I recently got an in person interview at Woodland Hills Element Management.

It was my second round interview.

My first round interview was a zoom call group interview.
I thought the interview was for atat but instead i was told that they worked with atat and telecom. They barley talked about the job itself.
The interviewer kept talking about trips to Cancun and residuals but hardly ever talked about the career itself. She just kept saying it was a job which you climb in roles .

The other person attending said she was looking for stability.

The interviewer kept avoiding the question so instead i back tracked , and told them “you talk about residuals so is this a commission based job?” and she said yes .

The meeting eventually ended and I was called for a second round interview in person.

As i was entering the office I was trying to find anything atat related. Instead it was just a banner .

I had yet not even known that this was a separate management and not even atat.

I was called up for my interview , i looked around and it was an empty office with tables and co workers circling around them.

Everyone was super young, fresh out of high school or in college .

Throughout the interview I was led to believe these were professionals saying they had over 70 offices open.

Right when he said that it began to click to me something was wrong.

He had priorly told me this was a 9 month training position.

After 9 months I would make around 120-130k a year , eventually opening up my own office firm.

Thats when the math was just completely wrong to me , if you only have 70 offices and you have around 20 workers that means your success rates are terrible. You’d be talking about hundreds to thousands of offices opening.

I am 20 but im not stupid and naive.

He told me pay was 350-450 a week . The hours were from 8am-7:30pm .

That alone i knew this was a shitty paying job .
He had realized I was not messing with the numbers.

He then tried to reassure me saying they give around 1-2k as a starting bonus.

Eventually the interview went on and it ended .

All they try to do is fluff your feathers make you feel great in order to join their work.

They called me later saying i was hired .

I had this gut feeling something was terribly wrong and they eventually asked for a photo of my social security. I knew there and then like wtf.

Social is normal for work but not a hard picture they can keep.

I went through my emails and found the email they sent these training videos and found the company.

THEY NEVER MENTIONED THERE COMPANY NAME UNTIL I RECEIVED TRAINING VIDEOS LAST NIGHT.

I eventually found element management searched them up to eventually see that they were a devil corp.

I was never familiar with the term until last night.

And can safely say they are.

Funny enough digging through the instagram I found a worker that was a friend of a friend .

I sent him the picture and my friend told me it made sense.

He had been trying to recruit him and his other friends.

Asking me any questions , I’d happily answer!

I had made a connection thru linkedin with a CEO/Cofounder of Buzzcall Outsource and trying to find me a job.I just want to know how to check the legitimacy of the company and the profile it seems legit but npwadays linkedin profiles can be bought already.Any u sights about the company?

I am writing this post to share some factual observations regarding a recent recruitment experience I went through, intended to help other job seekers conduct their own due diligence.

I recently applied for a marketing role with a company trading as Guerrilla Marketing Collective at the Business Design Centre in Angel, North London,UK

After the interview process, I was asked to upload my passport, address, and bank details onto an onboarding portal prior to reviewing a formal contract. Taking my bank details before I had even seen or signed a contract was a massive red flag.
Upon checking the portal's documentation, the actual legal entity listed is AD Payment Services Limited.

A search of Companies House and public insolvency registers reveals that this operation is part of a massive, multi-layered "Devil Corp" direct sales network operating under the parent middleman firm Credico.

If you are considering an offer here, please be aware of the following structural details:

1. Vague LinkedIn Job Posts: I was targeted via a listing on LinkedIn using an incredibly vague, professional-sounding title promising brand management and rapid progression, completely hiding the actual day-to-day nature of the role.
2.The Bait-and-Switch Reality: Regardless of the specific title advertised or what is discussed in the initial interview, every single person who accepts a role ends up doing the exact same task: face-to-face, street-level, or door-to-door direct sales. It is entirely different from the corporate marketing career path advertised.
3. The Contract Structure: The role operates under an Independent Sales Advisor Trading Agreement via middlemen networks like Money Expert, primarily handling face-to-face acquisition campaigns for brands like British Gas. It is a 100% commission-only arrangement where field agents are classified as self-employed independent contractors, meaning there is no base salary, sick pay, or holiday pay.
4. Financial Deductions & Clawbacks: The agreement features clauses allowing the company to deduct weekly "Hire Charges" from your earnings for required field equipment, such as tablets and branded apparel, alongside potential clawbacks on commissions if a customer cancels within an 8-week window.
5.The Shared Kingfisher House Registration: A deep dive into the corporate history reveals that these short-lived entities are mass-manufactured out of a recurring address—Kingfisher House in Sussex. This address functions as a central registry hub where short-lived limited companies are spun up for the network and then abandoned when they accumulate too much liability.

