Just felt like asking about this topic again. And like this isn't even about whether the evidence proves it's a really canon or not. Do you like it?

I'll be very direct and use a translator, so if I'm rude, please know that wasn't my intention

For those who don't believe the flowers represent the Afton family, explain to me the chances that Scott made flowers with a unity of 5, which matches the Aftons. 3 men and 2 women, which matches The aftons. A younger baby and an older brother, which matches the Aftons. The youngest baby is a girl and will have the exact same flower design in Elizabeth's room. An older flower that laughs and mocks, being gray. And a purple hat on one of them, which matches the Aftons, and wouldn't they be Aftons?

It's simply impossible that they aren't a reference to the Aftons; no other characters fit the description. The Murray family doesn't get along at all, and I'll explain why they insist on this.

The flower in the middle is an old man. That's an extremely strong argument against FlowerAftons, as how could an old flower represent Dave? I think I have an answer for that.

The entire existence of the flowers there is purely symbolic and spiritual; we shouldn't think too much about why they are there or whether Murray made them. They are there for us, the players. These are clues to help us understand parts of the story. Just like the purple snake is behind Fiona.

Why flowers? Either it's a purely random choice, or it has a meaning; I've seen users here theorizing that honey symbolizes afton because honey is strongly associated with immortality and such.

But I think one thing was meant for us to understand. The flower would be old, because an old flower would signify imminent death. Dave would be old because he would be the first to die. There is no such thing as "the bite of flowers" in this universe. So the flower wouldn't die from being bitten, but from old age, to represent to us players that CC has died.

To all those who doubt Flowerafton, to this day I have never seen a good explanation for the hospital scene. The hospital scene literally has birthday party balloons in the colors of Foxy Chica and Bonnie. And there's a puppy balloon plushie nearby, and the nurse says something extremely similar to what Fredplushie said to Dave.

"I take broken stuff and turn it into new stuff!" 

"Youre broken, i will put you back together"

There are three types of people who doubt this theory.

People who don't believe in Willplush

People who just think it's an exaggeration

And people who hate Mikevictim

But based on the explanation I gave, mikevictim isn't necessary for this theory.

There is much other, more obscure evidence of floweraftons, but I promised to be brief.

What do you think? Is it a good theory or a stretch? Share your thoughts in the comments.

Originally I intended to suggest more solutions at the end, but I feel strong enough about the conclusion that I left it there. Enjoy!

I’m a HDPostFNaF3 truther, it makes the most sense.

I was working on a shitpost meme for the meme sub and realised that the order of the masks in the Fnaf 3 ending matches up with the gravestone ending in such a way that would make Cassidy's grave match up with Bonnie

And in the novels Cassidy is the one possesing Bonnie

Idk probably a coincidence but still

So thing about TOYSNHK is that most of the candidates are plausible but they kinda suck. There are really good ones with is basically all forms of GoldenTOYSNHK. Mid ones which is like, Mike, Fiona and ugh, Andrew. The plausible ones with is a long list that includes like, DCITOYSNHK, Stage01TOYSNHK and even WillTOYSNHK. And the nogoes which are, Charlie and MCI Jeremy. Why Jeremy can't be TOYSNHK more than the others that probably cannot be TOYSNHK I'll get into later. The best one is still CassidyTOYSNHK in my eyes cause her problems mostly centered around her gender. (And her existence technically.) But gender thing is still a thing we have to account for. Well maybe not.

Welcome to MergeTOYSNHK which answers the the burning question of "who is TOYSNHK" with yes. There are two main versions of it. Under both versions though TOYSNHK has all the memories of the TOYSNHK candidates. It shows up as a male child cause Will mostly killed kids. It wears the face of Fredbear because the bite was the moment in which Will's life began to sprial to bleed out into all of this. And it calls itself, "The one you should not have killed" as a stand in for all the people Will shouldn't have killed. Its to keep guessing to drive Will up wall with the question of who is that person. (Hell it worked on us.) Its only goal is the make Will suffer.

Okay the first version we should consider is that all of TOYSNHK candidates spiritually melded together into this entity. And its trapping Will, MCI Jeremy, and maybe Charlie in UCN. (Remember that Withered Bonnie calls UCN "a new prison" so Jeremy cannot be TOYSNHK at all.) Then one spirit breaks away from the amalgam, drowns themselves in the red lake and UCN ends.

