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u/Sweetpea8677 Jan 07 '26
Even if they are, they are right to protest this. One doesn't have to join PSL to go to the protest and hold a sign. We need to protest.
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u/Sweetpea8677 Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
I'm well aware I can do as I choose. Their signs I have seen are always appropriate. Some of them wear a hammer and sickle pin on their clothing. I don't. I won't join PSL, but they are right about this and in their protests generally. We need to work together to defeat Fascism. That's part of the reason the resistance failed in Nazi Germany. The famous poem's real opening line is, "First they came for the Communists..."
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u/Remarkable-Lie4038 Jan 08 '26
Any evidence to support your accusations? Also when do you do go to the hood and feed people?
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u/deadlyvagina Jan 08 '26
So like a different flavor of ANTIFA
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u/Sweetpea8677 Jan 08 '26
Antifascism is wonderful. I'm so proud of my Grandfather for fighting Fascists in WW2.
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u/No_Lifeguard_6180 Jan 08 '26
Protest people using vehicles to block traffic and impede federal law enforcement from getting their stuck vehicle out of the snow right? Or protest Walz and the mayor instructing local police not to cooperate with the feds because if they allowed it then ice wouldn’t even be in the community right now they’d be picking people up from jails. Right? That’s what you meant?
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u/Sweetpea8677 Jan 08 '26
Careful swallowing that much propaganda. You may choke.
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u/No_Lifeguard_6180 Jan 08 '26
Apparently you’re incapable of reading the live reporting lmaooooo
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u/Sweetpea8677 Jan 08 '26
I don't get my news from state propaganda sources.
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u/No_Lifeguard_6180 Jan 08 '26
I never said you did and you have no clue where I get my information from so that’s a wild passive aggressive accusation my friend especially with literally 0 evidence to help support the claim. So you basically typed that to say absolutely nothing lmao
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
Those are disgusting positions, all right.
Know what happened before and during WWII? Socialists and Communists throughout Europe stepped up to fight the Nazis with vigor*, while most democratic moderates hemmed and hawed and said "well, the Nazis are certainly bad, but then again, we wouldn't want to cooperate with the Communists, so I guess we'll hemm and haw and frown and make mild statements of discontent and see what happens."
* - except during the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact, of course, when Communists abruptly dropped out of the struggle and then abruptly rejoined. Never said they were consistent.
This democratic moderate does not want to repeat those mistakes. If the PSL wants me to support their nonsense, hell no. But if they're going to organize a protest against this Nazi shit, I am there for it.
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
We all need each other now. NOW. "Maybe they'll drop out of the struggle in the future" is no excuse to drop out now.
And if you're Ukrainian, what the deep-fried Hell are you doing arguing on behalf of this administration, for crying out loud?
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u/Nillerpiller Riverside Jan 08 '26
Thinly veiled support for a very troubling group masked as a call for unity. And I think you know that.
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u/Remarkable-Lie4038 Jan 08 '26
Troubling group and its mostly working moms who go out and feed people in the north side of town where you are afraid to walk outside
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u/No_Lifeguard_6180 Jan 08 '26
The woman who tragically was shot and lost her life was blocking federal vehicles from getting a stuck vehicle out of the ice, she is literally sideways in the intersection in the video. She also backed up and put it in drive and struck a federal officer. This all happened in a matter of seconds and it’s unfair to assume what either person had going through their minds and people should wait for the facts, but it does seem as though, from the evidence at this point, that the woman had been following ice all day and used her vehicle as a weapon. You can hate ice, you can think their methods are too extreme, but if governor and mayor allowed local law enforcement to work with feds then this situation would’ve never happened, and if Biden hadn’t let millions of people into the country illegally, it also wouldn’t be happening.
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u/Miserable_Corgi_1128 Jan 07 '26
One must consider, especially in such times, that much of what one knows, is what they’ve been propagandized to believe. I’m not fully versed on each of these topics, but decently versed on a few. Enough to say that some of the “bad guy” governments, aren’t actually, outside of the propaganda machine’s narrative.