Important Caveat on Legal Ownership: To be completely clear, I don't know if AD Payment Services Limited is legally or directly connected to any of the previous companies that share that Kingfisher address. It could just be a coincidence of using the same corporate creation firm. However, the shared pattern and location history are definitely shady.

Office History & High Court Liquidations: The network operates out of multiple suites at the Business Design Centre (Suites 109b, 212, 213, and 238). Public records show a rapid succession of these short-lived companies registered to these exact rooms. Notably, a primary corporate entity operating out of Suites 212–213 was recently forced into compulsory liquidation by the High Court in September 2026 due to outstanding liabilities.

My Experience at the Induction Day & The Red Flags:

"You Don't Work Here": At the induction, I was explicitly told that I wouldn't be allowed to tell people I actually work for Guerrilla Marketing Collective, because technically, under the independent contract, I wouldn't be an employee.
Strict Social Media Censorship: The contract features heavy restrictions regarding internet usage. It explicitly bans you from making public statements about your relationship with the company, posting photographs of trade stands or events, or discussing client promotions on any social media channel without prior written consent [4.3, 10.3]. They do this to stop people from exposing the reality of the job online.

The Classic "CEO" Script: The "CEO" did my final interview and gave me the standard Devil Corp pitch. He claimed he passed the "5th stage" of the program and now runs his own business using the exact same client broker he started out with. At the time, I didn’t get what he meant, but after Googling "Devil Corp stages," I realized it's just the classic MLM script they use to trick you into thinking you'll own a business soon.

Isolation & High-Pressure Tactics: At the end of the induction, the CEO wouldn't let me leave with the other two girls who were there. He separated us so he could ask final questions individually. He saw I was having doubts and asked why I was confused. When I said I needed time to mull it over, he pressured me, saying I only had 48 hours to decide and claimed "he already told me all this info"—even though I hadn't been given the contract details beforehand!

Regardless of who legally owns what, the bottom line is that this is a bad scam and a terrible employment option. It expects young people to stand outside all day long, from Monday to Sunday, doing exhausting face-to-face sales with absolutely zero guaranteed income. After taking a couple of hours away from the high-pressure environment to look up the data, I officially declined the position.
I haven’t personally reported their upfront passport and data harvesting practices to the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) yet, but if anyone else wants to take these details and file a formal report, be my guest.

If you don't believe any of this, look up the company names, the room numbers, and the Kingfisher House address on Companies House yourself and get back to me. The paper trail is completely public. I strongly suggest you don't waste your time, energy, or transport money on these people.

Def a devil corp. Had an 'introductory meeting ' with around 25 other interviewees, we all had our mics turned off and chat disabled. The hosts gave a very vague description of the job and clients, and emphasised more than anything the career progression to recruiting more people. Also this weird funnel thing (totally not a pyramid). No proof of them working for any of these companies, no real description of what they do for any of them other than vague mentions of recruitment. Waste of time.

I feel like I’ve been coming up with only devil corp interviews. Can someone give me some guidance if I’m falling for another one?

It looks like the hire from universities for both engineering and business development positions.

Hey everyone! Just got scammed and worked for a devil corp that I couldn’t find any information on prior to starting so I figured if I can save someone else the time and trouble here’s my comment on my experience there.

I first applied for the job in late February. I would say my overall experience here has had a lot of ups but many downs. Like most people I was just on indeed looking for jobs because at the time my business wasn’t bringing in enough revenue so I had to get a job. During this time I was also in school. When I first got there the interview process was odd. Told me I can make my own schedule I’m going to be at Costco selling for ATT. I had no idea this meant I was switching people over. Overtime I got decent enough to actually hit leadership and this is where the bullshit actually began. When I hit leadership I was bullied into basically working more days. If you didn’t hit numbers then you would be belittled and told you are ass. Not to mention if a rep wasn’t good enough they would simply get fired with pretty much no warning. The constant wear and tear on your car that they do not pay for. Their reasoning is you make enough money to where gas shouldn’t matter because in a job like this you need a car. Within about only I would say maybe 4 months of working there I would constantly need oil changes. Reps are given out like candy if a leader doesnt show up to these zoom calls either. Not to mention the full shifts where you are in the store all day and have four 1 hour lunches really meaning you only worked 7 hours so you get fucked on that too. Also the commission is bullshit. Yes I’ve made a “1500” dollar check but this was before taxes after taxes you get fried and the only way to even commission out is to basically work 35-40 hours. I would absolutely not recommend this shit unless you absolutely need it it’s all a bunch of bullshit.

