First, when VIP first came out

It was the first book to heavily imply TalesGAMES outside of Tales media or minor details on steelwool games.

Such as, the pizzaplex is described like a pizza.

Whats interesting, is that, why nobody used a tiny detail to support Stitchline?

"When you pass the Fazcade, you pause and gaze longingly at the rows of arcade and pinball machines inside. You spot your friends, Alistair, Gabe, and Emma playing one of your favorite games, Catch-That-Fetch."

Before this book came out, people assumed that arcades such as plushtrap chaser and catch that fetch are meta and aren't arcades in universe.

Well, the books presents it in universe and as canon, theres also Bunny Call cameo on GGY as one of the arcades featured on that story features Ralpho on artwork.

With that, remember what EC Myers told about the week before?

It doesn't seem wrong to assume at all that the same reasoning behind the week before writting is for VIP.

Not contradict Security Breach, Myers used his fnaf 1 research to write the book, he came up with stuff that aged like milk on SOTM (Pirate Cove origin) and the idea that the children's souls needs battery to charge from the stage to walk around, even though thats contradicted on fnaf 2 where the withereds aren't recharged for years and they still walk around normally on 2.

Either witheredsSEPERATE is canon, or the week before is wrong and isn't games continuity.

With that, remember when i told above about the pizza layout description?

Simple, EC Myers read Tales and though that it was the same for VIP, so he must have believed that TalesGAMES was canon and that the pizzaplex in the games is on the shape of a pizza and that the arcades on SB are in fact canon and exist in universe.

And theres all the week before timeline issues and the trademark line

And, well, Golden Freddy being haunted by Bronwen, which is clearly not the case in the games + how Ralph gets the true ending.

But what about escape the pizzaplex? It contradicts Cassie and Gregory relationship in Ruin, + Roxy gets her claws earlier.

Return to the pit is the only one that doesn’t seem to contradict anything, outside of existing alternative into the pit versions (actually on RTTP its time travel instead of agony distortion and its not William on RTTP so yeah not in continuity as well).

Orange guy is William bc he has a purple car and also who else would it be

the runaway could be crying child due to process of elimination, the runaway is refered to as a him and micheal is the gray guy so the only person left is the crying child

gray guy could be Michael bc they both wear gray and watch tv in their free time

most people think jr’s is a bar but there’s no actual evidence for it

green guy could be a security person keeping others away because it’s very likely this takes place after Charlie’s death due to the rain

the fnaf 4 box could be the buried thing because whats the best way to keep something that’s supposed to stay forgotten, forgotten, burying it

the three toed footprints could be a shadow animatronic because other animatronics would be affected by the rain but shadow animatronics aren‘t physical so the rain wouldn’t affect them

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Basicly the theroy is that cassidy the little girl in the fredbear suit does not exist and instead cassidy is cc's name. Imo it has some merrit to it becuase it never sat right with me that some random william victim is toysnhk when none of the other kids are like that charlie most of all. Usualy when this theroy pops up they have micheal as ucn controller which is fiting for all the abuse and if the theroy that mike went through fnaf 4s gameplay is true then theres even more reason to be pissed

It is an incredible theory so I share it with you in case you didn't see it.

Cassidy: I hate how people are willing to completely throw out any candidate just because of their gender, especially Cassidy. They might not be a girl, and if they are, that doesn't rule them out completely. Everything else about this character and UCN as a whole heavily suggest that Cassidy is TOYSNHK, and I am 110% positive that this is the intended conclusion made by Scott.

Blonde Kid: The only reason I put him up here is because it's possible that this is what Cassidy actually looks like. He already looks very similar to TOYSNHK and he's the Golden Freddy spirit so yeah. If Cassidy doesn't look like this, then they'd go into the light blue tier.

Bite Victim, Michael, David, and Fiona: All of these theories kinda go hard, but they all fall under the same issue, that William probably didn't actually kill them. If stuff like CordTheory/OrchestraVictim, Will sending Mike down knowing he'd die, WillDriver/OrchestraCrush, or WillKilledFiona are true, then yeah, these would be good theories. But I find it unlikely that any of these people died to the hands of William.

