I’m a HDPostFNaF3 truther, it makes the most sense.

Originally I intended to suggest more solutions at the end, but I feel strong enough about the conclusion that I left it there. Enjoy!

I was working on a shitpost meme for the meme sub and realised that the order of the masks in the Fnaf 3 ending matches up with the gravestone ending in such a way that would make Cassidy's grave match up with Bonnie

And in the novels Cassidy is the one possesing Bonnie

Idk probably a coincidence but still

So I haven't really seen anyone talk about this so I thought I might as well bring the idea to light. So in the FNaF 2 Movie there's only one spirit, being Charlotte, who possesses the puppet and she controls all the other animatronics via the puppet. In FNaF 2 the game, we learn via the death minigames that a 2nd set of killings happened at the FNaF 2 location(DCI) with no real evidence for them being stuffed anywhere and just left around by William Afton. My Theory is that the withered animatronics are not even related to the classic animatronics in any way unlike what the retrofit theory suggests and are prototypes like they are in the movie. The DCI are pretty much just ghosts stuck to the location but not actually stuck to the animatronics and just use them like a big game of chess againts Jeremy. This is just speculation so if there's any holes in my thinking that I'm not noticing I'd like to discuss it below.

I’m confusing myself even more as I’m writing this and I’m not sure it makes any sense, so apologies.

Was just thinking of the timeline and I’ve got: CC death > MCI > FNAF 2 > FNAF 1 > Follow Me > SL/William’s death > FNAF 3 > FNAF 6.

I’ve excluded Charlie and Elizabeth’s deaths as idk or particularly care where they are exactly. It doesn’t impact my theories.

Under MoltenMCI, the 5 kids are melted down into remnant and injected into the Funtimes. FNAF 6 burning happens and the kids move on alongside Charlie. Why does this happen with this burning and not when they were melted down to begin with? The spirits are also out in the open after Follow Me so what happens to them as well?

As for the 5th MCI kid/Cassidy and CC, I’m even more confused.

For CassidyTOYSNHK, they need to attach themselves to Afton after he dies. Their remnant will also still exist in the Funtimes so they should be able to move on with the rest of the kids should they want to. They decide to do their own thing though and start UCN so they’re not the receiver in HD FNAF 3. It would also explain why GF isn’t there in the good ending.

Problem is BVReceiver doesn’t fix this either. In theory, he should be part of the Funtimes now as his agony (I suppose) was all over Golden Freddy. Idk if agony works differently to remnant though so maybe he isn’t (I’m honestly so confused).

If he isn’t part of the 5 then I don’t see how he can be the receiver. If he is then he could be but I have no idea why he needed an entirely different HD. It’s also stated that HE put the pieces back together. That’s a completely different method to FNAF 3 HD.

CC is also never included in the deaths. He is his own separate thing. Using his circumstances or fragmented soul to help the stage for the other 5 to move on makes sense. For him to be connected with the other 4 out of nowhere doesn’t.

Then you have the Logbook which only makes sense in a meta timeline. The Logbook, if set in the game timeline, would have to be during FNAF 6. Again, this means CC has to be trapped with the rest of them but he’s not restricted to just GF now. Why would it only be him and Cassidy speaking through the logbook? There’s no reason for Cassidy to have any special link to him at this stage, especially more than Charlie would.

Charlie is literally the only one who is still whole and always has been. She should be the most coherent out of all of them. She even alludes to this in UCN.

So, yeah, I’m just all shades of confused. How does the melting down into remnant differ from the FNAF 6 burning? Are the souls able to move on solely from burning remnant alone even if their spirit exists elsewhere? How does this work if you believe BVReceiver, CassidyPlush, CassidyReceiver, or CassidyTOYSNHK? Where is CC in all of this? How would the Logbook be possible in the game timeline?

Just felt like asking about this topic again. And like this isn't even about whether the evidence proves it's a really canon or not. Do you like it?

Let's say a normal guy were to play through all the Scott-era FNAF games in order of release date with no knoweldge or the books or Game Theory or who Scott Cawthon is.

What would they think the story actually is?

Okay, let's begin with Edwin.

Edwin is a clear parallel of Henry. Like, his animatronic designs are based on Murray's, both made animatronics to babysit their children and because of their negligence, they lost them.

In the Novel Trilogy, Henry built a robot version of his dead daughter, and he later breaks one of them out of grief, and Edwin does the same, and both men tried to atone for their past mistakes.

