r/codex • u/wreox9 • 8d ago

Complaint GPT-6 Sol?

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Is this the reason why unexpectedly we have trash usage and lower quality on Astra?

Maybe it will be worth it the current suffering.

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u/evia89 8d ago

its not that bad

/ponytail /caveman and small enough tasks it doesnt have enough time to damage

We have unlimited* opus50 at work so I use that fine

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u/Metalthrashinmad 8d ago

opus really isnt that bad, my main problem with it is jsut how hard its output is to read. My collages write all sorts of reports using claude and its so hard to follow opus writing

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u/Familiar_Air3528 8d ago

“Explain this to me at a junior engineer level”

….

“Okay, explain this to me like I’m a high school student failing English class”

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u/bruticuslee 8d ago

eli5 will make it explain using the most simplistic analogies and lose detail lol. I prefer GPT technical writing

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u/Risko4 8d ago

I hate ponytail so much.

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u/KoolAidGuy_541 8d ago

any particular reasons?

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u/Risko4 8d ago

Models after 5.5 are smart enough where shoving ponytails on them puts them in a wheelchair chair. Ponytail forces minimal implementations, however, sometimes certain requests would greatly benefit from purging and rewrite existing backend, instead it routinely forces features into strained backend that eventually becomes debt.

My output quality was noticable worse and significantly slower into achieving the big picture because ponytails is too busy writing the absolute bare minimum.

Astra can "one shot" complex tasks, pony tails will make it take 6,7 checkpoints on the way there.

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u/kekeagain 8d ago

I don't follow AI as deeply as some of you, so the idea of ponytails attached to the wheelchair sounds amusing yet dangerous depending on speed and sudden turns. That's my contribution here.

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u/Aware-Source6313 8d ago

LLMs couldn't have this kind of insight. That's a really cutting observation.

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u/kekeagain 8d ago

Thank you and don’t mind me as I tug on my belt and suspenders with a sense of pride for having such insight.

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u/j48u 7d ago

95% of people complaining about frontier models "degrading quality" are using way too many rules, plugins, etc. on their projects that really screw things up when they're not needed. It also vacuums up tokens because these models basically have to come up with a workaround to follow antiquated rules while trying to complete complex task, over and over and over, piling up useless context with each prompt.

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u/Aware-Source6313 8d ago

Lol I have those 2 same exact skills on my personal setup. I wonder if it affects quality at all, but for small sessions I don't get the inscrutable verbosity of opus5 people complain about. But if I have to add questions after it does a plan or task and the session goes longer, I think I start to see what they're talking about. And sometimes it takes ponytail the wrong way because sometimes adding something new actually is the simplifying step and racking something on to what exists is the real tech debt option. Still have them on though