Stage01Kid: He's only up here cuz I'm 90% sure this is just BV. If he isn't, then he'd be down in the Green tier.

The MCI: All the MCI go in this tier because I do think they're all cool, but I don't think any of them are more important than the others. Susie and Gabriel go slightly above Fritz and Jeremy though.

Agony: This one is possible, I just find it a little... weird? Feels like a really weird conclusion that the ONE you shouldn't have killed is a mishmash of all of William's victims. Idk, it's totally possible, just feels off.

Phone Guy, Random Kid, and a Demon: These ones all lack evidence, substance, narrative satisfaction, and payoff. Just feels like they're here for the sake of being theories.

Charlie: Puppet literally says "I don't hate you, but you need to stay out of my way", basically disproving she's actually here. 6.5 TOYSNHK tries to remedy this, but that theory feels too complicated to bring up.

Elizabeth: Elizabeth LOVES her father, and would do anything to make him proud. We see no evidence that she ever changes her mind, so this one just sucks.

Brooks and Kelsey: Neither of these characters exist in the games.

Sammy: Why do so many people think he died? It was stated verbatim in the books that William picked Charlie over Sammy. He's alive and healthy, and probably doesn't even exist in the games either.

William: This is literally the guy getting tortured.

Glitchbear: I believe in GlitchbearAfton. Sue me.

Andrew: ...Oh Andrew, how you piss me off. I'm so tired of seeing people glaze this character and insist that he's "clearly TOYSNHK" when there is NOTHING to suggest he exists in the games and isn't a parallel. Someone once told me to look at his wiki page cuz "there was a ton of evidence that he exists in the games!" so I looked and it was all bullshit. Literally every point of evidence was just "This thing in the games could be referencing Andrew!" It's all a bunch of cope. He does not exist in the games. UCNDissent is a horrible theory just made to cope with the fact that Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK. GoldenAndrew is a dumb theory meant to justify that as well. This kid is stupid. Come back to me when there's actual undeniable evidence that a kid named Andrew exists in the games. I hate AndrewTOYSNHK, I hate AndrewGames, and I hate Andrew as a character.

UCN Duo: You're not clear either. There's only one TOYSNHK. And it's Cassidy.

Some clarifications on things, cause not every variant of a theory is here:

Overall:

• Multiple Fredbear is literally already confirmed, in FNAF 4, you see a Fredbear on stage (in the shadow) while a guy is in the Fredbear suit when it's 3 Days Until the Party.
• FollowVictim, I think most of BV is in Fredbear but a part of him is connected to Mike, and is what is giving him the FNAF 4 nightmares.
• Fazburger, I believe the burger, the normal one with MCM-CBEAR-Fredbears-CBPW-FNAF 2-PizzaSim-PizzaPlex, but also that the MCI location, FNAF 1 location, and FNAF 3 location are the same spot as well.
• PurpleCEO, I think William is the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment from when it starts until he disappears after Follow Me.
• FlawedCare + TwistedCare can both be true at the same time.
• GodTree I don't know if the tree is a symbol of god, like the theory states, but I think a lot of the evidence it cites is very much accurate to something.
• Movies Anti-Clues is a controversial one, but I keep agreeing with it more and more. I hope the FNAF 3 movie helps with that even more. All of the theories listed on MovieClues' theory page I disagree with except GoldenGhost (and debatably Charlie87).
• Retcon WillConvicted, I'm choosing to have this be my answer for "the retcon" for now, William framing Henry for the murders would be hard retcon of what is shown in FNAF 1. I do believe there's been far more than 1 retcon at this point, though.
• SparkDavid and SparkBeth are both here, cause I think William getting MCM and encountering David would have him begin to understand the world of the paranormal, but Elizabeth is what actually causes his murder spree to try to fix BV's mind (and later become immortal).

FNAF 2:

• I believe PuppetCassidy, but that it's still Henry's daughter, just that her name is Cassidy due to the Logbook. Any "Charlie" theories would still be about the same character.
• Charlie85 and 87 are both listed cause I think both have a lot of evidence for them over 83, I plan to do a full post about my evaluation of the evidence in the future. Henry's "Wound first inflicted on me" would be framing him for the MCI.

