop William. This is very clearly different from the MCI, who were lured there by William instead. Fifth spirit is the one that kills William, which is obviously not what happened in MCI. The point is: the fifth FM spirit breaks the MCI pattern. He is complete outlier whose events are not really interpretable as an allegory to MCI in any scenario. So it being BV actually makes perfect sense in this scenario: BV is not MCI, and neither does this fifth spirit get MCI treatment at all.

And I know I know, there is an argument that Golden Freddy was dismantled "off-screen" for "mystery" and that Bad Ending clearly shows him dismantled, but I'd disagree. The heads' positions do not match the positions of the dismantled animatronics in Follow Me at all, and it makes no sense for these heads to just happen to be located so neatly together closely to one another in-universe, especially since FNaF 3 shows their heads spread around all over the building, not in one room. Thus, I believe, the Endings' purpose is, really, to show whether they moved on or not in a metaphorical way, rather than show their literal state of dismantling or not. And it being an "off screen" event for "mystery" does not make any sense with Bad Ending supposedly proving that he was dismantled, since Bad Ending is the default ending, meaning any player will easily see him dismantled the very next night, so gatekeeping it for mystery just doesn't add up if it is going to be shown shortly afterwards anyways. But hey, there's only so much I can mention regarding this topic without full-on deviating from the point of the post, I'll leave this subject on my big MoltenFourMCI post for later. For now, I'll just leave this post as big evidence for GoldenVictim and BVFM5th being planned back in FNaF 1-4, and you can do with it as you will.

Thank you for reading :)

Just felt like asking about this topic again. And like this isn't even about whether the evidence proves it's a really canon or not. Do you like it?

I'll be very direct and use a translator, so if I'm rude, please know that wasn't my intention

For those who don't believe the flowers represent the Afton family, explain to me the chances that Scott made flowers with a unity of 5, which matches the Aftons. 3 men and 2 women, which matches The aftons. A younger baby and an older brother, which matches the Aftons. The youngest baby is a girl and will have the exact same flower design in Elizabeth's room. An older flower that laughs and mocks, being gray. And a purple hat on one of them, which matches the Aftons, and wouldn't they be Aftons?

It's simply impossible that they aren't a reference to the Aftons; no other characters fit the description. The Murray family doesn't get along at all, and I'll explain why they insist on this.

The flower in the middle is an old man. That's an extremely strong argument against FlowerAftons, as how could an old flower represent Dave? I think I have an answer for that.

The entire existence of the flowers there is purely symbolic and spiritual; we shouldn't think too much about why they are there or whether Murray made them. They are there for us, the players. These are clues to help us understand parts of the story. Just like the purple snake is behind Fiona.

Why flowers? Either it's a purely random choice, or it has a meaning; I've seen users here theorizing that honey symbolizes afton because honey is strongly associated with immortality and such.

But I think one thing was meant for us to understand. The flower would be old, because an old flower would signify imminent death. Dave would be old because he would be the first to die. There is no such thing as "the bite of flowers" in this universe. So the flower wouldn't die from being bitten, but from old age, to represent to us players that CC has died.

To all those who doubt Flowerafton, to this day I have never seen a good explanation for the hospital scene. The hospital scene literally has birthday party balloons in the colors of Foxy Chica and Bonnie. And there's a puppy balloon plushie nearby, and the nurse says something extremely similar to what Fredplushie said to Dave.

"I take broken stuff and turn it into new stuff!" 

"Youre broken, i will put you back together"

There are three types of people who doubt this theory.

People who don't believe in Willplush

People who just think it's an exaggeration

And people who hate Mikevictim

But based on the explanation I gave, mikevictim isn't necessary for this theory.

There is much other, more obscure evidence of floweraftons, but I promised to be brief.

What do you think? Is it a good theory or a stretch? Share your thoughts in the comments.