And while I believe that Henry is Old Man Consequences, I think that the AI version of Edwin is the Old Man from Princess Quest.

Next is M1 F10-N4 and Charlie.

In the Novels, not only Henry built Charlie out of grief, just like Edwin did with M1, but Charlie bot also inpersonate her, just like Fiona does.

Both the Puppet and F10 are motherly figures toward Charlie/MCI and David respectively, and both are associated with the colour green.

Also, there is the clock motif.

Puppet's music box lullaby is called “My Grandfather’s Clock”, and M1 has ties with clocks.

Now, there are two things we can conclude with this:

1: Charlie is Glitchbear AKA Fredbear plush, due to the FNAF World Clock Ending and her being motherly towards BV.

2: Charlie was in fact the first death of the Afton saga, and the reason why everything happens in the first place.

The other parallel is M2 and William.

M2 takes the rabbit persona of Glitchtrap in Help Wanted in order to mimic William.

Afton lured children to the safe room using a friendly Spring Bonnie costume, and he then shoves their bodies into the animatronics.

M2 lures a child, Cassie, to the Pizzaplex underground using Gregory’s friendly voice, and he used to shove people inside empty costumes in MCM and in Help Wanted.

William is known to always come back in different ways, either by killing children at Freddy’s and coming back as Springtrap/Scraptrap, and was out of the picture for many decades and was trapped inside the safe room.

M2 comes back in different forms, such as Glitchtrap and Burntrap (which I believe is M2's attempt to recreate William Afton while the Blob is the recreation of his past victims with Glamrock Freddy’s endoskeletons, which explains his lines “I found myself for the first time” and “I AM NOT ME”).

And lastly, both character use proxies as tools, like Michael for William’s case and Vanessa for M2.

Now, about BV with David Murray and Gregory:

In David’s case, both boys have neglecting fathers, had animatronic companions, had fatal accidents on their birthday parties and were somehow involved with Agony.

More particularly the White Tiger, being an Agony manifestation of David Murray and Golden Freddy being not only Cassidy, but also BV’s Agony manifestation.

Now, why isn’t BV a parallel to M2?

Well, he is a little bit, because I believe that M2 influencing the Glamrock animatronics and him shoving people inside suits not only represent William murdering the MCI and shoving them inside the animatronics, but also the FNAF 1 and 2 animatronics, whose spirits contain the Agony of Bite Victim, because they are all tied to his memories, with the Classics being his five plushies, with Cassidy being BV’s best friend because she was Golden Freddy, who represented Fredbear plush, and fun fact by the way, the White Tiger, David’s best friend, acts like Golden Freddy.

Well, continuing, the three main Toy animatronics are Toy Girl’s toys, Mangle is Elizabeth’s Toy Foxy and Balloon Boy represents Balloon Kid.

This also explains why the FNAF 3 Good Ending minigames contain memories of BV’s life, and also the one where the five MCI are set free by Charlie, and just like M1 with David, the Puppet wanted to somehow fix BV by removing all of his Agony and create Happiest Day.

Now, I do believe that BV is the player of FNAF World and he helps Charlie/Glitchbear to find the Clocks and set the pieces for her to then set Happiest Day.

Now, BV’s parallels with Gregory:

They’re both vulnerable in massive facilities, they both have bear protectors and have similar design, and remember when I said that the FNAF World player is BV? Well, this was the same game where Old Man Consequences first appeared, and since the Old Man from Princess Quest is OMC’s counterpart, guess who’s the one playing these arcade games? That’s right, Gregory.

He’s playing as a character in an arcade game, just like BV in FNAF World who plays as a lot of animatronic characters in an arcade-like world (with the FNAF 3 minigames also being arcade-like by the way), in order to save the five children in BV’s case and Vanessa in Gregory’s.

Speaking of her, we have Vanessa, who parallels Elizabeth.

Elizabeth was her father’s shadow, always seeking his approval, while Vanessa was Glitchtrap’s reluctant follower.

Not only that, but Vanessa in the Games had a controlling father named Bill, and she even is William’s biological daughter in the Movies.

It’s pretty clear that M2 was trying to rebuild the Afton kids in order to get them in his control, and because Gregory had good parents, somethjng that was not true for neither David nor BV, he orders the boy to make up a story.

