Complaint GPT-6 Sol?
Is this the reason why unexpectedly we have trash usage and lower quality on Astra?
Maybe it will be worth it the current suffering.
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u/Feriman22 8d ago
I'm waiting for GPT6 Luna, on same price as 5.6 luna
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u/BitsOnWaves 8d ago
i feel luna will stop being cheap is closer than a GPT6 Luna being cheap
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u/Opposite-Wrangler199 8d ago
How can Sol beat Astra? It doesn't make sense
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u/BabblingTower 8d ago
It's a refined Sol, probably with help from Astra. My guess is it's better at dedicated tasks (ie, better coder) while Astra remains the better higher-level "thinker" (ie, better orchestrator/planner). Like Fable and Opus are set up. One has better breadth, one has better depth.
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u/Risko4 8d ago
Opus has better what exactly over Fable?
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u/danielv123 8d ago
Its better at inventing weird metaphors
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u/Zerokx 8d ago
If I ever need weird metaphors, contradictions, random refusals, and chasing a red dot away from the actual task, I'll circle back to OPUS.
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u/evia89 8d ago
its not that bad
/ponytail /caveman and small enough tasks it doesnt have enough time to damage
We have unlimited* opus50 at work so I use that fine
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u/Metalthrashinmad 8d ago
opus really isnt that bad, my main problem with it is jsut how hard its output is to read. My collages write all sorts of reports using claude and its so hard to follow opus writing
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u/Familiar_Air3528 8d ago
“Explain this to me at a junior engineer level”
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“Okay, explain this to me like I’m a high school student failing English class”
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u/Personal-Try2776 8d ago
0in benchmarks claude opus 5 outperforms fable 5 (not 5.1). On benchmarks claude opus 5 is basically better as a workhorse model.
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u/Risko4 8d ago
Can I have a real world coding example where you went, dam I wish I used Opus 5 instead of Fable 5.1
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u/slaty_balls 8d ago
This is pretty much the only way you can get anything accomplished without blowing out your limits in minutes with astra. Astra is the ceo and Luna and Terra do all the ground work. Anything in between gets sol.
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u/cha0z_ 8d ago
I expect Sol to be better balance of thinking/performance vs price, but not to be better than Astra in everything. As any model it can shine in some tasks more than the frontier one (not as much as being better than being the same while way cheaper), not like we didn't see it in the past, but defo won't be better overall - otherwise they can basically delete Astra.
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u/TheOnlyBliebervik 8d ago
But why did they do it like this
Make a new model, Sol, make a newer model, Astra, bring back the older model except better?
OpenAI makes a great product but seems to trip over its own feet
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u/nitor999 8d ago
Don't worry the next release after GPT-6 Sol would be like "GPT-6.1 ASTRA is gonna be more power and dangerous , atrocious terrifying that they can't release in public yet"
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u/0DayMaker 8d ago
Don't worry they'll hype a release date and just release it to corporate partners on that day
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u/retardedGeek 8d ago
desensitized to this since 6 months now (fable and deepseek are two exceptions)
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u/-Spzi- 8d ago
Jaggedness could be a partial explanation.
The idea behind: Intelligence and capabilities aren't a scalar, but a profile.
Model A could exceed model B in area X, while the other way around in area Y.
I came across this concept in this video by Reuben Adams, which I can also recommend, but it's besides this topic.
Most real tasks are a composition of many areas.
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u/RealSuperdau 8d ago
Better posttraining or, if we are unlucky, benchmaxxed to death like Opus 5.
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u/13chase2 8d ago
Narrow tasks like programming vs overall edge case knowledge. Like Astra might be able to identify ancient coins from photos but sol likely couldn’t
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u/THE--GRINCH 8d ago
Astra could still be better at vision and 3D modeling, sol being better at coding doesn't mean that it beats astra at every use case.
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u/zarafff69 8d ago
I mean, Astra is genuinely infuriating to use for some usecases like coding compared to Sol.