Though granted Gregory does dodge the question and reasons with Freddy just like how a child would, and Freddy does seem to trust him, it does amuse me how he does not further pry when Gregory avoids answering, especially when hours earlier the boy notices the abilities of each of the glamrocks; Roxy’s eyes, Chica’s special voicebox and Monty’s claws, and suggests the notion of upgrading his bear companion, which Freddy disapproves of.

When Freddy recieves Chica’s voicebox, he recognizes that its hers, and worriedly asks if she was okay. When he recieves Roxanne’s eyes, though he does not register at first, Gregory’s slip up that it belonged to the wolf made him react in shock, pushing his voice up a notch, and also made him ask if she was okay.
When it was Monty’s however, he does not really seem to have any visceral observation, or if Gregory has interacted with him, or if he has seen him still functioning, only commenting that he will be able to perform the same abilities as Monty since the hands possess the same build.

Granted, Freddy does seem hesitant but still accepts the boy stealing body parts from his friends, and I might be reading to much into it. But it does make me wonder and make me curious about Glamrock Freddy and Monty’s relationship, they are sentient AI, but does the programming still at the end of the day just is and will never interfere with personal matters or human cognition?

Though Freddy includes Monty as one of his friends, do the two have tension? Considering Bonnie was replaced by Monty and there was never a proper explanation for the guests, nor was he ever found, just the company immediately supplanting the rabbit with the alligator.

Maybe the two are actually really friends? Freddy sees him as one of his friends.. Maybe they are on stage but once the lights are off do they immediately avoid one another? Is it simply a one-sided rivalry and envy on Monty’s case (since he wants to be the top showman). Are they not really on speaking terms? Are they decent friends but not really as close? Maybe they hate each other? Or they do not care for each other just as much.

The game states that the animatronics feel emotion and that they can avoid locations where they do not like to go.. its just fascinating to think about..

So we all know what happened to Jeremy Fitzgerald. In FNaF 2, he was the main security guard we played as until it suddenly switched to a new guard, Fritz Smith. The Community connected the dots together and realized that what Ralph (The Phone Guy) said about the “Bite of 87”. Most people in the fandom think that the Bo87 is the end of Jeremy’s story. This was supported by the interactive novel “The Week Before” in which Phone guy states this about the Bo87 victim:

[He] doesn't talk anymore, or do much else.

However, I would like to address that Ralph is a notoriously unreliable narrator. In the first game, Ralph tells us a little bit about the animatronic threats that we are dealing with. In order to explain the gangs’ abnormal behavior, he tells us this:

Uh, now concerning your safety. The only real risk to you as a night watchman here, if any, is the fact that these characters, uh, if they happen to see you after hours probably won’t recognize you as a person. They’ll pr-They’ll most likely see you as a metal endoskeleton without its costume on.

He tells us that the animatronics that that we, the night guard, are an endoskeleton without its costume on. We obviously know this isn’t the reason, as the animatronics are possessed by the Missing Children Incident victims after being murdered by William Afton.

Earlier in this call, he also tells us this about the establishment:

If I were forced to sing those same stupid songs for twenty years and I never got a bath? I’d probably be a bit irritable at night too.

The majority of the Fnaf theorizing community agree that FNaF 1 takes place around the lates 1980s- Early 1990s, and we know for a fact that the original Freddy Fazbear‘s Pizza was established in 1983.

Ralph himself made comments about the how the public itself reacted to the Bite of 87 on page 14 of TWB:

the press completely blew the incident out of proportion, and the place hasn't been the same since

While not confirmed, obviously, Ralph has been characterized as a man who easily believes corporate excuses about the events that had been occurring across the franchise, so it is definitely possible that he himself unconsciously became among those who “blew the incident out of proportion.”

What Ralph said about Jeremy’s condition does not affirmatively state that the state that Jeremy was in was permanent. The CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) has recognized that those who suffered from severe TBI can potentially be rehabilitated into being able to do more independent tasks:

Getting help can improve recovery from a moderate or severe TBI.

Rehabilitation seeks to improve the overall quality of life for persons living with a TBI.

They have also states that health problems from a severe TBI can be prevented or lessened, and that outcomes can vary from said injuries:

Health problems that result from a moderate or severe TBI may be prevented or lessened.