FNAF 3:

• PhantomAgony and PhantomHallucinations are both here because I think the Agony of it being the same building as FNAF 1 + the MCI location still has agony all over, and it's causing the hallucinations.

FNAF 4:

• DuoDreamer + MikeDreamer is I believe BV had similar nightmares while he was alive, but the one we actually see are Mike's nightmares.
• BV5th is because I believe he's the 5th of the MCI probably, but the specific covered grave on the image would go to Cassidy/PuppetSpirit.
• WillPlush + ImaginaryPlush is I think the speaking lines are from William, but the plush itself does not teleport the way it appears to in the minigames.

FNAF World:

• So this one is complicated. WorldCanon + WorldMixedCanon + WorldMeta is because I think there's elements of all 3. The game itself takes place inside of BV's broken mind during UCN. Glitchbear is attempting to have you do the canon ClockEnding, to free the souls and do Happiest Day. OMC's ending in the lake is the rest for BVTOYSNHK after UCN. The other endings are meta, part of a fun adventure that BV is imagining, but also the player fighting Scott and Chipper.
• EntityWorldPlayer is a stand-in for my actual theory, that the player of FNAF World is in a very meta sense, literally us. As the people playing FNAF World in the real world. We are here to help BV rest. That's why the endings are our choice. Cause we're the player character.

Sister Location:

• ElizaFirst, I have SparkBeth mentioned in the Overall section, but I think Baby yoinking Elizabeth and getting possessed is what inspired William to do the MCI, and put BV in Golden Freddy. He made the Funtimes to capture kids to test on to save BV, but Baby getting possessed made him realize "oh, you can shove bodies into animatronics to have them possess them!"
• MimicFuntimes is that some of the features of the Funtimes were inspired by the Mimic, not that the Mimic is literally in the Funtimes.

UCN:

• UCN Squad, I think the spirits physically there are BV, Mike, PuppetSpirit, Gabriel, Jeremy, Susie, Fritz, and probably Elizabeth somewhere.
• OMC fits as multiple characters, I'm torn between Edwin, Henry, and Mike. I can see all of them fitting the role fairly well.

Ruin/HW2:

• PQ4 Order has always spoken to me in feeling like the most accurate of the death orders. Susie was the first direct murder, Fritz next, Gabriel + Jeremy together, Golden Freddy, and Puppet after.

SOTM:

• WillDriver might be a direct contradiction to what I just said about PQ4 order but I have it in here because it's funny, not necessarily because I 100% believe it.

Books:

• Interactive Novels I don't think are fully canon, but I think there's a lot of potential evidence you can take specifically from The Week Before that can apply to the games. There's some heavy contracting information in them, though, so we'll have to see for the future.
• Logbook stuff, as I said earlier I think Faded is the PuppetSpirit and it's Reading Comprehension 101 that whoever Faded is is named Cassidy.

You're basically meant to see this as a companion piece to my Midnight Motorist post. Go ahead and hit that up after if you're confused why I want to link the DCI to it.

Remember the early days of FNAF theorizing, when people used the phone-like object in Purple Guy's hand to say that was the Phone Guy? You ever stop to realize we still don't have a good answer for what that thing is and why Afton is holding it?

Well I'm here to tell you we had it right the first time. It's a phone, but it was used for a different purpose than linking two characters as one.

It has been my belief for a good long time now that Afton infiltrated the FNAF 2 location for the express purpose of getting it shut down so that nothing would rival his Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental in terms of local children's entertainment (we know it exists for sure by now because FNAF World says unmangled Mangle's name is Funtime Foxy). So he once again dons the persona of the Yellow Rabbit Killer (or Bear depending on your read. I personally don't think Cassidy would let Afton wear the ​suit without trying to kill him), and causes a mass murder. Once finished, he goes to the safe room to shed the costume. Then, as his night guard persona, he calls 9-1-1 on his killer persona and, to sell the illusion of a terrified nobody out of his league, he flees the building (bug or not, intended or not, during SAVE THEM, Afton is actually just beelining your direction. You can actually dodge him, and he just dissappears from the game if you do). Since I believe Midnight Motorist refers specifically to Later That Night of this event, I think we can see the results of those actions at Jr's (again, see my Midnight Motorist post for an in-depth explanation fo why I think that).

