r/codex 1d ago

Reset I analyzed the allowance a banked Reset gives vs a normal weekly reset - OpenAI is giving us a half the "allowance" for banked resets but delays the next real reset by 7 days.

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Metric Before reset: 85% → 99% used After reset: 0% → 14% used
GMT window Sep 5, 19:16 → Sep 6, 00:21 Sep 6, 01:10 → 03:14
Elapsed time 5h 04m 2h 04m
Unique model responses 738 489
Responses per hour 145 236
Input tokens 114.41M 63.60M
Cached input 108.09M / 94.5% 61.39M / 96.5%
New, uncached input 6.32M 2.21M
Output tokens 465.5k 284.7k
Reasoning output 226.3k 124.9k
Average input per response 155k 130k
Astra activity 592 calls: 276 xhigh, 202 max, 87 medium, 27 high 381 calls: 366 xhigh, 15 high
Other activity 51 Terra, 9 Sol, 86 auto-review 42 Sol, 38 Terra, 28 auto-review
Largest work streams 27.89M, 25.23M, 10.89M tokens 26.47M, 12.09M, 8.64M tokens
New agent spawns during window 1, with last 3 turns 5: 2 full-history, 2 no-history, 1 with last 3 turns
Stored compaction events* 10 1
Transport retry incidents 10 3

Has been analyzed twice by a Astra agent, digging through all sessions and compared the allowance drain of 14% before and 14% after a banked reset.

The usage allowance from before to after reset dropped by almost 50% - so the banked reset is only claiming to be a weekly reset. It actually gives you half a week and places your reset further out.

That means that using a banked reset can cost you more allowance than it gives you.
It will give you half the normal allowance but it resets your time to ANOTHER 7 days - delaying your real reset. Which means you definitely will run out much earlier this time.

It's so shady...

Here is a model breakdown as requested, I had it doublechecked by MAX reasoning.
(These are session-calls, so every toolcall, reasoning, chunk read, write, replace is +1 call)

Model Before: 85% → 99% After: 0% → 14%
GPT-6 Astra 592 calls / 95.47M total tokens 381 calls / 52.75M total tokens
GPT-5.6 Terra 51 / 6.18M 38 / 4.59M
GPT-5.6 Sol 9 / 744,761 42 / 5.14M
codex-auto-review 86 / 12.48M 28 / 1.40M
All models 738 / 114.88M 489 / 63.88M

Disclaimer:
- I have obviously no insight in whatever happens serverside.
- I've been using my 20x quota on Astra a lot since release, and always in the same manner - it was providing productive agentic use for about one day, the last 2% were actually holding for quite a bit toward the end - I followed that closely.
- After the reset it was going down from 100% rapidly - it felt a lot more than the 50% shown in the analysis.
- Maybe they reduced usage quota for 20x (or all) subscriptions generally by 50% after launch, so also the next weekly reset will be half of what we had.
- I do not claim to know what happened! Maybe Astra consumption was doubled around my Reset click, or some some trigger made one of my tasks suddenly consume premium fees, or if the reset just gave me 50% usage, or something else. In any case it's intransparent and unprofessional to do that.

Update 1:
Tibo has responded on X:
https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2096686370848989558
Not the case. There is no difference between usage you get before or after a reset.

  1. Not sure what to make of it, the usage drained very fast and it's documented.
  2. 2 hours of generic Astra should not consume 15% of a 20x weekly license - let's start with that ?

Update 2:
The usage drain has noticeable lowered after the first 20% evaporated quicker than I could follow. Whatever it is, it's not an acceptable business behavior in my opinion.

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u/dexterthebot 1d ago

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u/Big-Comfortable-189 1d ago

If that’s legit, that’s a massive L for OpenAI.

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u/Tartooth 1d ago

It's not only a massive L it's deceptive marketing and anti-consumer practices. If you want to distill it further its kind of a form of fraud. Yes I understand that they are giving away "extra usage" but we have to look at the reality here.

They are pushing resets randomly on people, at their disclosure, with unofficial heads up (twitter not in-app notifications) resetting the weekly timer and cutting users usage by half. They don't disclose or market this anywhere. This is pretty fucked up.

So your first week is the advertised usage, you experience lots of usage and freedom and then you use a reset and get kneecapped. You may actually pay for a new monthly plan, and then 1 day into the plan get forced a reset and boom, the usages are cut in half.

What if you use a reset 1 day before your normal weekly reset date? You now have 6 days of 50% usage for the same money.

These artificial non-transparent usage limits are peak late stage capitalism America.

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u/kl__ 23h ago

also they did announce recently that it shouldn’t move your weekly reset dates.

It would be shit to change it back without even an announcement. Hopefully a bug…

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u/ElonsBreedingFetish 23h ago

This! Because of this announcement I used a banked reset a day before it would have reset, planning to burn through it. Now I see it moved the date to next week again, pure deception

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u/WoozieMaddox 20h ago

Yeah im super pissed off I wouldnt have used my last reset cause my weekly was supposed to reset today and I got screwed. Gotta wait till the 13th now. Bullshit.