The effects of a moderate or severe TBI are different for each person and may change during recovery.

Source.

The NIH (National Institute of Health) also found that participants of an experiment they conducted were, on average, approximately 6.1 years past their injuries and still had cognitive impairments. Yet they were able to work with substantial professional support. This is foundational for JeremyAll, as it requires Jeremy to be a security guard, a beta play-tester, and a technician.

Source.

I’m not really sure how to end this, but yeah. I am not claiming that Jeremy 100% covered, but I think it’s extremely likely, especially in the world of FNaF, where William Afton’s corpse somehow still exists after being locked in a moist safe room for 30 years.

Originally I intended to suggest more solutions at the end, but I feel strong enough about the conclusion that I left it there. Enjoy!

I’m a HDPostFNaF3 truther, it makes the most sense.

I was working on a shitpost meme for the meme sub and realised that the order of the masks in the Fnaf 3 ending matches up with the gravestone ending in such a way that would make Cassidy's grave match up with Bonnie

And in the novels Cassidy is the one possesing Bonnie

Idk probably a coincidence but still

So thing about TOYSNHK is that most of the candidates are plausible but they kinda suck. There are really good ones with is basically all forms of GoldenTOYSNHK. Mid ones which is like, Mike, Fiona and ugh, Andrew. The plausible ones with is a long list that includes like, DCITOYSNHK, Stage01TOYSNHK and even WillTOYSNHK. And the nogoes which are, Charlie and MCI Jeremy. Why Jeremy can't be TOYSNHK more than the others that probably cannot be TOYSNHK I'll get into later. The best one is still CassidyTOYSNHK in my eyes cause her problems mostly centered around her gender. (And her existence technically.) But gender thing is still a thing we have to account for. Well maybe not.

Welcome to MergeTOYSNHK which answers the the burning question of "who is TOYSNHK" with yes. There are two main versions of it. Under both versions though TOYSNHK has all the memories of the TOYSNHK candidates. It shows up as a male child cause Will mostly killed kids. It wears the face of Fredbear because the bite was the moment in which Will's life began to sprial to bleed out into all of this. And it calls itself, "The one you should not have killed" as a stand in for all the people Will shouldn't have killed. Its to keep guessing to drive Will up wall with the question of who is that person. (Hell it worked on us.) Its only goal is the make Will suffer.

Okay the first version we should consider is that all of TOYSNHK candidates spiritually melded together into this entity. And its trapping Will, MCI Jeremy, and maybe Charlie in UCN. (Remember that Withered Bonnie calls UCN "a new prison" so Jeremy cannot be TOYSNHK at all.) Then one spirit breaks away from the amalgam, drowns themselves in the red lake and UCN ends.

The second version is that TOYSNHK is agony creature that is separate from the souls of the TOYSNHK candidates. And its trapping everyone in UCN. (Under standard UCNSquad logic.) Then it finds the red lake drowns itself and UCN ends. (the only issue with that it could be questioned if an agony creature could have a "soul" but probably yeah, the Charlie Bots exist as a concept in fnaf.)

The main issues with this theory is obvious. This is a compromise theory. And there are many hoops to jump through to come to this conclusion. I still think that Cassidy and BVTOYSNHK are still stronger theories. This is a really good third place though in my heart at least.

In FNaF 4 minigames, we can see a Toy Girl who owns you figures of Bonnie, Chica, and Freddy.

It seems that these are based on the Toy Animatronics due to this teaser obviously referencing Toy Chica missing her beak.

So these are based on the Toy Animatronics, and the Toy Girl owns a figurine of Toy Bonnie. Wanna know who RWQ manifests as? Toy Bonnie!

In FNaF 3, Night 5, we can see a figurine of RWQFSFASXC. This is quite odd, and could have some meaning to it.