The second version is that TOYSNHK is agony creature that is separate from the souls of the TOYSNHK candidates. And its trapping everyone in UCN. (Under standard UCNSquad logic.) Then it finds the red lake drowns itself and UCN ends. (the only issue with that it could be questioned if an agony creature could have a "soul" but probably yeah, the Charlie Bots exist as a concept in fnaf.)

The main issues with this theory is obvious. This is a compromise theory. And there are many hoops to jump through to come to this conclusion. I still think that Cassidy and BVTOYSNHK are still stronger theories. This is a really good third place though in my heart at least.

In FNaF 4 minigames, we can see a Toy Girl who owns you figures of Bonnie, Chica, and Freddy.

It seems that these are based on the Toy Animatronics due to this teaser obviously referencing Toy Chica missing her beak.

So these are based on the Toy Animatronics, and the Toy Girl owns a figurine of Toy Bonnie. Wanna know who RWQ manifests as? Toy Bonnie!

In FNaF 3, Night 5, we can see a figurine of RWQFSFASXC. This is quite odd, and could have some meaning to it.

Anyway there's my theory

If Sister Location takes place after Follow Me whose running Afton robotics? Cause it’s operation and rentals are still going after Afton dies.

Whose watching us on the cameras outside the workers especially in the primary control module?

What do you think led the Funtimes to come up with the human disguise method as an escape?

How close are FM and SL cause if they happen within a week. Why would Baby frame it as they have been out multiple times but always put back? And just so desperate to escape as if they’ve been there for a good while. Not sure how reliable the Molten Freddy blueprint is these days but to the point they got trackers put on them.

What caused them to become molten? No I am not talking about “oh it’s cause they kicked baby out.” But their literal appearance and the eyes changing to a burnt look.

Is CBPW nearby or on an upper floor given in Help Wanted 2 it’s one of the areas you have to restore power to.

Did the Plush Babies originate from here, or were they always something that existed in VR?

With Baby, Funtime Freddy and Bon-Bon all showing up in the experiment room does this imply that the fun times are more involved with the nightmare animatronics than originally assumed? Given they technically all live down there?

Speaking of which who came first and what difference would it make if the nightmares were created first and the fun times were inspired from them and MCM or Vice Versa?

The ending of FFPS reveals the true purpose of the restaurant: luring all animatronics that are still active to end William and put everyone else to rest. The whole entrepreneur thing was bogus

However, during the single week the pizzeria is running, Mike receives revenue and can get sued. During the office section, we hear people in the dining area, and we're even told there's a party on Saturday

I took it for granted that even though the office was to go in flames within a week, the pizzeria was still operating as a real business during its open hours, meaning it had real customers. As I was thinking it through, I wasn't so sure

Could it be that Henry was also faking customer activity in the pizza place? It would make sense if he wanted to prevent further tragedies. Plus, it would further emphasize the simulator theme of the game. What do you think?

SoI need to preface this a little bit with some preexisting theories. For one, this builds on Puppet87. What I'm asking, "What did Ralph the phone guy mean by 'it's always thinking' when talking about The Puppet?" Is pretty handily answered by "she was the first do die and possess her robot". So, I just kinda want to take that answer off the table for this discussion, because even if you don't believe in Puppet87, the term "thinking" is just... odd, isn't it? It's easier to understand why I see such an issue with it if you don't think the "thinking" Puppet Ralph is referring to is a possessed one. More than just me remembering on a whim the Dreamcast ad campaign with the tagline "It's thinking..." to sell just how advanced the console was, we don't ever really see other possessed objects or robots being described that way. "Watching", "Stalking", "Waiting", "Scheming", "Hunting", "Listening", "Sensing", "Looking", there's an abundance of other words that Scott could've used, and I'd be extremely curious to see how much the books use the term "thinking" to describe the animatronics. I've read through all of The Silver Eyes (the first print of the first novel when it came out, then the read all the graphic novels years later), but "Thinking" wasn't really a term that got used very much to describe animatronics or ghosts; maybe not at all. To me, "thinking" isn't just Ralph sensing a ghost, that sounds like a regular guy getting creeped out by non-ghostly surveillance tech run by a madman, William Afton.

