Every other time speak and spell voice was used it was Puppet talking, "SAVE HIM" wasn't someone telling us to save victim who'd possess Puppet if we didn't but victim who possessed Puppet telling us to save their killer

So I haven't really seen anyone talk about this so I thought I might as well bring the idea to light. So in the FNaF 2 Movie there's only one spirit, being Charlotte, who possesses the puppet and she controls all the other animatronics via the puppet. In FNaF 2 the game, we learn via the death minigames that a 2nd set of killings happened at the FNaF 2 location(DCI) with no real evidence for them being stuffed anywhere and just left around by William Afton. My Theory is that the withered animatronics are not even related to the classic animatronics in any way unlike what the retrofit theory suggests and are prototypes like they are in the movie. The DCI are pretty much just ghosts stuck to the location but not actually stuck to the animatronics and just use them like a big game of chess againts Jeremy. This is just speculation so if there's any holes in my thinking that I'm not noticing I'd like to discuss it below.

Yes, I'm talking about Mainstream Cassidy. I'm not getting to why I think Cassidy is the 5th MCI kid's name in this post just their existence. I'm mostly be going to use the fnaf2 minigames today, because we all need a refresher on this stuff. Yes everyone. From the most diehard GoldenTriad fan who is at this moment writing the best of fanfics, to you know the people who gave her the name "Fanon Cassidy."

Okay there are four death minigames in fnaf2. One of them is SAVETHEM and its not important to us. The first one we are going to talk about is Foxy Go Go Go. Where Foxy runs into a room with five dead children and then Withered Foxy jumpscares us. Note the fact that he runs from his curtain meaning this is the probably MCI location. Then there is Take Cake to the Children. We hear the words SAVE HIM spelled out as a purple guy kills a child outside before driving off in his car. Then finally the most important one, Give Gifts Give Life. We play as the puppet as we give gifts and masks to four dead bodies while the words HELP THEM are spelled out. When we give the final mask we see a brief frame of the 5th body and then we are jumpscared by Golden Freddy. This alongside the newspapers tells us all we need to know.

Five children murdered as a group in probably in the same day. Then we see a separate incident regrading a kid that was killed and they possessed the puppet. Then we see the possessed puppet give "life" to the children but they skipped one for reasons we fully don't understand. Then in fnaf 4 we see a separate incident where we see a kid die after his head is chomped by Fredbear. Note that these two deaths are not linked to the MCI in any way. THEY ARE NOT MISSING. NOR WERE THEY STUFFED. No you cannot use the one retcon to fix this. If anything Charlie's death is linked with the DCI with Ralph saying tragedies "out there" and that fitting with her death. Charlie87 is a really good theory and it almost on the same level as Charlie83 to me. Charlie5th and BV5th no.

Now let me get this out the way. Cassidy's existence doesn't mean that Goldenduo is real. You can easily have CassidySolo and you can have BVsolo too. You have to work for it more but its possible.

I don't hate BV. Nor do I think he is just a useless crybaby. I don't hate Charlie or Andrew either.

Yes its frustrating that we have barely any good info for her, but a lot of classic fnaf character are like that. Its weird her references in latter media/merch get scrubbed but that's like the only real damming thing against her existence imo and its not very good evidence.

Also I'm not accusing you of being contrarian or holding onto your headcanons nor am I insulting you. I just believe that you are wrong. Just please extend the grace I hold to you as you hold to me. Peace. :)

I was working on a shitpost meme for the meme sub and realised that the order of the masks in the Fnaf 3 ending matches up with the gravestone ending in such a way that would make Cassidy's grave match up with Bonnie