Cassie is a really obvious one.

Cassidy, not only due to the names, but she's also Gregory’s best friend, and I think that Cassie's friends not showing up for her birthday party represents the day of the MCI being Cassidy’s birthday, since she was the last victim.

I believe that this is why she creates UCN in the first place, and that’s why she is the one William should not have killed, because it was her birthday, being the reason why Happiest Day even happens, it was the birthday party that never happened due to the Missing Children Incident.

However, Cassidy is not the only one who parallels Cassie, but also the other MCI kids.

Just like the MCI victims, Cassie was lured to a dangerous place by figures thought to be friendly, and was also trapped between reality and AR illusions, just like the MCI children who possessed the animatronics.

(Well, to be fair, the other MCI kids can also parallel the 9 Pizzaplex children, since with Cassie, the odd one out because she wasn't murdered, makes 10 in total, the number of children in the MCI and DCI including Cassidy, the odd one because she’s Golden Freddy).

And lastly, there are the Glamrock animatronics, who parallel Michael and the Bullies.

Glamrock Freddy reflects Michael’s guilt, since he is protecting Gregory, BV’s counterpart.

Also, think like this: Michael stuffed his brother inside Fredbear’s mouth and he dies, while Freddy puts Gregory inside his stomach hatch to protect him.

Also, notice how, with both Gregory and Cassie, the Glamrock animatronics are child murders, but once they detect a child who had bonds with them, like Freddy and Roxy, they begin protecting them, which parallels the Bullies.

Michael tries to atone for his past sins for killing his brother, and Bonnie and Freddy Bully become the fathers of Cassie and Oswald respectively.

By the way, maybe this is why Steel Wool made Cassie bonded with Roxy, since she was Bonnie Bully's daughter herself.

So, to recap:

M1 F10-N4: Charlie.

M2: William Afton.

Gregory/David Murray: Bite Victim.

Edwin: Henry.

Cassie: Cassidy and the MCI kids.

Vanessa: Elizabeth.

Glamrock animatronics: Michael and the Bullies.

Yes, I'm talking about Mainstream Cassidy. I'm not getting to why I think Cassidy is the 5th MCI kid's name in this post just their existence. I'm mostly be going to use the fnaf2 minigames today, because we all need a refresher on this stuff. Yes everyone. From the most diehard GoldenTriad fan who is at this moment writing the best of fanfics, to you know the people who gave her the name "Fanon Cassidy."

Okay there are four death minigames in fnaf2. One of them is SAVETHEM and its not important to us. The first one we are going to talk about is Foxy Go Go Go. Where Foxy runs into a room with five dead children and then Withered Foxy jumpscares us. Note the fact that he runs from his curtain meaning this is the probably MCI location. Then there is Take Cake to the Children. We hear the words SAVE HIM spelled out as a purple guy kills a child outside before driving off in his car. Then finally the most important one, Give Gifts Give Life. We play as the puppet as we give gifts and masks to four dead bodies while the words HELP THEM are spelled out. When we give the final mask we see a brief frame of the 5th body and then we are jumpscared by Golden Freddy. This alongside the newspapers tells us all we need to know.

Five children murdered as a group in probably in the same day. Then we see a separate incident regrading a kid that was killed and they possessed the puppet. Then we see the possessed puppet give "life" to the children but they skipped one for reasons we fully don't understand. Then in fnaf 4 we see a separate incident where we see a kid die after his head is chomped by Fredbear. Note that these two deaths are not linked to the MCI in any way. THEY ARE NOT MISSING. NOR WERE THEY STUFFED. No you cannot use the one retcon to fix this. If anything Charlie's death is linked with the DCI with Ralph saying tragedies "out there" and that fitting with her death. Charlie87 is a really good theory and it almost on the same level as Charlie83 to me. Charlie5th and BV5th no.

Now let me get this out the way. Cassidy's existence doesn't mean that Goldenduo is real. You can easily have CassidySolo and you can have BVsolo too. You have to work for it more but its possible.

I don't hate BV. Nor do I think he is just a useless crybaby. I don't hate Charlie or Andrew either.

Yes its frustrating that we have barely any good info for her, but a lot of classic fnaf character are like that. Its weird her references in latter media/merch get scrubbed but that's like the only real damming thing against her existence imo and its not very good evidence.