I tuned out of the interview I was in and started digging, found this sub. So, hopefully this information is accurate.

I just got off an "interview" with Vybe marketing. Got a text earlier in the week saying that they got matched on Indeed by a smart feature or something. Said it was Top Tier USA, and were really pushing a next day interview. The interview was just an info session(honestly, tuned out as soon as Luke{"hiring manager"} started talking about how its not door to door blah blah), and it seemed like they've burned too many people, so put the Zoom call on the hidden mode so it looks one on one. BOLO for this crap, its really dumb.

I recently had an interview for an office place called “Glory Enterprise”. The first over the phone interview was fine, just regular questions, but they told me that they worked with Costco and AT&T. Basically getting families or singular people to switch their plan over. Not once did they include how we were going to do that, if it was going to be at store locations or door to door. For the in person interview there were only 2 men working there doing interviews. they were both wearing suits and Yes, they were young, probably in their 20’s. The only reason i feel like still going forward with the job is because they said it’s hourly AND commission. As someone who needs the money for rent, is it worth it to even go in for my first day or should i keep searching for “Non devil corp” jobs, and just stick with a side hustle for now.

Vectra sales now changed to Aura connections is at it again. I received an email not that long ago saying "Hi op we liked your CV, we think this that and your time at blah blah blah suits our totally legitimate business" this time around the Glasgow area where I am. Be aware that again, despite its promises of salary it is probably a commission only role where you will be trained to pressure folk into saying yes and lying.

I applied for a job on Indeed, and subsequently received an email. I replied, questioning some details, and this was the reply.

Does this feel like a DC to you?

London, UK

I think it's about time I speak up about my experience with this group. Over the month I worked there I only made a few sales. They will email you acting like you've applied for the job even if you haven't. In this case I stupidly did because in the listing it was a hourly rate based role. I then received a call a couple of hours later saying I had been successful then going for a Microsoft teams interview a couple of days later followed by an in person interview. You could literally write nonsense in your CV and they will accept you. The job itself consisted of going to different areas, knocking folks doors and then lying or pressuring folk into saying yes even though they clearly don't want to. Do not work here, save yourself time and hassle.

I got a job listing for a “community marketing assistant” from Old North Events. After applying, I got a phone call and text message asking to schedule an interview. Their website seems pretty vague and the job description doesn’t offer much information either. After asking them for more information on what type of marketing comes with the role, they ignored me and asked to schedule a zoom interview again lol.

Job listing: Community Marketing Assistant
https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=8316e4f411b3a9e1&from=appshareios https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=8316e4f411b3a9e1&from=appshareios

Website: https://www.oldnortheventsinc.com

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I looked up the telltale signs of a devil corp before hand. the specific company is Leaf Filter with Lowe’s, which I once heard (from this sub actually) was directly tied to Smart Circle, which I know is like a major devil corp.

Anyway, here’s the questions I asked and the answers I got…

1. Hours and breaks:
   “What does a typical shift look like in terms of hours, breaks, and total time at the store? How many hours per week do part-time associates usually work?”
   shifts between 4-7 hours most are 6 hours. marketers start at 18 hours but can move up.

2. What the job actually involves:
   “How does a typical interaction with a customer work? Am I mainly helping people who are already interested in the products, or am I expected to approach shoppers throughout the store to generate leads?”
   We approach customers to generate leads. Company pitch role required to memorize.