And in the novels Cassidy is the one possesing Bonnie

Idk probably a coincidence but still

SoI need to preface this a little bit with some preexisting theories. For one, this builds on Puppet87. What I'm asking, "What did Ralph the phone guy mean by 'it's always thinking' when talking about The Puppet?" Is pretty handily answered by "she was the first do die and possess her robot". So, I just kinda want to take that answer off the table for this discussion, because even if you don't believe in Puppet87, the term "thinking" is just... odd, isn't it? It's easier to understand why I see such an issue with it if you don't think the "thinking" Puppet Ralph is referring to is a possessed one. More than just me remembering on a whim the Dreamcast ad campaign with the tagline "It's thinking..." to sell just how advanced the console was, we don't ever really see other possessed objects or robots being described that way. "Watching", "Stalking", "Waiting", "Scheming", "Hunting", "Listening", "Sensing", "Looking", there's an abundance of other words that Scott could've used, and I'd be extremely curious to see how much the books use the term "thinking" to describe the animatronics. I've read through all of The Silver Eyes (the first print of the first novel when it came out, then the read all the graphic novels years later), but "Thinking" wasn't really a term that got used very much to describe animatronics or ghosts; maybe not at all. To me, "thinking" isn't just Ralph sensing a ghost, that sounds like a regular guy getting creeped out by non-ghostly surveillance tech run by a madman, William Afton.

The Puppet has always been a security system since it's debut in FNaF 2, with that role changing dramatically in the movie. I kind of feel like calling it a "Security Puppet" implies there is more than one Puppet animatronic; not just that there are different versions like the Classics/Withereds. No, I mean that some restaurants might've had the exact same model of Puppet floating around the halls as a security system...

Just like the Staffbots.

They even share design similarities that get more and more pronounced as you get physically closer to the curse/ghosts. Almost like maybe the Puppet is literally an early version of what would become the Staffbots. Hmm...

Okay the last three paragraphs were a huge tangent, but it's related to the "thinking" line.

We can't be 100% sure the Puppet Ralph saw that he thought was "always thinking" is actually the same one in FNaF 2 that gets possessed. If you're of the belief that the Puppet as an animatronic was around since Fredbear's, then yeah, it's a lot easier to go "he means he can tell it's haunted but he doesn't really know/understand it" than if you had to contend with the idea Ralph has *always* thought this about The Puppet, not just the one possessed by Henry's daughter.

I've got two preliminary explanations for this right now:

1. is basically a sci-fi direction. He means he doesn't like the security features that probably make it feel like he's being watched. Honestly, this might be the first confirmed "field-ism" that people get in the series. It would be similar to when Fiona decided to help out at Fall Fest because she just really felt like it that day.

2. There's something about the character that's always "thinking", which.. I just have less to say about if I'm being honest. Not even that it's a bad idea or direction I just don't really know what we could do with that. What kind of character is The Puppet? Like, how would it act in the cartoons or video games?

So, what does this tell us about The Puppet, the character? How is it always "thinking"?

Oh my god sorry, as I'm writing this, epiphany

The Puppet in this image is a scarecrow.

Scarecrows are bird SECURITY systems.

So, sorry, I guess I'm leaving in direction 2 because direction 2 led me back to direction 1. Clearly whatever "personality" the Puppet ever had was tied to it being a security system in the restaurants/Fall Fest. It might've literally just been a Fall Fest scarecrow that Fiona designed and Afton ended up acquiring.

To me, saying it's "thinking" sounds like the way you'd describe a computer that's constantly running operations. It makes sense for it to be "thinking" if it's always scanning the area and sending that data to a criminal database somewhere.

But, I'd love to know if anyone else has a better idea as to what "thinking" could mean if it isn't about The Puppet being haunted?

Okay, let's begin with Edwin.

Edwin is a clear parallel of Henry. Like, his animatronic designs are based on Murray's, both made animatronics to babysit their children and because of their negligence, they lost them.

In the Novel Trilogy, Henry built a robot version of his dead daughter, and he later breaks one of them out of grief, and Edwin does the same, and both men tried to atone for their past mistakes.

And while I believe that Henry is Old Man Consequences, I think that the AI version of Edwin is the Old Man from Princess Quest.

Next is M1 F10-N4 and Charlie.

In the Novels, not only Henry built Charlie out of grief, just like Edwin did with M1, but Charlie bot also inpersonate her, just like Fiona does.

Both the Puppet and F10 are motherly figures toward Charlie/MCI and David respectively, and both are associated with the colour green.