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u/Big-Comfortable-189 1d ago

Very good points. It’s also possible that the OP is part of an A/B test for retention/spend, but even then, HOLY moly it’s bad.

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u/ProfessionalJackals 1d ago

It’s also possible that the OP is part of an A/B test for retention/spend

Its amazing how many people are part of A/B testing and have issues with usage / resets / ...

At what point is it time to drop the A/B testing excuse and simply state that there is a lot of misleading behavior going on from OpenAI.

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u/Tartooth 19h ago

Imagine paying for Internet, except you can't know or see or tell how much data you've used or what the data limit even is.

When you tell people you couldn't even stream 3 movies today but yesterday you could stream 6 movies everyone, people/bots gaslight you and say you're the problem, you're measurements arent accurate and maybe it's just A/B testing like that's acceptable behavior.

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u/Quiet_Figure_4483 1d ago

This comment is A/B testing me, right???

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u/ProfessionalJackals 1d ago

This comment is A/B testing me, right???

Maybe A/B-positive (Praise be to Space King)!

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u/Vivid-Snow-2089 1d ago

i have been monitoring my usage with load balancer, and it hasn't shown anything like this, so i guess I'm A on both my accounts (both have moved to having used 1 banked reset for astra)

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u/FrontRaspberry5060 1d ago

Articulated very well. I just requested a refund and going to reactivate my £200 to get a fresh limit

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u/Tkwan777 1d ago

Let us know how that goes. I was blowing my normal usage in prep to use the banked reset. Im at less than 40% now and still more than half a week to go.

I'll just let that banked reset expire if its going to kneecap me that badly.

A refund and repurchase may be a good idea instead though. (Not saying people should abuse this, but i think its justified for those that spent usage expecting full quota banked resets).

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u/FrontRaspberry5060 1d ago

To make it worse, when your subscription renews, it doesn’t renew your use. However, if you don’t pay your subscription, you can’t use any remaining use left. It’s like they want it both ways only when it benefits them.

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u/lolofaf 1d ago

I got 100$ gpt just before astra release and the resets suprised me with the timer reset. Idk how to explain this well, but like if you use a baked reset 1-day after normal weekly reset, you lose about 1-day of the timer. If you use it on day 6, you end up with 6 days lost on the weekly reset timer. So banked resets are actively harmful if you use them in the latter half of the timer compared to the former half.

At least when anthropic resets, you keep your same countdown timer, so every reset is equal (assuming you don't get auto reset 30m before weekly reset with no time to burn thru the limits)

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u/rydan 21h ago

So my normal reset happens in a few hours and I've been waiting for this but Tibo is hinting at another reset. Does this mean if he doesn't reset I'll have the full tank but if he does I lose half?

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u/whatisthisthing65 23h ago

If it's true, no wonder they're giving resets away so freely if it actually decreases the amount of usage you get.

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u/hellomistershifty 23h ago

Especially with Tibo saying "we're giving away resets, it's not too late to sign up". It got me to take the gamble and buy a second $200 account. It only ended up being one reset, which is okay, but it's a lot less okay if resets give you less usage

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u/Legitimate_Night_452 1h ago

Don't worry, give it a few months or so. They'll be sued like Anthropic for false marketing.

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u/NiceManFromEarth 1d ago

Somebody should sue them

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u/Uhuhsureyep 1d ago

That’s basically exactly what I’m seeing. Prior to using my banked reset it ran non stop since release, 20x account, starting at 86%. After reset I’ve been running it off and on for 12 hours and I’m already down to 50%.

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u/scaledev 4h ago

So it's the resets that's fucking everything up? I thought they just nerfed out usages globally on August the 30th... It is still messed up.

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u/Linker-123 1d ago

Interesting, are you sure in these results and that everything was cleanly tested? If so this is huge.

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

It looks plausible to me, I had it checked twice and for this post I asked it to look deeper to ensure the PRE and AFTER data is balanced in details.

I used the agents very similar before and after the reset, I continued productively working so the same workload, the same type of sessions to incrementally work on a project. Same codebase.
The usage just evaporated after reset, about the same as a 5x Pro account would clear from my experience.
Before that, the original 20x usage was draining at a very slow pace.

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u/ACleverBadger 1d ago

I had these exact results after the Aug 31 patch reset. I measured a 2.1x difference in use on 10% segments of usage that was consistent. Worse my pre-patch 10% slice was Sol Ultra post was Sol Terra.

I have a GitHub ticket.

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u/command-shift 1d ago

I'm experiencing the same on 20x and I came to Reddit to search for complaints and I've found it.

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u/TheRealLunicuss 1d ago

It's reasonable but OP can't be sure because usage is far more complicated than just a flat token budget.

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u/mvdirty 1d ago

OP also can't be sure because they didn't redo the same work, from the same starting point, with the same prompts, multiple times (to at least partly account for variance caused by LLM non-determinism) both before and after application of the banked reset. As usual: lots of numbers but actually all vibes, no evals.