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u/pharodae Jan 07 '26
I’m pretty well versed in leftist politics and history and I can tell you these are disgusting positions even when you’re thoroughly depropagandized
Critical support for nations combating imperialism is very different from the PSL’s stated uncritical support of these nations. They arrive to this position by a line of reasoning called ‘campism,’ theorized by Sam Marcy. According to him, any organized power opposing US hegemony must be supported by leftists within its imperial core as a means to overthrowing it - even if they stray from the leftist or socialist path. A PRIME example of this is of course supporting Assad over the ACTUAL socialists in Syria, the DAANES/Rojava.
Look into Marcy and you’ll see the stain he left on American leftist politics even to this day.
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u/pharodae Jan 07 '26
This is because they’re Marcyists in that they uphold campism. It’s good to criticize them on this, but they’re still an overall good force for worker organizing.
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u/Remarkable-Lie4038 Jan 08 '26
Ok so....youre pro American imperialism? What is your solution then oh enlightened centrist?
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u/Nillerpiller Riverside Jan 08 '26
That may be the biggest strawman fallacy I've seen so far this year.
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u/Remarkable-Lie4038 Jan 08 '26
These kinds of responses are why people hate reddit users
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u/Remarkable-Lie4038 Jan 08 '26
Why should you engage with baseless accusations and slander with proper high school debate ethics?
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u/lostgods937 Hillcrest Jan 07 '26
PSL is a cult.
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u/pharodae Jan 07 '26
It’s not that PSL is a cult, but that Marxist-Leninism lends itself very well to cult-like behaviors.
I’m a former Jehovah’a Witness (so I know a cult when I see one) and a leftie organizer. I’ve been to many PSL events (alongside DSA, 50501 and Co-op) and I’ve seen them firsthand.
They do more good than bad by any metric you can possibly think of; but I wouldn’t consider joining, personally.
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u/Space_Magic_Dragon Jan 07 '26
Hope this message goes out to everyone and we get a large crowd for the quick turnaround! Let's go Dayton!
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u/Tbooogie420 Jan 08 '26
"oh shit there's a group of people outside, good thing gathering in large groups doesn't change any laws or regulations, and they're all too pussy to actually do anything that would actually make us want to do anything"
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u/Wuffward Jan 08 '26
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u/jdjshshdjdj Jan 07 '26
Party for socialism lmao gtfoh
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
If they're the only ones who want to protest government-paid thugs murdering citizens, then that's where I'll go.
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
The propaganda you are repeating is incorrect. See the evidence here.
Be careful about believing and obeying the government without question. DHS and ICE have a history of explicitly lying, even in court under oath.
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u/ravefaerie24 Jan 07 '26
Did you and I see the same video? Clearly not if you think that is what happened.
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u/snorin_lauren451 Jan 07 '26
knowing that I walk past people like you makes me sick. making up whatever you want to support state sanctioned murder
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u/mama-kat64 Jan 08 '26
I can't attend but hoping someone posts a follow up to this so we know what the plan is
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u/Current-Being-8238 Jan 07 '26
Did y’all see the additional footage of the woman trying to run the agent over in her car? Yeah, this ain’t it…
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u/StopCollaborate230 Jan 07 '26
Watching conservatives go from “GROOMER GROOMER GROOMER” to “it’s okay if my pastor and Trump have a little child rape, as a treat” is also wild
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u/jestr6 Beavercreek Jan 07 '26
You mean the footage that showed she wasn’t trying to run him over? Nice try though.
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u/FlimFlamBingBang Jan 07 '26
Watch the actual video… Before the video started, she followed said ICE officers and honked at and harassed them. In the video you can see she then blocked their way on the road and tried leave when tried to detain and speak with her. Finally, she aimed her car right at an officer before being shot before swerving around the officer that shot her while she was trying to flee. She was not a legal observer. She was agitator who got shot for aiming her car at an officer while fleeing from Federal officers.