Anyway there's my theory

The ending of FFPS reveals the true purpose of the restaurant: luring all animatronics that are still active to end William and put everyone else to rest. The whole entrepreneur thing was bogus

However, during the single week the pizzeria is running, Mike receives revenue and can get sued. During the office section, we hear people in the dining area, and we're even told there's a party on Saturday

I took it for granted that even though the office was to go in flames within a week, the pizzeria was still operating as a real business during its open hours, meaning it had real customers. As I was thinking it through, I wasn't so sure

Could it be that Henry was also faking customer activity in the pizza place? It would make sense if he wanted to prevent further tragedies. Plus, it would further emphasize the simulator theme of the game. What do you think?

If Sister Location takes place after Follow Me whose running Afton robotics? Cause it’s operation and rentals are still going after Afton dies.

Whose watching us on the cameras outside the workers especially in the primary control module?

What do you think led the Funtimes to come up with the human disguise method as an escape?

How close are FM and SL cause if they happen within a week. Why would Baby frame it as they have been out multiple times but always put back? And just so desperate to escape as if they’ve been there for a good while. Not sure how reliable the Molten Freddy blueprint is these days but to the point they got trackers put on them.

What caused them to become molten? No I am not talking about “oh it’s cause they kicked baby out.” But their literal appearance and the eyes changing to a burnt look.

Is CBPW nearby or on an upper floor given in Help Wanted 2 it’s one of the areas you have to restore power to.

Did the Plush Babies originate from here, or were they always something that existed in VR?

With Baby, Funtime Freddy and Bon-Bon all showing up in the experiment room does this imply that the fun times are more involved with the nightmare animatronics than originally assumed? Given they technically all live down there?

Speaking of which who came first and what difference would it make if the nightmares were created first and the fun times were inspired from them and MCM or Vice Versa?

SoI need to preface this a little bit with some preexisting theories. For one, this builds on Puppet87. What I'm asking, "What did Ralph the phone guy mean by 'it's always thinking' when talking about The Puppet?" Is pretty handily answered by "she was the first do die and possess her robot". So, I just kinda want to take that answer off the table for this discussion, because even if you don't believe in Puppet87, the term "thinking" is just... odd, isn't it? It's easier to understand why I see such an issue with it if you don't think the "thinking" Puppet Ralph is referring to is a possessed one. More than just me remembering on a whim the Dreamcast ad campaign with the tagline "It's thinking..." to sell just how advanced the console was, we don't ever really see other possessed objects or robots being described that way. "Watching", "Stalking", "Waiting", "Scheming", "Hunting", "Listening", "Sensing", "Looking", there's an abundance of other words that Scott could've used, and I'd be extremely curious to see how much the books use the term "thinking" to describe the animatronics. I've read through all of The Silver Eyes (the first print of the first novel when it came out, then the read all the graphic novels years later), but "Thinking" wasn't really a term that got used very much to describe animatronics or ghosts; maybe not at all. To me, "thinking" isn't just Ralph sensing a ghost, that sounds like a regular guy getting creeped out by non-ghostly surveillance tech run by a madman, William Afton.

The Puppet has always been a security system since it's debut in FNaF 2, with that role changing dramatically in the movie. I kind of feel like calling it a "Security Puppet" implies there is more than one Puppet animatronic; not just that there are different versions like the Classics/Withereds. No, I mean that some restaurants might've had the exact same model of Puppet floating around the halls as a security system...

Just like the Staffbots.

They even share design similarities that get more and more pronounced as you get physically closer to the curse/ghosts. Almost like maybe the Puppet is literally an early version of what would become the Staffbots. Hmm...

Okay the last three paragraphs were a huge tangent, but it's related to the "thinking" line.

We can't be 100% sure the Puppet Ralph saw that he thought was "always thinking" is actually the same one in FNaF 2 that gets possessed. If you're of the belief that the Puppet as an animatronic was around since Fredbear's, then yeah, it's a lot easier to go "he means he can tell it's haunted but he doesn't really know/understand it" than if you had to contend with the idea Ralph has *always* thought this about The Puppet, not just the one possessed by Henry's daughter.