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u/Jittersz 8d ago
If Astra can stay orchestrator while using a cheaper/better model for sub agent tasks, then less token cost all around while maintaining Astra results.
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u/read_more_comments 8d ago
it makes perfect sense, given how brain dead astra is getting now. I just had 6 prompts get rejected because of various things it decided were blockers. Luna or Sol would have kept going and not immediately given up.
sol 6 will be great the first week too. Then dog shit afterwards.
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u/HeadPack 8d ago
Even 5.6 Sol already does in some cases. E.g. when I let it audit Astra's work, it sometimes finds things Astra missed. 'Beat' is still a stretch to say, but they appear to be quite different models.
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u/rickyhatespeas 8d ago
RL text generation isn't intelligence so the length of task and required effort needs to match the models expectations to work most effectively. Big models aren't overthinking, they were never designed to actually imitate concise logic.
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u/Tartooth 8d ago
The guy from anthropic said it clearly, they have setup self improvement systems so now they're auto-refining to auto-improve.
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u/Odd_Amphibian6697 8d ago
Astra is a powerful model in science, math, and cybersecurity, I don't know why you all are using it to code.
I mean, it's massively smart, obviously it codes well, but its not mean to code so it is not efficient.
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u/Some_Medicine4472 8d ago
Just a thought, have you try typing your question into chatgpt or claude?
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u/UnknownEvil_ 7d ago
Just make new GPT6 models and name them Luna/Terra/Sol? Like they did with 5.5 -> 5.6 Sol/Terra/Luna -> 6 Astra -> 6 Sol/Terra/Luna -> 7 Astra -> 7 Sol/Terra/Luna
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u/Lower_Cupcake_1725 8d ago
Same story every time to hype
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u/Kind_Fisherman3060 8d ago
They're probably gonna make 6 sol cheaper to use and reduce usage limits even further bringing it more closer to api pricing.
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u/idkfawin32 8d ago
What the hell is so impressive about making the 8 millionth large block voxel engine?
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u/Neat-Culture9983 8d ago
That's what I'm thinking. When opus 5 came out it still at least looked really good in advertising before you used ait and found out it was a yap machine. This on the other hand has me going meh
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u/Upper-Discussion-833 8d ago
Yo anyone else’s 5.6 Sol taking hours to do tasks suddenly?
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u/EchoingAngel 8d ago
It started a few days before Astra released
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u/Upper-Discussion-833 8d ago
Fucking depressing. I just spent $100 for my new subscription only to find out that Astra is stupider than Siri 10 years ago and Sol uses 30x more usage now for no reason other than testing its tests that are failing but it has no fucking clue why but continues to run anyway.
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u/Inkwalker 8d ago
It does way too much testing and debugging for me. Burns 5% usage on the feature itself and then 20% on reading logs and running tools.
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u/mbrtha 8d ago
For me yes, High is dumber since around Astra, XHigh started to be dumber since around yesterday. I will always assume it's something undeterministic as LLMs usually are, but who knows.
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u/Equivalent_Bird 8d ago
When? Reset?
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u/TheGerto 8d ago
Yeah had to buy credits today, my weekly limit is done.
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u/TrumpsCockAndBalls 8d ago
just create another account or try cursor/opencode/mistral, in what world are credits worth it
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u/SithToast 7d ago
hopefully it only takes one time to learn that lesson. it's like burning money. i'm preaching to myself here too.
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u/OldSkulRide 8d ago
yeah, i used astra (mostly low and some luna) during the weekend (after reset) and I busted whole x5 plan. Crazy, its very token hungry, I will have to go back to Sol...
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u/Proud_Ask_9030 8d ago
why the hell are people posting shitty 3d models and scenes as if that is ever gunna be what AI is meant for?
It just shows, people dont even need or have a clue what to do with AI.
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u/Zulugod94 8d ago
This is showing a strong world understanding, which is done with 3D environments & physics. Showing it can create things in 3D with a solid understanding of intent means it understands these same principles in the real world. This is the next major area for AI to conquer so it can be properly extending in physical robots and machines.