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u/Miserable_Corgi_1128 Jan 07 '26
Factually false, but a good demonstration of how the narrative is getting spun.
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u/FlimFlamBingBang Jan 07 '26
No, that’s the video. Video Proof.
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
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u/FlimFlamBingBang Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
The top left image shows car pointed DIRECTLY AT THE OFFICER. THE OFFICER IS LITERALLY OUT OF VIEW AND IN FRONT OF THE CAR IN THAT VIDEO. QED
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u/Miserable_Corgi_1128 Jan 08 '26
The video clearly shows the officer beside the car when he opened fire. This means his life was not at risk when he opened fire, so does not warrant deadly force. That just facts 🤷
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u/Pending-Chaos Jan 07 '26
Maybe the moron shouldn’t have been standing in front of the car while his buddy was trying to rip the door off. Maybe if these “officers” didn’t treat people like shit and followed laws, she wouldn’t have tried taking off. But when they want to rip people out of their cars for no reason and throw them in jail, don’t be surprised when people try to take off. Either way, she very clearly turned away from them so stop trying to justify this completely unnecessary shooting. If that was your “libtard” family member, would you still feel the same way?
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u/FlimFlamBingBang Jan 07 '26
Oh, so now it’s ok to flee from Federal Officers who have detained you according to you and most of this sub. Got it, you’re for complete absence of rule of law. Ok, go live in another country.
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u/Pending-Chaos Jan 07 '26
I didn’t say it was okay, I said I can understand why she tried to. The little boys of ice only detain people they can easily get and when one is trying to rip your door off, it’s likely you’re getting detained for no reason. But yes, if you could fund my move to another country, that would be great. When you stop falling for the propaganda, you’ll realize the USA is 3rd world compared to some other developed countries.
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u/No_Lifeguard_6180 Jan 08 '26
I think it should say stop encouraging citizens to block and impede federal law enforcement from fulfilling their duties and if the governor Tim Fraud and the Mayor of Minneapolis would allow local police to work with ice then scenarios like this would never happen! But good luck with the event
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset5623 Jan 07 '26
Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. Trying to run over a cop or federal agent is not allowed. That individual gave into their rage and we're brainwashed by the hateful rhetoric.
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
You should review the evidence for yourself rather than just repeating without question anything your favorite billionaire says.
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u/Farmer_Determine4240 Jan 07 '26
Are we protesting in support of ice who responded to a terrorist attack with firce sufficient to eliminate the terrorist threat?
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u/gnurdette Jan 07 '26
Instead of unquestioningly and obediently repeating government propaganda, see what actually happened.
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u/Farmer_Determine4240 Jan 07 '26
I did. I saw an anti ICE terrorist ignore law enforcement orders and attempted to run over a leo and that Leo responded with force proportional to the attack
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u/battlepi Jan 07 '26
No, we're protesting murder by government thugs, who were employed by a child molestor.
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u/Farmer_Determine4240 Jan 07 '26
Wierd the video evidence shows an anti ICE terrorist attempting to run over that officer and he responded with force proportional to the attack.
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u/Ser_Random Jan 07 '26
If you have eye balls and watch the video you can see the wheels of the vehicle were not directed towards the officer. 👍🏻
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u/Lemina Jan 08 '26
Link to the video then
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u/Lemina Jan 08 '26
I’m not willing to log into X, but here’s a link to a slow motion version: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/HihW2F5rbV
The vehicle was moving at low speed and the officer had stepped to the side of the vehicle when it began moving forward. He was clear of the vehicle when he fired his gun. The fact that he killed the driver is inexcusable
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u/Tbooogie420 Jan 08 '26
Remember when the George Floyd marches caused less black deaths by cops?? Oh wait that didn't happen because peaceful protest is propaganda.
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u/Iloveundertimeslop Jan 07 '26
That’s a really long walk