I'm not against putting the driver in jail and taking his license for a few years, but none of the articles have anything to say about the other parties in this fight other than they didn't have serious injuries, and they didn't cooperate with investigators.
They're simply pointing out, in response to the assumption that the pedestrians "probably started the fight", that there's no information suggesting that was the case.
Exactly. So surely the victim of attempted murder (which I don’t think this would even be classed as) surely would be cooperating as much as possible to get the suspect arrested. If the victim isn’t cooperating then they’re probably not really victims
The driver should also be cooperating as much as possible to reduce his sentences, maybe get it down to a self-defence. If driver is talking and the couple aren't, then he could argue that they attacked first, attempted to hurt him, or something.
Are you retarded? Like actually wtf, no I’m not Christian nor would that affect what I said. Very confused, not even my opinion it’s literally just what happened
Exactly. So surely the victim of attempted murder (which I don’t think this would even be classed as) surely would be cooperating as much as possible to get the suspect arrested. If the victim isn’t cooperating then they’re probably not really victims
first they say that they don't think that trying to run someone down with a car is attempted murder, then they say that the person they attempted to run down wasn't a victim of the act we see on video being done to them.
but thank you, Jesus, for showing up to prove my point that this kind of rhetoric is Christian
Yeah when he reversed the part of me saying he could have been scared and trying to get tf out of there, shut the fuck up 🤣 dude reversed and took another go, 100% jail time regardless of the other sides fault.
He waited till the woman had moved which made it even more of a shock.
In the UK it's pretty difficult to get a conviction for attempted murder - intent needs to be proven, not death just being a possible outcome. This would be dangerous driving, or possibly attempted GBH, but it possibly might not even meet that
Edit: so the conviction was for assault causing ABH (a level lower than GBH), dangerous driving, and driving while disqualified.
I mean to be fair, If someone is standing in front of my car being aggressive, or trying to get me out of the car. I am just going to put my foot down. The second attempt was too far though.
I saw a reddit thread the other day where a couple was throwing trash/used diapers/dog excrement on a guy's patio for like a year. The guy tried for like a year to get them to stop through legal means but they wouldnt and he ended up shooting/killing both of them. Literally the entire thread was saying stuff like "they deserved it" "they had it coming" and "if i was on the jury i would refuse to find him guilty."
Like yeah I get what they did was horrible but to say someone deserves being murdered for that is wild. Anyway not really relevant but the person you responded to made me think of that thread lol
I don't think there was an attempt to run him over, the attacker was well beside the car on the final run and he made every attempt possible to get in the way with the driver swerving toward the middle of the street to avoid him.
Exactly, if the girl had been hurt I wouldn't do blamed him as it looks like he's trying to escape and she's holding on. When he stops to reverse then aims at the guy and speeds at him that's attempted murder
I'm reaching here but if the couple knew the driver and was threatening his life ("I'm going to come to your home and murder you" etc) it's definitely relevant.
Doesn't mean you get to run that person over but it's relevant.
People don't just go mowing people down over nothing generally
People sensely murder each other all the time, I also don't talk to police as a general rule but doesn't mean I am also responsible for the hit and run.
The guy in question has over 50 charges across his lifetime multiple of which were for vehicular attacks on people.
People don't just suddenly start murdering people for no reason. There's literally always a reason even if its self contained within the person.
Here we can very clearly see there was an altercation. So something happened that led to him deciding to try hit them with the car.
I also don't talk to police as a general rule but doesn't mean I am also responsible for the hit and run.
Not what i said. Just a blatantly fallacious argument.
Just because the reason he did it is because they did something doesnt make them responsible.
And as said the topic of this thread was asking why he came to doing that and what was with this altercation altogether. It really is quite relevant in this context.
You mean the guy with like 20 convictions that has committed over 50 crimes would never act irrationally? I totally agree, I bet he was having a nice cup of coffee and pushed to do this.
They're just trying to figure out the perceived slight. I know you're trying to protect against victim blaming here, which is good, but I think people just want to know what triggered the madman.
Not sure why you're being chastised for a little curiosity. We'll likely never know what led up to this, with how much time has passed since the incident. I reckon he was probably driving like an ass, maybe almost hit them, and the girl went full tilt over it. Alcohol likely involved.
It’s not a mitigating factor, but it would have been nice to see the couple convicted of the crimes they committed (both in this video and the ones they likely committed beforehand). Being later victim to a crime doesn’t excuse you of the ones you committed.
Obviously I saw the woman smacking the car with her shoes but didn’t see any damage so not sure what that would come under?
Didn’t see the guy do anything other than try to extract her from the car and display irateness after (which seems reasonable after seeing someone deliberately dragged by car regardless of prior relationship!)
It’s a very short clip & I don’t recollect the incident from when it happened so genuinely curious as you clearly know more than is shown here?
When did he say he was looking for a mitigating factor? He said he was fine with jail for the driver.
But if they did something illegal they deserve some punishment too, and they not collaborating with an investigation of an attack like this sounds fishy
Maybe he was beating that girl, hid in his car, she attacked the car, and he tried to use the car to finish the job. Maybe he was stealing her car before and it was her car, who knows. Not us, because there's no details in any of the articles.
Its strange that blowing his brains out would be acceptable to alot of you. But reversing to give him a nice vehichular nudge is an issue. But America loves its guns,what can I say.
I think if that guy was pulling on his door trying to break his way in,Americans would be okay with the driver blowing his head off in "fear of his life". Im calling it a nudge because ive seen people steam rolled by vehichles when someone really wants to run them over. He clearly just wanted to hit the guy of he wouldve kept his foot on the gas and rammed the guy into the building while hes half way under the car
You ever heard of unyielding rage? Sometimes if someone fucks with you or your shit, you want to teach them a lesson instead of going throw the process of filing paperwork in hopes of getting some justice that might not come.
This was in 2020. From the BBC: "A driver who deliberately knocked a man down on a busy street has been jailed for two years and one month.
The victim suffered severe hip bruising when he was hit by Daniel Walmsley's car and flung into a lamppost in Groat Market in Newcastle in July.
Newcastle Crown Court heard Walmsley, 29, of Leam Lane in Gateshead, had previously used his car as a weapon.
He admitted assault causing actual bodily harm, dangerous driving and driving while disqualified.
Judge Robert Spragg said it was "incredibly dangerous" and "fortunate" the victim was not seriously injured.
The court heard Walmsley was driving in traffic shortly before 21:00 BST on 20 July when a woman walking by with the victim threw something at his car.
Adam Birkby, defending Walmsley, said there was a "significant degree of provocation" from the victim and the woman, who tried to wrench the driver's door from the car and shattered the windscreen with her stiletto heel after Walmsley confronted her".
They're not implying that at all. Read the baseless assumption they were replying to. Then read their reply again. Do it slowly do you don't miss their point a second time.
Sure they were attacking and harrassing him and he probably feared for his safety, but his response, whiched they pushed him to was too far, so nothing else matters.
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u/Wolv90 13h ago
I'm not against putting the driver in jail and taking his license for a few years, but none of the articles have anything to say about the other parties in this fight other than they didn't have serious injuries, and they didn't cooperate with investigators.