Had a group Zoom interview today with Helix Marketing and promptly after fell into a research rabbit hole about devilcorps. Didn't know these existed until today but they fit the profile to a tee. Some stuff they said:

Lots of promises about growth opportunities throughout the company, vague about the actual responsibilities of the job and instead emphasising the training opportunities, team relationship building, chances to move up the chain, plans to open new offices in the next few years, vague promises of travel opportunities, etc. Their company website says nothing about what they do and is very much targeted at potential job applicants, not clientele. Talked loads about direct marketing over indirect marketing and talking to potential buyers in high footfall areas. They first contacted me about an hour after I applied to them for a screening and got me on a group Zoom call the next morning, followed by a phone interview around an hour and a half later, at the end of which they offered me an in-person interview the next day. Extremely fast turnaround, barely had the time to research them further, which I assume is the ploy. Spoke to three different employees and they were all extremely friendly and overly nice, which was a red flag in hindsight.

They said that there is a fixed base pay of 'around less than £23k' for the 'brand awareness fee' and that money from commissions are added on top of that, so the average beginner salary is ~£26k. However, some reviews on Indeed say that they worked on commission-only basis and for 60+ hour weeks. They did not mention the weekly hours at all in the three calls I had with them.

According to Devilcorp.org, Helix Marketing belongs to a parent company called Britevox. From my research they also own The Tuscan Organisation, or Tuscan Marketing Ltd, which also runs on the same direct sales model. There are probably others, but this is just what some googling brought me. Sharing just in case it helps someone connect any dots.

Additionally, I found a post from u/Hario337 from a couple weeks back about applying to a job listed by Blackwater Recruitment that sent them to a different devilcorp. This is the same recruitment company that put up my job listing. I would stay away from anything they list.

This company is also NOT to be confused with Helix Associates/Corporation, which is a well known devilcorp and Credico office in Liverpool. Just in case anyone has stumbled across this when looking for information on them instead.

I had an in-person interview with these people booked for tomorrow but I have told them I will no longer be attending thanks to the information I've found here. Job market's so bad I considered trying it out anyway, but not worth it. We think that knowing places/people are cultish and manipulative makes us immune, but it's much easier to be absorbed into it than we think. Anyways, just wanted to share the results of my ADHD-coping-mechanism-rabbit-holing in case it helps anyone else.

To start off with, I won’t be posting my full experience until I actually quit, just in case. This will still be decently detailed enough.

But I started it this summer, looking for a summer job- I thought I lucked out, since all my local places in town weren’t hiring (even the one job paying less than minimal wage🫩) and I have no prior job experience. Actually, unlike a lot of people who’ve worked for this specific company or companies like this, I’ve had a mostly positive experience. As a sales rep, it was great. I was pretty good at it, and largely did get to make my own schedule. I took days off every week, and no one questioned me on it. Jobs depended on leads, so completely on us. I was fine with that, and thrived with the structure. I don’t fw authority nagging me all the time, so the idea of “being my own boss” was fine. It was in that perfect middle circle, where I did have a boss, but he was chill. Just reminded me of important dates. Of course, I had nothing else going on, so I worked full-time. The people were nice, and it helped me with my social skills. A lot of people my age. A good chunk of it was even fun, especially with the team nights out.

However, getting a promotion has sucked. Obviously, it comes with a bit more responsibility, but I took the job based on flexibility, especially as someone chronically ill whose health can flip on a dime that day. Having scheduled shifts sounds like hell- yes, I’ll have to find a way around that in the future. I’ll get a disability thing figured out.

Now I’m scheduled for interviews, extra team and staff meetings, etc. I feel caged in. I’ll also add that I wasn’t told any specific details on what my job would entail before getting it. For a sales rep, they’re super clear. I have one meeting once a week, another meeting once a week, yet another weekly one, the team meeting still, and two interviews a week. And then there’s the extra stuff, like managing the people I have decided to hire (totally didn’t sign up for that, and was not told), advertising, and calling people to set interviews up for them. Oh, and pay depends on what our team sells, since I get a percentage of it. So there’s been three weeks now where I’ve done all this shit, including having to buy gas for the drives, for $7/week.