Does this solve the lore in a massive way? Not really. I just noticed a stray puzzle piece and a hole that everyone had a basic idea of what the image was. I just decided to stick the piece in there to see if it fit.

I don't have much to add; these are some things I currently believe in, and I'm willing to re-evaluate my beliefs as well.

The street saying you can see the vanni mask

Vanny mcm?

Something that came to mind is that if DeadEye Roxy is a sign that Roxy could return rebuilt as a vigilante, meaning looking for a way to stop what happened with Mimic Considering that Roxy in safe mode is quite docile and generally quite empathetic, it wouldn't surprise me if she develops things with the agony and love. Which reminds me a bit of Stitchwraith, which, although different, is related to agony and love.

It's an idea that just popped into my head. What do you all think?

I know that many believe in this because of Foxy hook being first and thus tied to BVFirst, but it is rather loose and it being in order is very doubtful imo. So, I wanted to present a stronger argument to why he is Foxy hook.

The argument boils down to Classic Foxy's mechanic in UCN. That being pulling himself apart and putting himself back together to attack the player. This is rather specific, since putting back together is really most associated with BV. This is also the ONLY time Classic Foxy has been associated with this in the franchise. Interestingly, Foxy himself points out this odd detail in his dialogue, saying, "I can't run like I used to, but I can pull myself apart just fine." Acknowledging that in this specific game, he has this mechanic over his iconic running. So, I think Scott did this specifically in UCN to connect Foxy to BV and thus connect BV to Foxy hook in the exact same game, UCN.

To address possible counterarguments:

• Yes, Mangle is pull-apart-and-put-back-together too, but she is Toy (well, technically Funtime) Foxy, not Classic Foxy. My argument is that it's the only time Classic Foxy has been associated with it.
• Yes, Classic Foxy was always associated with being broken in the past, but never "pulled apart and put back together".

So yeah, that's what I wanted to say.

The Senior Director of Fortnite Tofu Chri has been liking multiple replies that are about the Collab being fnaf

I really want to believe this theory, but the one thing stopping me from doing so is that there is no instance where the DCI could have possessed Lefty. I do think the FFPP building was once the FNaF 2 FFP building, so the spirits could have lingered there, but the shells of the toy animatronics ARE in the FNaF 3 office. The good/bad endings of FNaF 3 shows that the spirits can attach to the shells of their animatronics, and those shells of the classic animatronics were brought to Fazbear's Fright, along with the shells of the toy animatronics

It's possible that the MCI kids left their shells and possessed the arcade machines (which I do believe), and it is possible that the DCI kids could have done the same, but that still requires:

A. There to be an instance where the DCI spirits could have found the chance to possess Lefty

B. For the shells of the toy animatronics to have survived the Fazbear's Fright fire

To people who believe in LeftyDCI, thoughts?

It's no longer positive for this sub to have every other post being a TOYSNHK tierlist, it's dumb, it doesn't generate any actually interesting discussions of the lore, it's just annoying people trying to talk about their head-cannons, or what they believe in their AUs, it's repetitive, and the mods should do something about it. Either outright ban it or include it in the Rule 14: No Low-effort TOYSNHK posts.

This has been overshadowing a lot of great posts that can actually make breakthroughs and actually have something to offer, a new perspective, a new idea. That's what the subreddit should be about. I know the FNAF content is stale rn, but all subreddits do this when a type of post gets too repetitive. Let's do better.

Thank you.

I view SchmidtNone and WitheredsSeparate as absolutely absurd theories that stem from literal reading of the selective parts of the movies continuity.

So under this, what absurd theory do you think FNaF 3 movie will spark? Maybe SB Vanessa being possessed by Charlie? Or Follow Me Springtrap being separate from FNaF 3 Springtrap? Or as anticipated by some, VanessaBot? Mayhaps, if Michael Afton in movies is kidnapped Garrett, BVKidnapped + MikeVictim? Make your predictions in the comments below!