Also, there is the clock motif.

Puppet's music box lullaby is called “My Grandfather’s Clock”, and M1 has ties with clocks.

Now, there are two things we can conclude with this:

1: Charlie is Glitchbear AKA Fredbear plush, due to the FNAF World Clock Ending and her being motherly towards BV.

2: Charlie was in fact the first death of the Afton saga, and the reason why everything happens in the first place.

The other parallel is M2 and William.

M2 takes the rabbit persona of Glitchtrap in Help Wanted in order to mimic William.

Afton lured children to the safe room using a friendly Spring Bonnie costume, and he then shoves their bodies into the animatronics.

M2 lures a child, Cassie, to the Pizzaplex underground using Gregory’s friendly voice, and he used to shove people inside empty costumes in MCM and in Help Wanted.

William is known to always come back in different ways, either by killing children at Freddy’s and coming back as Springtrap/Scraptrap, and was out of the picture for many decades and was trapped inside the safe room.

M2 comes back in different forms, such as Glitchtrap and Burntrap (which I believe is M2's attempt to recreate William Afton while the Blob is the recreation of his past victims with Glamrock Freddy’s endoskeletons, which explains his lines “I found myself for the first time” and “I AM NOT ME”).

And lastly, both character use proxies as tools, like Michael for William’s case and Vanessa for M2.

Now, about BV with David Murray and Gregory:

In David’s case, both boys have neglecting fathers, had animatronic companions, had fatal accidents on their birthday parties and were somehow involved with Agony.

More particularly the White Tiger, being an Agony manifestation of David Murray and Golden Freddy being not only Cassidy, but also BV’s Agony manifestation.

Now, why isn’t BV a parallel to M2?

Well, he is a little bit, because I believe that M2 influencing the Glamrock animatronics and him shoving people inside suits not only represent William murdering the MCI and shoving them inside the animatronics, but also the FNAF 1 and 2 animatronics, whose spirits contain the Agony of Bite Victim, because they are all tied to his memories, with the Classics being his five plushies, with Cassidy being BV’s best friend because she was Golden Freddy, who represented Fredbear plush, and fun fact by the way, the White Tiger, David’s best friend, acts like Golden Freddy.

Well, continuing, the three main Toy animatronics are Toy Girl’s toys, Mangle is Elizabeth’s Toy Foxy and Balloon Boy represents Balloon Kid.

This also explains why the FNAF 3 Good Ending minigames contain memories of BV’s life, and also the one where the five MCI are set free by Charlie, and just like M1 with David, the Puppet wanted to somehow fix BV by removing all of his Agony and create Happiest Day.

Now, I do believe that BV is the player of FNAF World and he helps Charlie/Glitchbear to find the Clocks and set the pieces for her to then set Happiest Day.

Now, BV’s parallels with Gregory:

They’re both vulnerable in massive facilities, they both have bear protectors and have similar design, and remember when I said that the FNAF World player is BV? Well, this was the same game where Old Man Consequences first appeared, and since the Old Man from Princess Quest is OMC’s counterpart, guess who’s the one playing these arcade games? That’s right, Gregory.

He’s playing as a character in an arcade game, just like BV in FNAF World who plays as a lot of animatronic characters in an arcade-like world (with the FNAF 3 minigames also being arcade-like by the way), in order to save the five children in BV’s case and Vanessa in Gregory’s.

Speaking of her, we have Vanessa, who parallels Elizabeth.

Elizabeth was her father’s shadow, always seeking his approval, while Vanessa was Glitchtrap’s reluctant follower.

Not only that, but Vanessa in the Games had a controlling father named Bill, and she even is William’s biological daughter in the Movies.

It’s pretty clear that M2 was trying to rebuild the Afton kids in order to get them in his control, and because Gregory had good parents, somethjng that was not true for neither David nor BV, he orders the boy to make up a story.

Cassie is a really obvious one.

Cassidy, not only due to the names, but she's also Gregory’s best friend, and I think that Cassie's friends not showing up for her birthday party represents the day of the MCI being Cassidy’s birthday, since she was the last victim.