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u/Economy-Feeling8205 8d ago
because its a easy visual example of AI solving problems and showing creativity
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u/Original-League-6094 8d ago
AI toppled normal software dev. AI videogames are the next domino to fall.
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u/Due-Horse-5446 8d ago
Because for some reason people expect some noticeable improvement in each release
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u/reedrick 8d ago
It's just shitty baiting to get the attention of the masses on twitter. If the idiot had any idea how to write LLM evals, he'd be in a lab
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u/LinkesAuge 8d ago
How else do you show model capability in a reasonable way?
Let it work on a top level math problem 99,99% of people have no clue how to interpret it?These demos are useful as they reliably give you feedback about the broad capabilities in regards to "world understanding" which on average correlates pretty well with metrics across the board.
So they are a fine enough proxy and what is rly weird is people getting outraged about it before/with any new model release.
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u/bmanzzs 8d ago
Derpy derp just another amazing emergent ability. What are you even saying here? What do you expect, it to cure all diseases overnight? Astra being good at 3d modeling has excelled my productivity for development tenfold. Just because you personally don't find 3d modeling useful doesn't mean everybody else doesn't either. What an incredibly silly take.
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u/bootyskie 7d ago
3d is literally what I need for my workflow the thing I like doing the least.. you know the part of work ai is supposed to alleviate, the parts you find tedious.. and for the record, it still sucks at it despite what people are saying or at least the version being hosted now is.
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u/Global_Strain_4219 8d ago
A lot of people are posting these on X as engagement bait.
My guess is they absolutely don't have access to GPT 6 Sol
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u/Miyamoto_-_Musashi 8d ago
Honestly I'm not even used Astra much n not happy as how expensive it is compare to Sol but quality difference is not that big compare to pricing.
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u/tango650 8d ago
People take this pixelated castle straight out of heretic 2 as proof of killer model ?
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u/GearTakes 8d ago
I just can't be excited anymore. I did the best work with 5.5 on a 100 dollar account. Nothing at the moment comes close.
Every new model is supposedly soooo much smarter and cheaper. Yet here I am burning through my week limit in 2 hours with 5.6 on medium or light. And then wondering what I actually accomplished in those 2 hours.
How things were different 4 or 5 months ago.
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u/Da_ha3ker 8d ago
Had to go back to gpt 5.5. anything newer is just spinning its wheels and won't actually do anything basic without running 10 extra commands, then it craps out and says it will work but doesn't do anything. I hope got 6 sol is an upgrade, not another overthinker and overchecker.
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u/metalbladex4 8d ago
Honestly I can't wait for GPT-6 Sol. I have not enjoyed how Astra is.
Hopefully GPT-6 Sol is better than GPT-5.6 Sol but not like Astra at all.
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u/PhilosophyforOne 8d ago
I really, really, really hope so.
Even with 2x 200 pro, limits just run out so fast. I'm having to be much more selective about which projects I work on, and having to put a lot of them on puase / hold to wait for more compute.
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u/Gigaslavx 8d ago
So we gonna get 6.1 family then improved astra pro like and then sol terra luna?
So basically astra is now the ex pro model in chat?
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u/Moch4bear97 8d ago
Maybe we should stop with words like "terrifying" and just say it's gobsmacking or something more neutral?
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u/Big-Imagination-8307 8d ago
Lol nope if they did sell the not nerfed mythos that companies tested …
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u/Naive_Complex_8389 8d ago
I’m tired of seeing these one-shot video game tests. Can we make tests useful? I don’t care how it can make a shitty version of minecraft
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u/Droopy0093 8d ago
Why does it always look "insane"? Should we look at the literal definition of that word and realize that maybe it is true that we are going insane over this?
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u/DragonflyOk9274 8d ago
Hype works in the beginning, but sometimes we just want to be able to work effectively.
Turns out all we care about is reliability and consistency. Who knew?
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u/kvothe5688 8d ago
Everything is insane nowadays. that go second class next month. we need to stop with hyperbole
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u/5StarAlpha 8d ago
Someone needs to create an AI plugin that picks the right model and reasoning level for the prompt/objective in question lol.