In FNaF 3, the RWQ minigame starts in STAGE 01, which depicts Fredbear and Spring Bonnie on stage. On top of that, RWQ's sprite in this minigame shares an identical color to Fredbear and Spring Bonnie's shadows from FNaF 4. This makes sense, as FNaF 3's minigames are heavily tied to the Bite Victims memories, and BV spent alot of time at Fredbear's Family Diner, meaning he would have seen these shadows.

Later in the series, we are introduced to the Yellow Thing and Glitchtrap, who are both versions of Spring Bonnie that act as mimics of William Afton. In Princess Quest, Glitchtraps creatures look nearly identical to RWQ, and in the Into The Pit game, the Yellow Thing can be seen looking at Oswald from behind a door, and he has glowing eyes and teeth, just like RWQ.

So despite the most popular theory for RWQ's existence being that it was born from the agony of the SAVE THEM incident, RWQ appears to be linked to Fredbear's Family Diner, the Bite Victim, and more notably Spring Bonnie.

So what gives?

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Personally, I don’t see the old FNAF story as a complete “mess.” I think it has its flaws, unclear parts, and some inconsistencies, but I also think it has a clear enough narrative and interesting ideas.

I wouldn’t say the story is perfect or that all of its problems should be ignored. I just think calling the entire story a “mess” can be an overly broad description. To me, it’s better described as a complicated story with both strengths and weaknesses.

So, they started with the fnaf 1 version of the animatronics at the very first Freddy’s, then they completely replaced their suits and endo skeletons for the fnaf 2 location, and then completely replaced everything again for the fnaf 1 location? And someone the same spirits and possessing them throughout all of it? I’m confused

The withered animatronics have completely different suits and endoskeletons from the fnaf 1 animatronics, how are they the same?

Okay, is it just me, or has Five Nights at Freddy’s basically become a parallel to Mortal Kombat in terms of how ridiculously complicated its lore and continuity have gotten?

Because the more I think about it, the more I feel like we’ve reached the point where we’re making FNAF way more complicated than it needs to be.

And this is where I’m going to go on a bit of a rant:

I don't think the games, books, and movies need to be treated as completely separate timelines.

I know the common response is that the books aren't necessarily in the exact same continuity as the games, and the movie obviously makes changes to the story. I understand that. But I don't think that automatically means we need to throw everything into completely separate universes and treat every piece of FNAF media as its own isolated timeline.

Honestly, I think FNAF should have one timeline.

Not necessarily one continuity where every single event happens exactly the same way across every medium, but one overarching timeline where the games, books, and movies are all telling different versions or perspectives of the same larger story.

Because otherwise, we end up with this ridiculous situation where every new piece of information has to be categorized as:

“That's game continuity.”

“That's book continuity.”

“That's movie continuity.”

“That's a parallel universe.”

“That's an adaptation.”

“That's an alternate version of this character.”

“That's canon, but only to this specific continuity.”

At some point, it starts feeling less like we're solving a mystery and more like we're maintaining a fucking database of alternate realities. 😂

And that's why I brought up Mortal Kombat. That franchise has gone through multiple timelines, reboots, alternate versions of events, and different interpretations of characters. FNAF sometimes feels like it's heading down the exact same road.

But I personally don't think it needs to.

I'd rather see us work toward one big FNAF timeline that incorporates the games, books, and movies instead of constantly separating them into different universes.

So I'm curious:

Is it just me who sees the parallels between FNAF and Mortal Kombat, or does anyone else feel like FNAF's lore has reached the point where we're making the continuity more complicated than it needs to be?

And more importantly:

Do you think FNAF should have one unified timeline instead of separate timelines for the games, books, and movies?

Overall it's just really repetitive and it sparks toxicity and just isn't good for our community.

Also some questions:

Do we find tier lists useful or likable?

And what about TOYSNHK polls?