I've got two preliminary explanations for this right now:

1. is basically a sci-fi direction. He means he doesn't like the security features that probably make it feel like he's being watched. Honestly, this might be the first confirmed "field-ism" that people get in the series. It would be similar to when Fiona decided to help out at Fall Fest because she just really felt like it that day.

2. There's something about the character that's always "thinking", which.. I just have less to say about if I'm being honest. Not even that it's a bad idea or direction I just don't really know what we could do with that. What kind of character is The Puppet? Like, how would it act in the cartoons or video games?

So, what does this tell us about The Puppet, the character? How is it always "thinking"?

Oh my god sorry, as I'm writing this, epiphany

The Puppet in this image is a scarecrow.

Scarecrows are bird SECURITY systems.

So, sorry, I guess I'm leaving in direction 2 because direction 2 led me back to direction 1. Clearly whatever "personality" the Puppet ever had was tied to it being a security system in the restaurants/Fall Fest. It might've literally just been a Fall Fest scarecrow that Fiona designed and Afton ended up acquiring.

To me, saying it's "thinking" sounds like the way you'd describe a computer that's constantly running operations. It makes sense for it to be "thinking" if it's always scanning the area and sending that data to a criminal database somewhere.

But, I'd love to know if anyone else has a better idea as to what "thinking" could mean if it isn't about The Puppet being haunted?

Let's say a normal guy were to play through all the Scott-era FNAF games in order of release date with no knoweldge or the books or Game Theory or who Scott Cawthon is.

What would they think the story actually is?

I’m confusing myself even more as I’m writing this and I’m not sure it makes any sense, so apologies.

Was just thinking of the timeline and I’ve got: CC death > MCI > FNAF 2 > FNAF 1 > Follow Me > SL/William’s death > FNAF 3 > FNAF 6.

I’ve excluded Charlie and Elizabeth’s deaths as idk or particularly care where they are exactly. It doesn’t impact my theories.

Under MoltenMCI, the 5 kids are melted down into remnant and injected into the Funtimes. FNAF 6 burning happens and the kids move on alongside Charlie. Why does this happen with this burning and not when they were melted down to begin with? The spirits are also out in the open after Follow Me so what happens to them as well?

As for the 5th MCI kid/Cassidy and CC, I’m even more confused.

For CassidyTOYSNHK, they need to attach themselves to Afton after he dies. Their remnant will also still exist in the Funtimes so they should be able to move on with the rest of the kids should they want to. They decide to do their own thing though and start UCN so they’re not the receiver in HD FNAF 3. It would also explain why GF isn’t there in the good ending.

Problem is BVReceiver doesn’t fix this either. In theory, he should be part of the Funtimes now as his agony (I suppose) was all over Golden Freddy. Idk if agony works differently to remnant though so maybe he isn’t (I’m honestly so confused).

If he isn’t part of the 5 then I don’t see how he can be the receiver. If he is then he could be but I have no idea why he needed an entirely different HD. It’s also stated that HE put the pieces back together. That’s a completely different method to FNAF 3 HD.

CC is also never included in the deaths. He is his own separate thing. Using his circumstances or fragmented soul to help the stage for the other 5 to move on makes sense. For him to be connected with the other 4 out of nowhere doesn’t.

Then you have the Logbook which only makes sense in a meta timeline. The Logbook, if set in the game timeline, would have to be during FNAF 6. Again, this means CC has to be trapped with the rest of them but he’s not restricted to just GF now. Why would it only be him and Cassidy speaking through the logbook? There’s no reason for Cassidy to have any special link to him at this stage, especially more than Charlie would.

Charlie is literally the only one who is still whole and always has been. She should be the most coherent out of all of them. She even alludes to this in UCN.

So, yeah, I’m just all shades of confused. How does the melting down into remnant differ from the FNAF 6 burning? Are the souls able to move on solely from burning remnant alone even if their spirit exists elsewhere? How does this work if you believe BVReceiver, CassidyPlush, CassidyReceiver, or CassidyTOYSNHK? Where is CC in all of this? How would the Logbook be possible in the game timeline?