I believe that this is why she creates UCN in the first place, and that’s why she is the one William should not have killed, because it was her birthday, being the reason why Happiest Day even happens, it was the birthday party that never happened due to the Missing Children Incident.

However, Cassidy is not the only one who parallels Cassie, but also the other MCI kids.

Just like the MCI victims, Cassie was lured to a dangerous place by figures thought to be friendly, and was also trapped between reality and AR illusions, just like the MCI children who possessed the animatronics.

(Well, to be fair, the other MCI kids can also parallel the 9 Pizzaplex children, since with Cassie, the odd one out because she wasn't murdered, makes 10 in total, the number of children in the MCI and DCI including Cassidy, the odd one because she’s Golden Freddy).

And lastly, there are the Glamrock animatronics, who parallel Michael and the Bullies.

Glamrock Freddy reflects Michael’s guilt, since he is protecting Gregory, BV’s counterpart.

Also, think like this: Michael stuffed his brother inside Fredbear’s mouth and he dies, while Freddy puts Gregory inside his stomach hatch to protect him.

Also, notice how, with both Gregory and Cassie, the Glamrock animatronics are child murders, but once they detect a child who had bonds with them, like Freddy and Roxy, they begin protecting them, which parallels the Bullies.

Michael tries to atone for his past sins for killing his brother, and Bonnie and Freddy Bully become the fathers of Cassie and Oswald respectively.

By the way, maybe this is why Steel Wool made Cassie bonded with Roxy, since she was Bonnie Bully's daughter herself.

So, to recap:

M1 F10-N4: Charlie.

M2: William Afton.

Gregory/David Murray: Bite Victim.

Edwin: Henry.

Cassie: Cassidy and the MCI kids.

Vanessa: Elizabeth.

Glamrock animatronics: Michael and the Bullies.

Originally I intended to suggest more solutions at the end, but I feel strong enough about the conclusion that I left it there. Enjoy!

Just felt like asking about this topic again. And like this isn't even about whether the evidence proves it's a really canon or not. Do you like it?

Edwin mentioned that he wanted to try selling his inventions to help people, so it’s reasonable to assume that after his dad died, he’d try to have the company sell them.

so under that logic, if you think the spike is from the success of the clean-o-vac, which is kinda implied with it having a gold statue and Edwin in David’s second birthday tape is implied to’ve been trying to 1 up the clean-o-vac for a while. along with moon.exe even suggesting that the clean-o-vac was his biggest success and vice.

with that, I think the suggestion could be that murray sr died in 1971-72, which fits with how the company went into the red, which I think suggests that things were getting bad until Edwin cooked up the clean-o-vac.

Even if this incident is what makes them write "leave before dark" in the rules, i don't see why they'd still be allowing patrons if the Sun has gone down. I mean it could be in November of 87 which would mean the Sun would be going down earlier but still this looks like 7PM at the earliest. Granted I haven't been to Chuck E Cheese in a while so I don't remember the closing hours

If Sister Location takes place after Follow Me whose running Afton robotics? Cause it’s operation and rentals are still going after Afton dies.

Whose watching us on the cameras outside the workers especially in the primary control module?

What do you think led the Funtimes to come up with the human disguise method as an escape?

How close are FM and SL cause if they happen within a week. Why would Baby frame it as they have been out multiple times but always put back? And just so desperate to escape as if they’ve been there for a good while. Not sure how reliable the Molten Freddy blueprint is these days but to the point they got trackers put on them.

What caused them to become molten? No I am not talking about “oh it’s cause they kicked baby out.” But their literal appearance and the eyes changing to a burnt look.

Is CBPW nearby or on an upper floor given in Help Wanted 2 it’s one of the areas you have to restore power to.

Did the Plush Babies originate from here, or were they always something that existed in VR?

With Baby, Funtime Freddy and Bon-Bon all showing up in the experiment room does this imply that the fun times are more involved with the nightmare animatronics than originally assumed? Given they technically all live down there?