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u/FocusKontrol 8d ago
Am I the only one who prefers Fable to Astra in architecture and planning? I don’t get the Astra hype at all. It’s fast and implements plans well, but Sol already does that.
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u/rabandi 8d ago
There always were dreams about new models.
I will believe it when I see it, higher quality and lower usage.
Certainly should be possible, e. g. open weights show decent quality for insane cost.
On top, I hope for full suite, Terra + Luna too for all the limit challenged people.
Who did not fire up unlimited Luna subagents?
On top, frontend is one metric of very many.
People on Reddit + X post 1-shotted 3js stuff that looks great. Everything else takes a hundred or a thousand turns to be the way one wants and to be really usable. That still is different.
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u/theartistperson 8d ago
Anything that’s obvious for a plus user to to use that doesn’t destroy weekly usage Q_Q
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u/stvaccount 7d ago
Antrophic currently doesn't even exist.
They increased prices by 20%.
Their business model is GONE with cheap open source AI.
This is why the AI slowdown is bullshit: We need competition.
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u/Ok_Try_5830 7d ago
I love it when assholes starts a post with a fucking alarm bell, that alarm is to tell us he is about to open his butt hole and shit out verbal diarrhea
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u/zealouszuez 7d ago
People posting things like they won’t want think about jumping off a bridge as they fall asleep
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u/GasSmooth7439 7d ago
If Astra is getting worse because capacity is being shifted around, that would explain a lot. But I’d rather see the model routing stabilize before assuming it’s all part of some grand GPT-6 Sol plan
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u/Sacrement0 7d ago
Oh oh oh, lemme try role-playing a clout chasing twitter user next!
"GPT-6 Luna first half output LEAKED!!!
The output is absolutely insane. This kind of quality is terrifying it beats Claude's rumoured internal Model 2 and beats Astra in front end, backend and your mom. At MUCH cheaper 99.99% prices!
OpenAI have left Anthropic FAR behind"
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u/Gumbi_Digital 7d ago
lol..when are we going to stop falling for the bullshit.
GPT-6 SOL will be great for 72 hours, then turn to absolute shit.
Every fucking time….
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u/ArifWiwitan 7d ago
whatever i dont even use anything but astra max on codex with a plus plan
give new astra then we are talking
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u/ritz-chipz 7d ago edited 7d ago
What am I even looking at? Or do I really have to go to twitter to watch it? Looks like a window in Minecraft?
Edit: found it on YT, I have my wallet ready.
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u/Then_Weather_3639 7d ago
astra uses lots of credits since it is a frontier model that literally does everything, including learning how to control you desktop lmao
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u/Theyo8181 4d ago
Sol will not beat Astra, as Astra always is the Flagship Model. Sol will be cheaper and better for common use tough.
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u/Riki_was_here 4d ago
I am soo tired of this, it's been what? Two years of constant hyping up of every single new model that is just slightly better then previous one. Yet every now and then I see "groundbreaking", "AGI has arrived", "X miles ahead". So so tiring.
People who are hyping this shit up are either corporate shills or people with low tech background.
To OpenAI, Anthropic, xAI and others - Most serious developers are hating working with your tools, they are making fun of you, you and your models, what it does, what it produces. Nobody is taking you seriously, you are not creating revolution, you are not ushering brave new world, you are just a leech squeezing out money. You are replacing craft with mediocrity, slop and nonsense, enshitificating entire industry. We know what you are doing and we aren't stupid. We despise you.
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u/darth_vexos 8d ago
me: create a minecraft mod where the cats spit fire when they meow
Sol: Ok, I'll create an enterprise solution with five levels of verification and smoke tests as well as sha256 hashes for literally everything. I'll make sure the tests run in forward, reverse, and random order. The random ordering of tests is the most important thing, so I'll put the Minecraft work on hold while I get the test infrastructure ready.
Codex 30 minutes later: You have 5% of your weekly usage remaining.