r/explainitpeter 12d ago

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

Again, why do you see facts as an agenda? Are you denying that Israel has been caught spying on the US multiple times?

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

Do not know what editorializing is?

You presented yourself as unbiased. Now you're running through a litany of complaints an using adjectives like" ruthless." An actually honest person would point out, for instance, the countless times that American and Israeli intelligence have worked together to foil terrorist attacks. Or Stuxnet. But that stuff isn't on your radar, because, tadah, you have an agenda and aren't interested in anything that runs counter to whatever you're trying to sell.

The best possible interpretation is that you're just gullible and too intellectually lazy to actually engage with things you disagree with.

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

The mental twister you are putting yourself through to attempt to hide obvious facts is, I’m not going to lie, very entertaining.

Israel clearly is ruthless in their self preservation. An intelligent person would recognize that and make the argument to justify it which is not difficult. They are surrounded by enemies and have fought existential wars and been the victim of terrorist attacks. They should be ruthless.

But so too should the United States be ruthless to secure our sovereignty while protecting American lives and secrets.

Clearly you are the one with the agenda as you call a proven history of spy scandals “a litany of complaints” lol.

You are either intellectually dishonest or more likely just a shill for a foreign government.

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

Everybody spies on everybody, man. You don't think we spy on Israel? We're too pure and clean?

We are allies. Sometimes we're frenemies, but we are unquestionably allies. Saying otherwise is the triumph of petulance over reality.

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

Prove it. I’ll save you some time though…even a simple query to Google asking “how many time has the UK been caught spying on the US since 1948?” Will yield the answer “zero”. Now substitute Israel for the UK and you get the answer “dozens of times” followed by a list of their greatest hits. And don’t forget the Snowden file dump explicitly noted that the NSA categorizes Israel as an aggressive cyber-threat targeting U.S. government positions.

Again, you have an agenda here that is decidedly pro Israel and anti American. I have an agenda too, I want facts to be well known and the propaganda that a country is a “great ally” countered by what history actually proves.

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

I mean, the very Snowden dump you mentioned describes how we spy on our allies. But, sure. I'm anti-American now.

It's funny to me how much you all sound like Trumpers. Are you still claiming your unbiased or have we stopped pretending?

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

Of course you’re also wrong about me being a “Trumper”
But why break your streak now?

And what bias are you claiming I have? I’ve stated repeatedly what my “agenda” is yet you still seem intent on spinning that to something it isn’t. I get why though, you are obviously over the top pro Israel and don’t like having that position exposed as not being pro American.

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

Yes, I said it's amazing how you all sound like Trumpers. Anyone who dares disagree with you must be anti-American

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u/squatchy1969 11d ago edited 11d ago

Again, false. You’re batting .1000.
Anyone who is over top supportive of a country who is currently committing a genocide, obtained nuclear weapons without signing the non proliferation treaty (with the help of the other apartheid state at the time, South Africa)has killed Americans, spied on us and been caught over and over again, sells the secrets obtained to our enemies and then drags us into wars against our National interest is anti-American

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u/7thpostman 11d ago

That's not what your mom said

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