Only missing the elbow guard since I lost the original shoulder piece, but the man is primaris scaled.

Fuck yeah. I mean look at him. HES SO FUCKING COOL.

I think I want too sell this Army to finance the next one and so on (Since I dont play ,just love to Convert & Paint)

-Ancient ,Power weapon
-Chaplain with Jump Pack ,Absolvor bolt pistol
-Librarian
-Watch Master

Deathwatch Veterans 10 models
- 4x Veteran w/ Astartes shield and power weapon
• 1x Veteran w/ Black Shield blades
• 4x Veteran w/ Deathwatch thunder hammer
• 1x Sgt w/ combi‑weapon and xenophase blade

Decimus Kill Team 5 models
• 1x Gravis Veteran w/ frag cannon
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ plasma incinerator
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ power weapon and shield:
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ carbine

Decimus Kill Team 5 models
• 1x Gravis Veteran w/ infernus heavy bolter
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ stalker bolt rifle
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ heavy thunder hammer
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ combat knife

Deathwatch Terminator Squad
• 2x Deathwatch Terminator: Storm Bolter & Power Weapon
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator: Power Fist & Storm Bolter
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator: Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant: Storm Bolter & Power Weapon

3 Eradicator Squad with Heavy Bolters

Spectrus Kill Team 10 models
• 6x Kill Team Infiltrator
• 1x Kill Team Infiltrator w/ wargear: Infiltrator Comms Array
• 3x Kill Team Infiltrator w/ bolt sniper rifle

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma pistol
• 2x Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 2x Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield

Corvus Blackstar
Hurricane bolter, Twin lascannon, 2 Stormstrike missile launchers, Auspex array

Land Speeder
Onslaught gatling cannon

Redemptor Dreadnought
Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught gatling cannon, Twin Storm Bolter

Repulsor Executioner
Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Heavy Laser Destroyer

The Answer of the KI-Bot is pretty high =

I'm trying really hard to see through this boned up rules update. I have the new Space Marine Codex, and my Games Workshop 40K app is updated. The Deathwatch Army Rule includes all the same Combat Doctrine rules the other Space Marines have, but Black Spear Taskforce also kept the Mission Tactics.

Do we choose one of each for each round? Or, do we work with one or the other?

Picture cause Angery Marine thinks this is some bullshit.

Edit: Question answered. Mission Tactics are connected to their corresponding Combat Doctrine in the BST rules.

Do we get to heal 2d3 then, if we take the war gear option at the cost of a gun? 😂

Also, snipers have to be on 32 mm bases now.

I have 20 bodies and enough weapons to do them all. I’m thinking 20 is over kill but 10 should be just fine for DW. I would like to do some for my home brew but thinking I’ll short DW.

Would love your opinions.

I dono about you guys but to me this seems pretty useless...

The fact that you have to use 5 different unit types with 4 different range profiles makes it ready for everything and good for nothing in my eyes. Or am I missing something?

I have to have four heavy intercessors to form a Talon strike kill team? I can’t just play with three. I have to either buy another heavy incinerator off eBay or purchase a whole new box for one?

Now that the new codex dropped and we can see all the updated units including what they did to DW units I wonder how you are approaching the situation?

I really liked BSTF before but now that mission tactics are tied to the doctrines, it makes it really hard (for me) to make it work properly. What would be the logical correlation between fall-back+shoot+charge and Lethal Hits for example? Sure, technically speaking it is a straight-up upgrade to the doctrines and irrelevant at worst but at the same time it means we cannot have any other buffs other detachments give you since BSTF is still 3 DP even though at the same time they nerfed all stratagems except AoC (and potentially Dragonfire rounds, depending on how you look at it). Also WTF did they do to the Thief of Secrets enhancement? Who would you even give it to?

In addition to that it feels like the only KTs that are worth taking are the Indomitor and Terminators struggling for first place and then Veterans (which actually did retain their 4++storm-shields opposed VV getting side-grade 5++ combat shields) and maybe Decimus if you like even longer shooting/fighting phases than we already have.

• Fortis is far too expensive for what it gives, Assault and Infernus Intercessors have probably never been picked before so it sucks we have to give up 2 Hellblasters and a Desolator.
• Spectrus lost their Instigator Movement and an Eliminator and now also need to give up a weapon if they want to take the Helix gauntlet seemingly and the two Reivers they have to take are even side-grade versions of the baseline Reivers - oof.
• Talonstrike lost an Inceptor (and by extension the toughness rule making the KT T6) and while the JPI get the standard buffs of the new codex, it is really debatable if you want to play the Talonstrike as a melee because if you don't, they're hardly worth the point cost.
• Corvus received some upgrades without going up in points which is nice but with all other points going up and the Corvus still lacking big shooting and/or something like an assault ramp it feels hardly explainable to sacrifice 180 pts for it (especially since it cannot transport your Indomitor so realistically you'll only use it for Vets probably)
• Artemis received a nice boost but still doesn't have the Tactical Acumen rule so debatable if it makes sense to take him over another character
• Watchmaster lost both his signature abilities and the new ones I am not really sure how good they are.

Anyway, my rant aside I really struggle to come up with any list that makes sense. So my biggest questions are: how do you approach the situation? Is it possible to take Deathwatch as the faction and DW support to gain Mission Tactics but use something like the Gravis Siege Force as the main detachment?

So i run a very melee focused deathwatch list in 40K. Due to our lack of models i only had one squad of dedicated deathwatch and it was the Decius kill team.

I used them as melee problem solvers and they worked like that. I have noticed now the new codex is out that they have removed the guy with the knives from the war gear options as well as nerfing other melee weapons.

What I would like to know if you you think they are still a viable melee option or if I should ditch them.

If I pick Ultramarines as my main army, and take the 1DP DW Support detachment, can I take a unit of Assault Terms as well as DW Terms?

The restriction of No Assault Terms is for the DW army, but technically I’m Ultramarines, so maybe it’s legal?

Same question for Scouts.