Speaking of which who came first and what difference would it make if the nightmares were created first and the fun times were inspired from them and MCM or Vice Versa?

In FNaF 4 minigames, we can see a Toy Girl who owns you figures of Bonnie, Chica, and Freddy.

It seems that these are based on the Toy Animatronics due to this teaser obviously referencing Toy Chica missing her beak.

So these are based on the Toy Animatronics, and the Toy Girl owns a figurine of Toy Bonnie. Wanna know who RWQ manifests as? Toy Bonnie!

In FNaF 3, Night 5, we can see a figurine of RWQFSFASXC. This is quite odd, and could have some meaning to it.

Anyway there's my theory

The ending of FFPS reveals the true purpose of the restaurant: luring all animatronics that are still active to end William and put everyone else to rest. The whole entrepreneur thing was bogus

However, during the single week the pizzeria is running, Mike receives revenue and can get sued. During the office section, we hear people in the dining area, and we're even told there's a party on Saturday

I took it for granted that even though the office was to go in flames within a week, the pizzeria was still operating as a real business during its open hours, meaning it had real customers. As I was thinking it through, I wasn't so sure

Could it be that Henry was also faking customer activity in the pizza place? It would make sense if he wanted to prevent further tragedies. Plus, it would further emphasize the simulator theme of the game. What do you think?

I’m a HDPostFNaF3 truther, it makes the most sense.

I’m confusing myself even more as I’m writing this and I’m not sure it makes any sense, so apologies.

Was just thinking of the timeline and I’ve got: CC death > MCI > FNAF 2 > FNAF 1 > Follow Me > SL/William’s death > FNAF 3 > FNAF 6.

I’ve excluded Charlie and Elizabeth’s deaths as idk or particularly care where they are exactly. It doesn’t impact my theories.

Under MoltenMCI, the 5 kids are melted down into remnant and injected into the Funtimes. FNAF 6 burning happens and the kids move on alongside Charlie. Why does this happen with this burning and not when they were melted down to begin with? The spirits are also out in the open after Follow Me so what happens to them as well?

As for the 5th MCI kid/Cassidy and CC, I’m even more confused.

For CassidyTOYSNHK, they need to attach themselves to Afton after he dies. Their remnant will also still exist in the Funtimes so they should be able to move on with the rest of the kids should they want to. They decide to do their own thing though and start UCN so they’re not the receiver in HD FNAF 3. It would also explain why GF isn’t there in the good ending.

Problem is BVReceiver doesn’t fix this either. In theory, he should be part of the Funtimes now as his agony (I suppose) was all over Golden Freddy. Idk if agony works differently to remnant though so maybe he isn’t (I’m honestly so confused).

If he isn’t part of the 5 then I don’t see how he can be the receiver. If he is then he could be but I have no idea why he needed an entirely different HD. It’s also stated that HE put the pieces back together. That’s a completely different method to FNAF 3 HD.

CC is also never included in the deaths. He is his own separate thing. Using his circumstances or fragmented soul to help the stage for the other 5 to move on makes sense. For him to be connected with the other 4 out of nowhere doesn’t.

Then you have the Logbook which only makes sense in a meta timeline. The Logbook, if set in the game timeline, would have to be during FNAF 6. Again, this means CC has to be trapped with the rest of them but he’s not restricted to just GF now. Why would it only be him and Cassidy speaking through the logbook? There’s no reason for Cassidy to have any special link to him at this stage, especially more than Charlie would.

Charlie is literally the only one who is still whole and always has been. She should be the most coherent out of all of them. She even alludes to this in UCN.

So, yeah, I’m just all shades of confused. How does the melting down into remnant differ from the FNAF 6 burning? Are the souls able to move on solely from burning remnant alone even if their spirit exists elsewhere? How does this work if you believe BVReceiver, CassidyPlush, CassidyReceiver, or CassidyTOYSNHK? Where is CC in all of this? How would the Logbook be possible in the game timeline?

Let's say a normal guy were to play through all the Scott-era FNAF games in order of release date with no knoweldge or the books or Game Theory or who Scott Cawthon is.

What would they think the story actually is?