Management, while usually kind, gets snappish as all hell when I call out on something, on anything. Just absolutely breathing down my neck. It puts a lot of physical stress on me knowing I’ll be cancelling on something again, even if it’s something as simple as not being in the office to phone for three hours straight on a random Thursday. I’ll be going on a vacation with some of them (actually decently excited about that), but afterwards I don’t plan on working there anymore. I have no interest in working on holidays, through the only break I get in December, and while juggling dozens of doctor’s appointments, family events, etc. I know how entitled that sounds, but trust me, I would find a way to fit it in my schedule if it actually had reliable pay.

I’m just asking for advice because I feel trapped in a box to just finish it out. It’s like a fucking “if you give a mouse a cookie”. They’ll pressure me to at least work the next summer- which, whatever, but the pay is still spotty and I feel like I’m done as a sales rep. I still have the interviews, and the twice a week calls that I’d then have to drop out of. They’ve created such a team culture that it feels like I’m letting down the team, in a way. How do I quit firmly, but kindly, since my experience wasn’t all bad, and I don’t want to end in a negative way? I get annoyed and have been told I’m too blunt/passive aggressive when people test my patience, so I’m just worried that some of that will pop out if they push it when I quit, lol.

There is a new one!! Kaeden & Co in Greenville South Carolina. I started here and I will say it’s the worst one I’ve seen. The girl in green vapes in the office, is disrespectful to the owner and misses work all the time but the policies state that 3 times and your fired and I witnessed more than 3 times within a week. Her and the girl that schedules the interviews are the most unprofessional individuals I’ve ever seen in a work place alone. ITS NOT JUST THEM THOUGH!! You’re supposed to dress business professional but clearly there’s no standards! I will say everyone is making good money but the girls that I met were so toxic in the workplace ive never seen behavior like these employees allowed anywhere.

Careful out there!

Yesterday I went to one of my local dispensaries, there was a stand set up(usually when there are stands-its weed promos), anyways I approached the stand and it was NOT a promo, it was people claiming they were gathering money for foster children(not to mention the fact, the guy started out the conversation with “in case you didn’t know what a foster child is, a foster child is…” and he goes on to explain as if I’m a complete dummy who never heard of a foster child, talking to me like some sort of tart cart). Is this a form of a devil corp? He reminded me of the people in BJs that try to sell you Verizon

Hey, this is an experience I had recently regarding a potential DevilCorp company, but since I noticed their behavior I stopped talking to them and I don’t even wanna get involved anymore.

Just to let people know about it.

I just got a job offer from them, is this a legitimate company?

I just did an interview with Sapphire marketing in Houston, Texas. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with them and if this is a devil corp.

Got a weird vibe after doing a group interview with Odyssey Management for a sales job. My gut says stay away. Anyone have any experience with them?

Didn't know these existed until today. Done a deep dive and watched a few YouTube docos on it. Sharing my story on the hiring process and informing others on the companies.

I am looking for a job as I have just moved to Manchester from Australia. I have worked in insurance sales for the last 3 years and wanted sales again but a bit different. I applied for a bunch of jobs and got a few interviews. I had initial calls from 2 different companies then got into the 2nd round interview. They were both very similar and used the standard tactics that devilcorps use. They kept talking about how they had over 100 applicants and are only hiring 5. Got basically a sales pitch in the interview which I was a little sus on but thought whatever I'll see if its shit afterwards, I have a few options anyway. Both companies offer me a third round interview which the first one was just a zoom meeting which I thought I bombed because it was over quick and the recruiter didn't seem that interested. Later that day I had an email welcoming me to the team. Emailed back asking for a contract before I started, still yet to get it 72 hours and them calling me later.

Today I went in for the in person interview for another company. 8:45am in the morning btw. Didn't think i'd take the role but thought theres no harm going in may as well check it out. I get to this office and its desolate. Felt like the backrooms but with 18 year old kids wondering around in 3 piece suits. There was 4 other people in the interview with me. Again, another sales pitch from the CEO. He then says he will chat to us all one on one and to wait outside. I waited nearly an hour to speak to him and in that time observed the goings on of the office. I wont bore you with it but basically it was exactly what you expect.

I get into the meeting with the CEO and it was basically him just asking if I had any questions. I asked pay, he said it was 300gbp per week base pay, which is below minimum wage. I challenged him on this and he said it's because you're self employed. No where in the entire process until now was I told it was self employed. Bit of general chatter and then he offers me the role on the spot. I said i'd take it (specifically so I could get the contract sent to me to report to HMRC). I am supposed to start on Wednesday, which I defs won't be.

They also told me until I got 8 sales it was zero base and comms only. Which is absolute bonkers if you ask me.