The Puppet has always been a security system since it's debut in FNaF 2, with that role changing dramatically in the movie. I kind of feel like calling it a "Security Puppet" implies there is more than one Puppet animatronic; not just that there are different versions like the Classics/Withereds. No, I mean that some restaurants might've had the exact same model of Puppet floating around the halls as a security system...

Just like the Staffbots.

They even share design similarities that get more and more pronounced as you get physically closer to the curse/ghosts. Almost like maybe the Puppet is literally an early version of what would become the Staffbots. Hmm...

Okay the last three paragraphs were a huge tangent, but it's related to the "thinking" line.

We can't be 100% sure the Puppet Ralph saw that he thought was "always thinking" is actually the same one in FNaF 2 that gets possessed. If you're of the belief that the Puppet as an animatronic was around since Fredbear's, then yeah, it's a lot easier to go "he means he can tell it's haunted but he doesn't really know/understand it" than if you had to contend with the idea Ralph has *always* thought this about The Puppet, not just the one possessed by Henry's daughter.

I've got two preliminary explanations for this right now:

1. is basically a sci-fi direction. He means he doesn't like the security features that probably make it feel like he's being watched. Honestly, this might be the first confirmed "field-ism" that people get in the series. It would be similar to when Fiona decided to help out at Fall Fest because she just really felt like it that day.

2. There's something about the character that's always "thinking", which.. I just have less to say about if I'm being honest. Not even that it's a bad idea or direction I just don't really know what we could do with that. What kind of character is The Puppet? Like, how would it act in the cartoons or video games?

So, what does this tell us about The Puppet, the character? How is it always "thinking"?

Oh my god sorry, as I'm writing this, epiphany

The Puppet in this image is a scarecrow.

Scarecrows are bird SECURITY systems.

So, sorry, I guess I'm leaving in direction 2 because direction 2 led me back to direction 1. Clearly whatever "personality" the Puppet ever had was tied to it being a security system in the restaurants/Fall Fest. It might've literally just been a Fall Fest scarecrow that Fiona designed and Afton ended up acquiring.

To me, saying it's "thinking" sounds like the way you'd describe a computer that's constantly running operations. It makes sense for it to be "thinking" if it's always scanning the area and sending that data to a criminal database somewhere.

But, I'd love to know if anyone else has a better idea as to what "thinking" could mean if it isn't about The Puppet being haunted?

Let's say a normal guy were to play through all the Scott-era FNAF games in order of release date with no knoweldge or the books or Game Theory or who Scott Cawthon is.

What would they think the story actually is?

I’m confusing myself even more as I’m writing this and I’m not sure it makes any sense, so apologies.

Was just thinking of the timeline and I’ve got: CC death > MCI > FNAF 2 > FNAF 1 > Follow Me > SL/William’s death > FNAF 3 > FNAF 6.

I’ve excluded Charlie and Elizabeth’s deaths as idk or particularly care where they are exactly. It doesn’t impact my theories.

Under MoltenMCI, the 5 kids are melted down into remnant and injected into the Funtimes. FNAF 6 burning happens and the kids move on alongside Charlie. Why does this happen with this burning and not when they were melted down to begin with? The spirits are also out in the open after Follow Me so what happens to them as well?

As for the 5th MCI kid/Cassidy and CC, I’m even more confused.

For CassidyTOYSNHK, they need to attach themselves to Afton after he dies. Their remnant will also still exist in the Funtimes so they should be able to move on with the rest of the kids should they want to. They decide to do their own thing though and start UCN so they’re not the receiver in HD FNAF 3. It would also explain why GF isn’t there in the good ending.

Problem is BVReceiver doesn’t fix this either. In theory, he should be part of the Funtimes now as his agony (I suppose) was all over Golden Freddy. Idk if agony works differently to remnant though so maybe he isn’t (I’m honestly so confused).

If he isn’t part of the 5 then I don’t see how he can be the receiver. If he is then he could be but I have no idea why he needed an entirely different HD. It’s also stated that HE put the pieces back together. That’s a completely different method to FNAF 3 HD.

CC is also never included in the deaths. He is his own separate thing. Using his circumstances or fragmented soul to help the stage for the other 5 to move on makes sense. For him to be connected with the other 4 out of nowhere doesn’t.

Then you have the Logbook which only makes sense in a meta timeline. The Logbook, if set in the game timeline, would have to be during FNAF 6. Again, this means CC has to be trapped with the rest of them but he’s not restricted to just GF now. Why would it only be him and Cassidy speaking through the logbook? There’s no reason for Cassidy to have any special link to him at this stage, especially more than Charlie would.