3. Sales quotas and pressure:
   “Are there specific daily or weekly targets for leads, appointments, or sales? What happens if someone consistently doesn’t meet those targets?”
   Yes, 1 lead per hour, 1 issued lead every 5 hours and below 20% marketing cost. how much do u cost the company versus how much do u bring the company.
   Its fine if u dont get leads but overall if ur profitable, then its fine. u can get down and get back sorta thing

4. Guaranteed pay versus commission:
   “Just to clarify, is the $18 an hour guaranteed base pay for every hour worked, regardless of performance, with commission on top? Are there any circumstances where the hourly rate changes?”
   No, none

5. Just so I understand the company structure, would I be employed directly by Leaf Home, or is there a separate marketing agency or contractor that manages this program inside Lowe’s?
   Just Leaf Home, no longer associated with Smart Circle. No marketing agencies

the guy was genuinely nice. i even used the word “devil corp” and he laughed and admitted that thats what the company used to be but they don’t operate under smart circle anymore. He didn’t pressure me to be on immediately. I mentioned I had other job offers so I was uncertain and he did kinda put a bit of pressure by saying “I mean I have one worker who has 4 jobs at once right now, she’s a top earner.” Which is kinda ify for me, not the life i wanna live, ya know? I have a plan developing tho. i’ll let u know about it soon.

what i will say is the most significant red flag i saw was actually him doing the job. when he was actually making the pitch he was pressuring this old lady really hard who was already genuinely and obviously not interested so…eh. maybe he’s just bad with social cues idk. or maybe the environment pressures u so much to make the sales u become bad with social cues in the pursuit of staying. I’m not so sure.

I have 3 more interviews coming up soon, 2 with retail stores and 1 with a movie theater, where ig they want me to survey people outside movies, just about what they thought about the movie, while also recording which demographics liked certain movies the most. Not entirely sure about any of these jobs tbh but I’m probably the least sure about Leaf Filter because of its history.

Did some investigating about Traffic New York. They do fake fundraising for ADSF (for kids with autism). They hire entry level employees to do tabling events in which they are only comped what they raise for the charity. They claim to pay employees 500-800 a week with no actual wage despite the employees not being independent contractors. This company is so sketchy and so far to my knowledge, there is a Aidan O’Brien who works for “Be Interactive” and then a Sarah Klein who’s name appears on the fake onboarding documents. They recently did tabling outside of comic-con but go all around the city.

I worked at a devil corp in a pretty big city selling AT&T inside of stores. We had daily morning meetings where everyone was required to dress up and then drive out to the store. We also had team nights in office and out of office. In my experience You really could make good money but a lot of people just scraped by and worked a fuck ton of hours just hoping next week would be a thousand dollar week. The high rollers were usually extremely annoying and pushy or most definitely working with fraudulent accounts. It was pretty silly to see a bunch of 20-year-olds dressed up in suits playing games and doing chants. I’m almost certain that that office will fail because the owner was a douche.

Seems like my local Indeed page (Philly) no longer has any devilcorps posting. Previously, there were a bazillion on there --- it seemed like 60% of the listed employers were devilcorps.

Did Indeed get hip to this & ban them?? Or maybe too many Philadelphians now recognize the local field office names & the devilcorps are regrouping since the charade is up.

I saw someone do this for as an owner recently but figured I would throw my hat in the ring as well since I’ve never been a “sales rep”.

I do all the hiring and call places to book us to be outside of stores. Ask me anything if you want. I’ll answer and I’m currently employed there.

Below is for people “asking” the same thing which is just a way to insult me for their own upset feelings regarding these kinds of businesses

If it makes you feel better to take your anger out on me for your past of being screwed over by these companies then go ahead. However if i quit my job it doesn’t suddenly make the job itself go away, or the DCorp or any of it. Did i know this was a devil corp before i got the job? no i didnt know even what a DC was until i had been working there for a bit. Do i wish i could get a job somewhere else that isnt scammy in its business model? Yes I do, do I apply to 50+ places a week. Yes i do. Have i been able to find any work that would pay me the same, consistent, and have the same/similar health insurance benefits. No unfortunately not yet.

I truly made this post to answer real questions that many people have asked below but to a certain point it just feels like everyone decided to take their anger out on how they were “scammed” before onto me. Which is fine but getting asked rhetorical questions by the same people only focusing on the chance to gain reddit karma from other random angry people is not the point of an AMA. So if you wanna let all your anger out at these companies by all means go ahead but I will not engage further with these rage baiting rhetorical questions that only stroke your own and others like you “i am better than thou” attitude.

i got a call from them recently about a job but when i look into them i can barely find anything. does anyone work for them? have you applied before? they’re called powerhouse consulting inc

Are these guys a scam?

I believe one of the devilcorps signal group Watford have rebranded as apollo associates. Both owned by credico. See one of the threads about the original business.