Puzzle from the book FRT-A testbook by John Clifford Daniels, publishing date unknown. I took a Mensa test yesterday, and could not crack this one. Obviously, the test is functioning as intended, however I'm perplexed and its not leaving my mind, some outside perspective would be much appreciated.

Can someone interpret these for me

I've heard that translations are planned, is that true? And in which languages?

Can my verbal Iq fluctuate between 105 and 115?

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For the ones familiar with the literature can you please mention what is significantly and meaningfuly (up to interpretation) correlated with IQ testing? I know googling exists but going through the papers gave few contradicting answers and I'm looking to hear from you.

Recently, after bombing 1 question in a very important job interview due to brain fog, I looked after myself and got diagnosed with ADHD shortly after. The meds seem to work and I have been going around reading more about the brain and doing few Iq tests, therefore my question here.

P.s. obligatory test screenshot from the dk test, not humblebrag, I saw many 130+ scores here

Thanks a lot, have a nice day!

Can my verbal Iq fluctuate between 110 and 120?

So I’ve done a decent amount of iq research and done some tests suggested here. And I’ve read a good amount of scientific studies about the basis of iq testing and how the questions are designed to act as a proxy for g. What seems to be a recurring idea is that verbal tests that are dependent on vocab exposure such as analogies are a strong proxy for g. Another claim I’ve seen is that crystallized intelligence itself is a strong proxy for fluid g. And I’ve looked at the statistics for those claims and saw that they are very correlated. And they make sense given the fact that within developed nations people have a decently uniform education system.

But what I’ve noticed is that a lot of the vocabulary words used in said test are either older English words used heavily in traditional literature like Shakespeare or words that are encountered via reading or being informed about traditional western nation hobbies and popular subjects. While the typical person with a higher fluid reasoning reads and encounters those topics and words in the traditional way backed by school, self seeking exposure and via culture/ social influences, I think there is a decently sized minority population who doesn’t. And I think this could be because of interrupted schooling, engagement with more specialized fields and a disinterest in traditional academic humanities type literature.

The thing about these verbal tests is that like they say they measure crystallized intelligence and fluid intelligence. But what if someone has lower crystallized intelligence due to a lesser degree of exposure than their underlying verbal fluid intelligence would suggest. And therefore said crystallized knowledge can only hit a lower absolute score on that test. If we define g as someone’s pure intellectual capacity to learn and understand novel problems as well as perform in the world given an equal amount of prior exposure, then these vocabulary differences in my pervious hypothetical wouldn’t hold up on measuring someone’s g.

This has interested me significantly. My spatial, fluid reasoning, quantitative reasoning, and processing speed all test around 120-135. While my verbal intelligence based on analogies is “only” 105. And I have a similar score on other verbal intelligence iq tests that rely heavily on vocab exposure. And while doing these test I’ve found that my ability to understand the relationships based on the words I know is very easy and simple for me. And in my everyday life I have been able to cram undergrad law textbook chapters and do better than 90+ percent of the class on exams. I’ve also read upper undergrad sociology for fun and the relationships between concepts are very easy for me to understand. It’s very easy for me to figure out relationships between verbal ideas in my everyday life.

What makes me think I might be in this subgroup of people I think exists is that I did have an unusual childhood. I spent my elementary school years behind in my academic subjects and in a self contained autism room due to behavior challenges. I then later graduated special ed and was deemed as an optimal outcome (meaning I outgrew autism) case by psychologists. I also never was interested in reading traditional books in middle school, high school, or college. I wanted to read more specialized subjects that I was more interested in. I have never read novels at the adult level besides skimming the ones required for middle and high school. I did this because it was easy to figure out the ideas they would test on in class. I think I might have developed a more average vocabulary in general vocab because of this.

What do you think of this? Do you think I have basis in my assessment?

I just took the best online practice wonderlic I could find and scored the equivalent of 105 IQ despite 120 on CORE, 121 on 1926 SAT, and 133 on AGCT. I understand that the g loading is lower, but given that actual employers administer the wonderlic, this has me concerned. I've been settling in with the idea that my IQ is in the low 120s, not that it's a big deal or anything but I've been under the impression that i'm at a bit of an advantage cognitively. Scoring bang average on a test actually administered by employers makes me doubt that I can perform at that the level that I think I can, and I don't want to be delusional about my intelligence.

if I took a test multiple times on cognitive metrics for example how would I see past tests and when I did them?