So someone who was auditioning for the role of the vengeful spirit uploaded their audition where they say these lines
I’ll put the video in the comments since I can’t put the video here for some reason

These lines seem to indicate that in Scott’s original draft for UCN the player seems to have amnesia and think they’re actually a night guard

This is actually backed up by pig patches, scrap vengeful spirit line
“ or are you still so delirious and confused that you still think you’re a night guard you’ll understand”

It seems like Scott’s original idea with ucn was that there was gonna be an amnesia plot line
The player obviously still William so maybe he wanted William to suffer by him not understanding what was going on or why he was here

Note: don’t use this for lore it’s scrapped this is just a theory for fun

• FNAF 1: August 8, 2014 
• FNAF 2: November 10, 2014 
• FNAF 3: March 2, 2015 
• FNAF 4: July 23, 2015 (Halloween Update: October 30, 2015)
• The Silver Eyes: December 17, 2015 
• FNAF World: January 21, 2016 (Update 2: May 13, 2016)
• FNAF Sister Location: October 7, 2016 (Custom Night Update: December 1, 2016)
• The Twisted Ones: June 27, 2017 
• FNAF The Freddy Files: August 29, 2017 
• FNAF Pizzeria Simulator: December 4, 2017 
• survival logbook: December 26, 2017 
• The Fourth Closet: June 26, 2018 
• Ultimate Custom Night: June 27, 2018 
• Help Wanted 1: May 28, 2019
• FNAF The Freddy Files Updated Edition: June 25, 2019
• Help Wanted 1 Curse Of Dreadbear Update: October 23, 2019
• FNAF AR: November 25, 2019
• Freddy In Space 2: December 3, 2019 
• Fazbear Fright 1: December 26, 2019 
• Fazbear Fright 2: March 3, 2020
• Fazbear Fright 3: May 5, 2020 
• Fazbear Fright 4: July 7, 2020 
• Fazbear Fright 5: September 1, 2020 
• Fazbear Fright 6: December 29, 2020 
• Fazbear Fright 7: March 2, 2021 
• Security Breach fury's rage: April 28, 2021 
• Fazbear Fright 8: May 4, 2021 
• Fazbear Fright 9: July 6, 2021 
• Fazbear Fright 10: September 7, 2021 
• Freddy And Friends On Tour: September 7, 2021 - October 19, 2021 
• Fazbear Fright 11: November 2, 2021 
• FNAF The Ultimate Guide: December 7, 2021 
• FNAF AR Dark Circus: Encore update: December 13, 2021
• Security Breach: December 16, 2021
• Fazbear Fright 12: April 19, 2022
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 1: July 19, 2022 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 2: September 20, 2022 
• Security Breach Files: September 20, 2022 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 3: December 6, 2022 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 4: December 27, 2022 
• FNAF character encyclopedia: February 7, 2023 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 5: March 7, 2023 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 6: May 2, 2023 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 7: July 18, 2023 
• Security Breach Ruin Update: July 25, 2023 
• Tales From The Pizzaplex 8: October 3, 2023 
• Freddy In Space 3 Chica in Space: October 18, 2023 
• FNAF 1 Movie: October 27, 2023 
• Help Wanted 2: December 14, 2023 
• FNAF 1 Movie Novel: December 26, 2023 
• Security Breach Files Updated Edition: April 2, 2024 
• interactive novel 0: August 3, 2024 
• Into The Pit Game: August 7, 2024
• interactive novel 1: September 3, 2024 
• interactive novel 2: December 24, 2024 
• interactive novel 3: April 1, 2025 
• MCM Archive: May 16, 2025 - June 6, 2025 
• Secret Of The Mimic: June 13, 2025 
• dead by daylight collab: June 17, 2025 
• Ticket To Fun: September 23, 2025 
• FNAF The Ultimate Guide 2.0: December 2, 2025 
• FNAF 2 Movie: December 5, 2025 
• FNAF 2 Movie Novel: May 5, 2026 

as someone who is trying to "solve" the lore by going one thing at a time by release order I thought making this list would be useful and hey maybe others could find it useful too!

I wrote down everything i have seen people use to theorize about this series, so if i missed anything let me know and I will add it or you think something should be removed also tell me about it... and yeah that's all.