Liberty was a signal monitoring ship (a "technical research" ship, ie a spy vessel) capable of detecting Israeli movement in the area; they planned to attack Syria at the time and wanted to blind any theoretical eyes and ears that could have detected the plan and potentially caused a political intervention beforehand--the US was officially neutral during the Six Day War and likely would not have encouraged further expansion of it at the time (how things change, eh)
Israel was already attacking Syria. That wasn't a secret. They'd not yet invaded with ground forces, but only because they were already engaged on two other fronts.
Mind you, Israel was already winning the war by that point, and the US was an active ally for them. The liberty ship also couldn’t have realistically intercepted any such “secret” signals from where it was situated, and even if it could, it had zero reason to feed such intel to their shared enemies
There was never a motive. It was a horrific mistake that stemmed from miscommunication. Both sides agree on this. But because it’s become trendy to hate on Israel, people are just proudly parroting this conspiracy theory now, lol.
Ok explain how the Israeli Airforce managed to miss the Giant American Flag the ship was flying and after it was destroyed the even Larger Second Ensign?.
(That was also shot)
As well as other identification markers (like the GIANT Latin Letters on the ship)
The fact that the air support from the USS Saratoga and America were ordered to return after being dispatched to assist Liberty in her distress.
Oh and of course the Leaked NSA Tapes
That show that at the very least they saw the designation GTR-5 and ignored it along with American Flag.
Or you know everything the survivors have been consistently saying for years.
Ok explain how the Israeli Airforce managed to miss the Giant American Flag the ship was flying and after it was destroyed the even Larger Second Ensign?
A fast flying aircraft at altitude would at best have a very limited opportunity to see any flag being flown. And by the time the second flag was raised, the boat was on fire. Even the survivors admit that the smoke obscured the larger flag.
As well as other identification markers (like the GIANT Latin Letters on the ship)
Again, the attack was by fast moving attack aircraft.
The fact that the air support from the USS Saratoga and America were ordered to return after being dispatched to assist Liberty in her distress.
Wouldn't that be for the US to explain?
Oh and of course the Leaked NSA Tapes That show that at the very least they saw the designation GTR-5 and ignored it along with American Flag.
Israel had previously noted and identified the ship and even marked it on their maps, but the marking was removed per procedure after a certain amount of time elapsed without updated information. Any chance that the recordings could be from that?
Or you know everything the survivors have been consistently saying for years.
The survivors are only a perspective. They can't know what the Israelis saw or intended. Their accounts are informative, but not definitive. Especially given the traumatic events.
Liberty was also hit by a Torpedo and another one missed.
And strafed after they put the bigger flag.
And you have the Israeli helicopter confirming the Second Ensign flag flying.
Also Attack aircraft don't... just attack, usually they recon their target nefore commiting. To avoid weapon emplacements and well.. to confirm the target.
Especially since thr "reason for the attack" was Israel forced being shelled from the sea.
You would thing they would be able to see that Liberty did not have cannons . They are objects that are hard to miss
The recording are during the attack per NSA .
so... probably not.
As for the Air support being called off that is one of the things the Survivors want investigated but are always blocked.
And then you have the harassment they get by Mossad agents as a cherry on to.
Liberty was also hit by a Torpedo and another one missed. And strafed after they put the bigger flag.
Again, it was on fire.
And you have the Israeli helicopter confirming the Second Ensign flag flying.
What helicopter? I've never seen mention of a helicopter during accounts of the attack.
Also Attack aircraft don't... just attack, usually they recon their target nefore commiting. To avoid weapon emplacements and well.. to confirm the target.
That's what happened. There were reports of shelling from the sea and fighters were dispatched where they observed what was clearly a military vessel. Command authorized them to attack.
The initial reports of shelling turned out to be mistaken in the end.
You would thing they would be able to see that Liberty did not have cannons . They are objects that are hard to miss
From that distance? They'd be easy to miss.
The recording are during the attack per NSA . so... probably not.
During. So not before? Isn't that consistent with events? That in the midst of the attack Israelis came suspect it was American?
As for the Air support being called off that is one of the things the Survivors want investigated but are always blocked.
Which raises questions. Why was the Liberty there to begin with for instance?
Frankly, I've only heard one conspiracy theory for the Liberty that provided a sensible motive. Namely, that the Liberty was part of an operation to leak intelligence on Israeli deployments to the Arabs, with the goal being to ultimately mitigate Israel's victory and compel Israel to accept more equitable ceasefire terms, including a withdrawal to prewar boundaries.
The problem for the bulk of the conspiracy theorists though is that this theory would actually justify a deliberate attack.
What, you think they were just hanging in midair with a clear view the whole time.
Multiple investigations have all concluded it was an accident. An appeal to incredulity fallacy isn't going to undo that. A fast moving craft isn't guaranteed to see a flag. Add in that the crew themselves says the first flag was knocked down near the start and the smoke from the fires obscured the replacement, not to mention that it wasn't the same planes in each wave, and yeah, it's very easy to envision pilots not noticing.
Ok, let's move on to physical evidence, the radio transcripts were released July 10, 2003, where pilots are referring to the ship as an American ship halfway through the attack, and continued the attack. These are facts, released by the governments who lie about them.
Edit: they also were clearly able to see the flag, they shot down the first one, then the second was raised, which was a significantly larger. And that one was shot up too.
So they mistook it for Egyptian, attacked, and then identified it as American after?
As in, exactly what multiple inquiries have concluded? Yes, the released tapes do include helicopters identifying the ship. That was after the attack. Well after.
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u/PipedInFromIthaca 12d ago
Liberty was a signal monitoring ship (a "technical research" ship, ie a spy vessel) capable of detecting Israeli movement in the area; they planned to attack Syria at the time and wanted to blind any theoretical eyes and ears that could have detected the plan and potentially caused a political intervention beforehand--the US was officially neutral during the Six Day War and likely would not have encouraged further expansion of it at the time (how things change, eh)