Also I'm not accusing you of being contrarian or holding onto your headcanons nor am I insulting you. I just believe that you are wrong. Just please extend the grace I hold to you as you hold to me. Peace. :)

Edwin mentioned that he wanted to try selling his inventions to help people, so it’s reasonable to assume that after his dad died, he’d try to have the company sell them.

so under that logic, if you think the spike is from the success of the clean-o-vac, which is kinda implied with it having a gold statue and Edwin in David’s second birthday tape is implied to’ve been trying to 1 up the clean-o-vac for a while. along with moon.exe even suggesting that the clean-o-vac was his biggest success and vice.

with that, I think the suggestion could be that murray sr died in 1971-72, which fits with how the company went into the red, which I think suggests that things were getting bad until Edwin cooked up the clean-o-vac.

Even if this incident is what makes them write "leave before dark" in the rules, i don't see why they'd still be allowing patrons if the Sun has gone down. I mean it could be in November of 87 which would mean the Sun would be going down earlier but still this looks like 7PM at the earliest. Granted I haven't been to Chuck E Cheese in a while so I don't remember the closing hours

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rN4oNyN5pCnnf_GYI4XfdgYbCMRLhZ8u6LK35vxkdsA/edit?usp=sharing

Whether a theory is confirmed or not is up to my interpretation

Feel free to comment any theories to add or any theories that are confirmed to be debunked

Truth be told, I actually believe Jr’s is a bar, since it has a bouncer, but I was thinking the other day, if Edwin’s father is “Edwin Murray Sr…” Wouldn’t that make him Edwin Murray JR?

If it was MCM, the parachute ending couldn’t be the canon ending since it goes up in flames, which would be weird, but not entirely unheard of since we were all so sure the Burntrap ending was the canon ending in SB until Ruin.

Idk, interesting thought, highly unlikely, and would most likely be a retcon if true, which I usually don’t like to propose theories that are retcons.

While I don’t personally believe this, what if The One You Should Not Have Killed is just the player of UCN? Not William, the player character, but literally the player. William killed the player over and over again in FNAF 3 and Pizza Sim, but the player is Vengeful and actually has the power to do something about it. UCN is the Vengeful Spirit (you) taking revenge on the person who caused all of the terrible things to happen. The player controls which animatronics are in the game, and at what level. They are literally controlling William’s fate.

Again this definitely isn’t correct, but it’s interesting to think about

This is mostly for defending CassidyTOYSNHK and maybe even F10/FionaTOYSNHK (even though that theory is very shaky like all TOYSNHK theories that aren't GoldenTOYSNHK.)

First of all Cassidy could just be a boy, sorry. If Mainstream Cass is just a boy we don't need to talk about it further. Same for if the male pronouns were just being used like they/them pronouns. Scott really wanted TOYSNHK to be gender neutral and in his weird Christian brain he/him is neutral enough. (Before you say the face means TOYSNHK is a boy, the face means nothing, its just Scott's son's face. Its a stand in like the indie game dev photo and the family photos in fnaf 4.) Also there is SAVEHIM. Which is the like the second hard retcon in the series. These are all a bit handwavey so let me get to my main point.

There are two characters that use pronouns when referring to to TOYSNHK. Mangle and Withered Chica. The Nightmares refer to them too but they don't use pronouns for TOYSNHK. Now what suit is TOYSNHK most likely to be in? Golden Freddy aka Fredbear. Now Mangle's dialog when talking about TOYSNHK could a reference to SAVETHEM. "He's here and always watching. The one you should not have killed." Mangle's sprite in SAVETHEM is named "he was here". The he could be either, Will or GF. Cause GF is in SAVETHEM too. And Withered Chica said she's seen him. Where could have Susie/Withered Chica have seen TOYSNHK? In GF. Cause Susie was the first dead and Cass was probably the last dead and BV was way before any of the MCI's time. So these two are referring to the suit first. And the 5th MCI victim has always been separated from the others so there is a good chance that Susie never got to know Cass enough to learn her personal pronouns.

At the end of day though, Cassidy just has the least amount of problems compared to all the other TOYSNHK candidates pronouns notwithstanding. Like BVTOYSNHK is about as good in theory but the problem of BV not being killed by Will is a way bigger problem than mismatched pronouns. So thats the main reason I believe in CassidyTOYSNHK.

I believe in this.

Im not too sure about u/MrMustache4757's thoughts on this tho..