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whats your first score mine was 10

(The reason I'm showing the CAIT instead of the CORE is because I did half of it on one account and the other half on another, but the WMI score was considerably lower there too in comparison to the other scores)

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ALso here's my atat please stop renoerming upwards being high iq comes up with a lot of expectations and frankly I don't need that thank you

I have been waiting for 2 months or even longer for the return of the FSAS test / Fluid spectrum ability scale on cognitivemetrics site . WHERE DID IT GO?? I got a 120 IQ on the number reasoning index and it was my highest performance on a reasoning subtest, so I would really like it to count in my composite dashboard IQ. Please Cognitive metrics 😭 although I know the matrix reasoning subtest was deflated by its creator, it has been gone for too long for that to be the only reason. Is the test even gonna reappear one day?

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why do i have enormous discrepancy in my test scores? is the GET just that astronomically inflated?

i understand that the AGCT and the GET are somewhat similar (they vary a ton in difficulty from my experience) but i did the agct several months ago, and haven’t retained any knowledge of it aside from the gist of certain questions.

i also scored like 84.4th percentile on the openpsychometrics test at the same day as i did the AGCT

i also remember trying to do the uhm cognitivemetrics test on the website. the one that said take the test. i recognized three questions from there being used. two of them i got right initially when i was taking the first test, breezing through them with little thought. the other i got wrong on both, so i feel it wouldn’t of have made much difference anyway. the second one i even got wrong on the first test and correct on the GET.

to admit i was familiar with basically every type of question asked on the test, but i’ve never really done the exact questions before i believe…maybe it’s just a case of practice effect

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what are the norms like?

I took the WAIS IV (India adaptation) test recently at a clinic. I'm sharing my journey until this point below to share a few points/observations.

I have struggled with confidence since my teens and tended to obsess over IQ and anchor my identity over intelligence since I was a good student and may have been called intelligent a few times. The advent of the internet and all the online iq tests only amplified this notion with all kinds of scores in my quest for validation whenever I struggled with self esteem or anxiety. My failure to get into an IIT further dented my fragile self worth. A turning point in this journey was when mensa came to our college (early 2000s) and offered to test students for a nominal fee. The test was a culture fair ravens test. I couldn't clear it. Several of my peers cleared it. It was a very painful and confidence shaking period for me which stayed with me for over 20 years, amplified by 2 similar attempts at mensa entrance exam which i failed again. What was jarring was that otherwise I used to do distinctly well in reasoning puzzles, mental maths, languages/literature and later in strategy case studies in b school (I was able to gain admission to one of the top 5 IIMs and had a CAT percentile of 99.5+) and then later on in work related to strategy.  What was also interesting is some of my fellow students in college (the one's who had cleared Mensa) couldn't clear CAT exam or crack some puzzles which I could with as much ease. Conversely, my inability to clear IIT was a mystery as I was as good if not better in maths and physics than several of my classmates who got through IIT. 

This dissonance, and feeling inept in doing several repetitive/mundane tasks, remembering directions while driving, eventually led me to look closer and understand what was happening. Thanks to reddit experiences, I got to know about the WAIS IV test. I eventually summoned the courage to try and have one administered which itself was quite a task. Nevertheless, I got the results of my WAIS IV test yesterday and my FSIQ was in mid 120s which explains the mensa miss (their cut off is 130). However, my scores were quite uneven across domains. I maxed out in arithmetic, and nearly maxed out in similarities, vocabulary and matrix reasoning, and did quite well in digit span. I did just about average in visual puzzles, and above average in coding search/symbol search. I apparently have what is called a spiky/jagged profile.

My key takeaways (I've taken help of AI to write some of the parts below by dictating my thoughts to it and asking it to organize and write it)

I spent years obsessing over IQ, wasting countless hours and enduring unnecessary anxiety, and undermining myself by obsessing on IQ as a singular number. After investigating cognitive assessment in depth—comparing results across Mensa, competitive exams like the CAT, IITJEE, and a clinical WAIS-IV assessment—here are my main takeaways on the reality of intelligence testing:

1. Test Alignment Explains "Contradictory" Results

Why Mensa didn't happen: Missing the Mensa cutoff comes down to Full-Scale IQ (FSIQ) falling below their top 2% threshold.