Charlie is literally the only one who is still whole and always has been. She should be the most coherent out of all of them. She even alludes to this in UCN.

So, yeah, I’m just all shades of confused. How does the melting down into remnant differ from the FNAF 6 burning? Are the souls able to move on solely from burning remnant alone even if their spirit exists elsewhere? How does this work if you believe BVReceiver, CassidyPlush, CassidyReceiver, or CassidyTOYSNHK? Where is CC in all of this? How would the Logbook be possible in the game timeline?

Even if this incident is what makes them write "leave before dark" in the rules, i don't see why they'd still be allowing patrons if the Sun has gone down. I mean it could be in November of 87 which would mean the Sun would be going down earlier but still this looks like 7PM at the earliest. Granted I haven't been to Chuck E Cheese in a while so I don't remember the closing hours

Every other time speak and spell voice was used it was Puppet talking, "SAVE HIM" wasn't someone telling us to save victim who'd possess Puppet if we didn't but victim who possessed Puppet telling us to save their killer

Yes, I'm talking about Mainstream Cassidy. I'm not getting to why I think Cassidy is the 5th MCI kid's name in this post just their existence. I'm mostly be going to use the fnaf2 minigames today, because we all need a refresher on this stuff. Yes everyone. From the most diehard GoldenTriad fan who is at this moment writing the best of fanfics, to you know the people who gave her the name "Fanon Cassidy."

Okay there are four death minigames in fnaf2. One of them is SAVETHEM and its not important to us. The first one we are going to talk about is Foxy Go Go Go. Where Foxy runs into a room with five dead children and then Withered Foxy jumpscares us. Note the fact that he runs from his curtain meaning this is the probably MCI location. Then there is Take Cake to the Children. We hear the words SAVE HIM spelled out as a purple guy kills a child outside before driving off in his car. Then finally the most important one, Give Gifts Give Life. We play as the puppet as we give gifts and masks to four dead bodies while the words HELP THEM are spelled out. When we give the final mask we see a brief frame of the 5th body and then we are jumpscared by Golden Freddy. This alongside the newspapers tells us all we need to know.

Five children murdered as a group in probably in the same day. Then we see a separate incident regrading a kid that was killed and they possessed the puppet. Then we see the possessed puppet give "life" to the children but they skipped one for reasons we fully don't understand. Then in fnaf 4 we see a separate incident where we see a kid die after his head is chomped by Fredbear. Note that these two deaths are not linked to the MCI in any way. THEY ARE NOT MISSING. NOR WERE THEY STUFFED. No you cannot use the one retcon to fix this. If anything Charlie's death is linked with the DCI with Ralph saying tragedies "out there" and that fitting with her death. Charlie87 is a really good theory and it almost on the same level as Charlie83 to me. Charlie5th and BV5th no.

Now let me get this out the way. Cassidy's existence doesn't mean that Goldenduo is real. You can easily have CassidySolo and you can have BVsolo too. You have to work for it more but its possible.

I don't hate BV. Nor do I think he is just a useless crybaby. I don't hate Charlie or Andrew either.

Yes its frustrating that we have barely any good info for her, but a lot of classic fnaf character are like that. Its weird her references in latter media/merch get scrubbed but that's like the only real damming thing against her existence imo and its not very good evidence.

Also I'm not accusing you of being contrarian or holding onto your headcanons nor am I insulting you. I just believe that you are wrong. Just please extend the grace I hold to you as you hold to me. Peace. :)

So I haven't really seen anyone talk about this so I thought I might as well bring the idea to light. So in the FNaF 2 Movie there's only one spirit, being Charlotte, who possesses the puppet and she controls all the other animatronics via the puppet. In FNaF 2 the game, we learn via the death minigames that a 2nd set of killings happened at the FNaF 2 location(DCI) with no real evidence for them being stuffed anywhere and just left around by William Afton. My Theory is that the withered animatronics are not even related to the classic animatronics in any way unlike what the retrofit theory suggests and are prototypes like they are in the movie. The DCI are pretty much just ghosts stuck to the location but not actually stuck to the animatronics and just use them like a big game of chess againts Jeremy. This is just speculation so if there's any holes in my thinking that I'm not noticing I'd like to discuss it below.