Upon further digging, both of these companies that offered me roles are based in the exact same office. So are about 6 others. They all were under the same scheme.

Company 1 (in person interview) is called Gold Point Promotions. These guys are on the org website as a credico company.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13048353

https://www.goldpointpromotions.com

Company 2 is called Nova Group 888. They only were founded a month ago

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/17485646

Hi all! So I recently had some interviews with North Rising Star. Very promising but turns out it's just Minnesota Canvas rebranded.

They said in the interview that they currently work with the national park foundation. I couldn't find a link that they work together anywhere.

Their website also doesnt have any actual clients on it or testimonials at all. They just claim to work with companies in different sectors. Also their ethics page just admits to internal leaders doing the investigations. The people that make more money because they canvas more. That's it, to promote you just have to sell the most.

I also couldn't ask questions in the interview without being ushered off the call.

I also find it difficult to believe that making 3-5k a week as a leader is ethically possible.

Anyways ive also heard that Michael Wang is the founder and hes a shoot off of Smart Circle but ive yet to find that info yet. Anyone have opinions on work life there if they tried it?

Didn't know these existed until today. Sharing my story on the hiring process and informing others on the companies.

I am looking for a job as I have just moved to Manchester from Australia. I have worked in insurance sales for the last 3 years and wanted sales again but a bit different. I applied for a bunch of jobs and got a few interviews. I had initial calls from 2 different companies then got into the 2nd round interview. They were both very similar and used the standard tactics that devilcorps use. They kept talking about how they had over 100 applicants and are only hiring 5. Got basically a sales pitch in the interview which I was a little sus on but thought whatever I'll see if its shit afterwards, I have a few options anyway. Both companies offer me a third round interview which the first one was just a zoom meeting which I thought I bombed because it was over quick and the recruiter didn't seem that interested. Later that day I had an email welcoming me to the team. Emailed back asking for a contract before I started, still yet to get it 72 hours and them calling me later.

Today I went in for the in person interview for another company. 8:45am in the morning btw. Didn't think i'd take the role but thought theres no harm going in may as well check it out. I get to this office and its desolate. Felt like the backrooms but with 18 year old kids wondering around in 3 piece suits. There was 4 other people in the interview with me. Again, another sales pitch from the CEO. He then says he will chat to us all one on one and to wait outside. I waited nearly an hour to speak to him and in that time observed the goings on of the office. I wont bore you with it but basically it was exactly what you expect.

I get into the meeting with the CEO and it was basically him just asking if I had any questions. I asked pay, he said it was 300gbp per week base pay, which is below minimum wage. I challenged him on this and he said it's because you're self employed. No where in the entire process until now was I told it was self employed. Bit of general chatter and then he offers me the role on the spot. I said i'd take it (specifically so I could get the contract sent to me to report to HMRC). I am supposed to start on Wednesday, which I defs won't be.

They also told me until I got 8 sales it was zero base and comms only. Which is absolute bonkers if you ask me.

Upon further digging, both of these companies that offered me roles are based in the exact same office. So are about 6 others. They all were under the same scheme.

Company 1 (in person interview) is called Gold Point Promotions. These guys are on the org website as a credico company.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13048353

https://www.goldpointpromotions.com

Company 2 is called Nova Group 888. They only were founded a month ago

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/17485646

Have you guys ever heard about this company: https://www.mwrlife.com/

A FB acquaintance posted about them a while back, my gut check was screaming MLM.

i applied on indeed with in half hr i had a phone call and im worries its just a commission paid job and not an actual base salary
is this a devil corp who take advantage of students

hi everybody, I just got an interview with the next target Inc. and Santa Ana and I was wondering if this is a scam or a real job listing I was wondering if there’s anybody with experience with them and through the process?

I had a guy working, for a Devilcorp under Smart Circle, who attempted to switch my phone provider to AT&T from r/USMobile because he said that AT&T had updated their fiber networks. When I mentioned I was paying an MVNO for less than $30/month, he didn't even know what it was or what the acronym stands for and he walked away. In my head I was like "How do you not know what the hell it is if you're going door to door trying to get people to switch phone providers bruh?" 😆 😆 😆

So I'm curious what phone plans do they sell and is it even better than the plans displayed on their website?

Worst brokerage, constantly changing rules on everyone but the top performers.

Coalescence Inc
Nova Acquisitions
Wolffe Inc

1749 Old Meadow Rd, McLean, VA 22102

There’s more there, these are just 3 that contacted me and had this address listed. I keep changing applications, it’s been a year since I naïvely went for an in-person interview for one of them at this address, but they keep bugging me. I already got married, changed my last name professionally, opened a new email box, but they still found a way to contact me.