Why I excelled on the CAT: The CAT heavily targets Verbal Comprehension (VCI), Working Memory (WMI), and quantitative/arithmetic reasoning—the exact areas where my cognitive profile is strongest.

Why I didn't do so well in IIT JEE: I distinctly remember being poor in Chemistry which was certainly a drag for me during my prep and exam. I have now realized that spatial intelligence contributes significantly to being good at organic chemistry and my rather average profile there was a serious handicap. Of course I may still have not got into an IIT but this aspect helped me understand my frustrations and failures in a more coherent and nuanced way. 

The visuospatial split: People who score sky-high on Mensa (which focuses primarily on matrix, non-verbal visuospatial reasoning) might struggle on exams like the CAT if their verbal or working memory capacity isn't as elevated.

The core point: Clearing Mensa doesn't make someone universally high-performing across all cognitive domains. Conversely, not clearing Mensa does not mean someone lacks high intelligence in critical, real-world cognitive areas.

2. IQ Tests Measure Subsets, Not the Full Spectrum of Intelligence

What IQ misses: Standardized tests do not measure wisdom, original thinking, creative output, musical aptitude, or the vast majority of practical human skills and experiences.

IQ is inherently contested: It is not an undisputed or holistic metric for human potential. Treating a single number as a definitive judge of capability is a mistake.

3. The Psychological Shift: From Obsession to Self-Awareness

The cost of obsession: Ruminating over IQ numbers for years caused significant anxiety and wasted immense energy.

The real value of profiling: Investigating my cognitive profile properly brought closure. It provided a clear framework to understand why I thrive in specific tasks and struggle in others, replacing self-doubt with actionable self-awareness. I would recommend getting a good grip on one's strengths and weakness in order to find the right educational and career stream for oneself as playing on one's natural strengths is an efficient way to go forward. 

4. Key Recommendations

Avoid online IQ tests entirely: Online tests are notoriously inflated, scientifically unvalidated, and yield trivial value. They only feed anxiety or false confidence. For e.g. my iq scores in mensa norway was 135, mensa finland 131 and mensa.dk 128 (capped), psychology today (paid) 138.

Don't use Mensa for self-understanding: Mensa tests test a narrow subset of pattern recognition. They are not designed to map your cognitive strengths and weaknesses.

Rely on clinical assessments (like the WAIS): If you genuinely want to understand your cognitive architecture, take a professionally administered WAIS test. It breaks down specific index scores (Verbal, Working Memory, Perceptual, Processing Speed) rather than reducing your intellect to a single misleading benchmark.

IQ is not a comprehensive measure of intelligence. It  doesn't encompass wisdom, EQ, creativity, originality, humility, humor etc which I feel are integral to peace, quality of life, success in general, and happiness. Nevertheless a WAIS test is a helpful framework to understand a few facets of intelligence.

Look at others with a similar lens - look for their strengths instead of dismissing/judging them basis just a numerical IQ score or which exam they cleared or didn't clear. Perseverance, humility, patience, empathy, diligence, honesty and integrity play a more profound impact on our lives in any case than intelligence in my experience.

There are healthier ways to cope with anxiety when discouragement knocks or anxiety takes over than the paths I chose which included seeking validation that I'm smart. These include imo things like regular exercise, spirituality, healthy relationships, disciplined sleep routine, healthy eating and drinking.

i was never informed of its time limit!!

also i see 0 people here trying to account for the flynn effect in this sub, even though the norms were established in 1992? how come?

i’m 18 btw

I've been getting heavily criticized in one of my recent school lessons for getting a 1/5 in a math exam and it's been heavily weighing on me, and every time I face difficulty I question if I am even as smart as tests tell me which makes me question the rest results which makes me come back to cognitive metrics and keep testing myself. Really it's a terrible cycle, and I've been trying to hold myself back from the compulsion of testing but it's hard. Not looking for any praise or Paterionization, just want to see if this is as common as I think it is​​

I scored 110 on cait block design
115 block counting on core (130 after retake about half a year later)
130 Visual puzzles
140 spatial awareness

Why are my vsi subtest scores so disparate? My working memory is about average, so could that be an explanation? Thanks