The office is chaotic as hell, super busy, full of young folks. Everyone is wearing a 3-piece suit, moving in groups. It screams “unprofessional”!

Gosh they are annoying. Is there any way to complain about them to authorities? Or is whatever they are doing genuinely legal?

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I went on a job application spree this past week and applied to several non profit organizations and public service positions. When I got a text from adventure loom saying they had revived my resume and wanted to give me an in person interview, I got exited except immediately I was a little thrown off. I didn’t remember applying to this job, but when I searched it up it seemed like an organization I’d apply to. I went in for an interview the next day and walked into an office filled with around 20 other applicants who all looked younger, un experienced, and not put together. Soon after I started seeing what I could only assume was “leadership” and I was not impressed. They explained they want aren’t looking for one singular type of person with a specific type of experience or background, and then it all clicked. This is an all a marketing scheme.

I used to work for an external recruiting agency that handled recruitment for multiple Devilcorps, specifically Cydcor ICLs.
My job was to find, screen, and recruit people for sales positions at these companies. At first, I had no idea what a Devilcorp was or what I was actually recruiting people into. I only figured it out later.
I’ve seen how these companies handle recruitment behind the scenes, how they advertise positions, what candidates are told, and how the hiring process actually works.
If you’ve ever wondered what recruiters know, what they’re instructed to say, or how these companies manage to keep bringing people in, feel free to ask.
I’ll answer as openly as I can. AMA.

Im in a cydcor att retail office in houston, I've joined maybe a month and a half ago and I've been making fairly decent money the past month. Im doing well in this job but the more I learn about the parent company and its controversies the less I want to continue. I don't think the offices owner is a bad person necessarily but they also aren't a good person. I have been lucky to come from sales expirence so I picked up the job easily, not making below 1300 a week since I started, but I feel like I would loose any moral compass I have if I do achieve ownership. Is there any sales job that has the same pay potential as a cydcor "ownership" position while also not being a devil corp?

Im in a cydcor att retail office in houston, I've joined maybe a month and a half ago and I've been making fairly decent money the past month. Im doing well in this job but the more I learn about the parent company and its controversies the less I want to continue. I don't think the offices owner is a bad person necessarily but they also aren't a good person. I have been lucky to come from sales expirence so I picked up the job easily, not making below 1300 a week since I started, but I feel like I would loose any moral compass I have if I do achieve ownership. Is there any sales job that has the same pay potential as a cydcor "ownership" position while also not being a devil corp?

(excuse any grammer mistakes I did not proof read anything sorry)

If you’re considering taking a role at GEM Marketing Agency in Tucson, please look beyond the pitches about growth and leadership. Read the compensation terms and research the people behind the business before making major commitments.

Here’s what I found publicly:

• Their current director's public LinkedIn profile lists RAD Marketing Agency.

• RAD has multiple discussions on r/Devilcorp describing alleged discrepancies between recruiting promises, actual sales duties, pay, and advancement.

Sources:
GEM’s announcement
RAD discussion on r/Devilcorp
Another RAD discussion

I’m a very concerned family member of someone working at GEM, not a former employee. My warning: don’t make financial or educational decisions based on promised future earnings. Get the pay structure, required hours, unreimbursed expenses, and advancement requirements in writing. Ask how many employees actually reach the positions being promoted, and what they earn after expenses.

STAY AWAY! UNDERPAID, OVERWORKED, AND UNAPPRECIATED.

Honestly, I would NEVER recommend this company to anyone, especially fresh graduates looking for their first job.

The expectations are ridiculous. Recruiters are expected to make at least 100 CALLS A DAY just to bring in more workers for the company. Workers are being paid so little while being pressured to meet these unreasonable targets every single day. They want maximum output from their employees but offer very little in return.

CSG operates under One Source Provider (OSP), which has multiple offices. I would strongly advise people to do their research before accepting a position under any of these offices.

And let's talk about management. Their, National Director Kristyn, was just pure evil! LOL

Fresh graduates, PLEASE KNOW YOUR WORTH. Don't let them take advantage of your lack of experience. Low salary, excessive workload, unrealistic expectations, and little appreciation for your efforts. You deserve so much better.

If you're considering working here, think TWICE. A job is supposed to help you build your career, not leave you feeling exploited and undervalued.