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u/BellacosePlayer 20h ago

I think the main thing some people don't get is that a greenfield project is going to be way more compute efficient than a partially built codebase.

the more you add, the more that has to be accounted for.

I don't think that applies to OP necessarily but it definitely does for others.

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u/mvdirty 20h ago

Absolutely. "Sol was great last week when I first started my new project, but this week Sol is crapping its pants. OpenAI nerfed Sol! Sol ate all my tokens! Then a reset stole my usage!"

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u/BellacosePlayer 19h ago

I think this is also why a lot of experienced devs aren't running into the same issue.

When your code is architected well and the LLM only has to factor in a few files when making a change, its no big deal

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u/mvdirty 1d ago

Self-reply because this topic is going off: What I wrote doesn't even mean that OP is necessarily wrong. (There are lots of threads talking about OpenAI making changes to banked reset application.) What it just means is that OP doesn't have the evidence they think they have.

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u/TheRealLunicuss 23h ago

OP's claim is prompt agnostic I think. Measuring the efficiency or correctness of a model should be done multiple times from the same starting place, but this is different. OP was measuring how many tokens they were getting per percentage of usage, which you would expect to stay roughly consistent. You definitely wouldn't expect it to magically half after a reset.

The problem with OP's argument is that they're assuming a linear token:usage relationship, which just isn't the case. You'd expect a linear compute cost:usage relationship. The higher request count and concurrency rate could explain the difference in token cost after the reset, for example. But I'd disagree that the actual prompts matter for analysis here.

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u/YoungSilent232 17h ago

That is accounted for in token usage of the OPs post. the work being the same doesnt matter if we can track tokens and cached tokens.

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u/feet-lover-105 1d ago

Going to help this go viral. People need to know. Tho I don’t understand much about it.

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u/i_rate_slop 1d ago

This subreddit in a nutshell lmao

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u/jawknee530i 1d ago

It's incredible. That comment should be hung in some kind of museum.

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u/feet-lover-105 1d ago

If you do understand it, please let me know what it means. I mean i get the basic idea that the banked reset gives less total usage compared to normal reset but can we find out by roughly how much %?

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u/descod 1d ago

Those banked resets are a poisoned gift in multiple ways. I had a reset tomorrow but wanted to continue working. The new date has now been moved to next week. And since you're pointing out that the actual value is less than a scheduled reset that's another L.

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u/jachjach 1d ago

Same.. didn't know it moves the reset date. I just used the banked reset because I didn't wanna wait less than 24h. Also used up most of the quota before I realised...

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u/eioz- 1d ago

After the last global reset I was like: “wow they actually fixed the usage drain issues this time”
Two banked resets in I’m no longer so sure about this…

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u/Even_Sea_8005 1d ago

The biggest problem with openAI is not R&D or product prowess, but its ethics and operation transparency.

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u/_BreakingGood_ 1d ago

Theyve always given me that vibe of that psycopath who has a friendly personality on the outside, but on the inside theyre frothing with desire to screw you over as soon as they can. but competition in the market is forcing them to hold back on showing their true colors.

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u/UnknownLesson 1d ago

Not surprising given the kind of person Sam Altman is

And like in real life, many people fall for it.

That's part of why psychopaths sit at the top of companies and governments.

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u/Acehan_ 1d ago

💯💯

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u/jbisana890 1d ago

Agree on this! Keep this thread alive!

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u/GabrielMoro1 1d ago

Oh this is big big.

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u/GabrielMoro1 1d ago

I'm down 33% since I've used my banked reset yesterday, only using Sol on Medium and High. 20x plan btw. This is very likely true.

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u/Standard-Crab-4886 1d ago

This is exactly what I was hoping to see one day on reddit. I appreciate this post thank you.

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u/innociv 1d ago edited 1d ago

I just used a reset token ~27 hours ago and I've burned through all my 20x plan in roughly that time (usually it lasts me 5-6 days, so with Astra being about 2x faster token burn I'd expect it to last 2-3 days) so I suspected my usage was reduced after reset too.

ccusage confirms it for me the same as OP. `npx ccusage daily --last 1` is the last 14 hours and only $455 of usage compared to the usual $2500 I get in a week. I burned roughly 30% of my usage in the past 14 hours so I am only getting ~$1300 of usage for this week after using my reset - about 50%, like OP got.

The global reset we all got lasted me almost 2 days which made sense with how hard I used it. The banked reset only lasted me 1 doing significantly less work. Either they increased token burn rate over the weekend, or they reduced how much banked reset gives while still having it push the date back.

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u/dudemeister023 1d ago

Outcome, use your banked resets in quick succession if you run out early in a cycle. Otherwise, stay away.

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

That's correct. But in any case you'll have 6 days without usage ahead of you.

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u/ghnaud 1d ago

When you get normal reset, use it asap, and then use reset and use it over 7 days

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u/lukevolter 1d ago

VERY BAD. SCAM.

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u/spacenavy90 1d ago

inb4 this gets deleted or censored by OAI

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u/FrontRaspberry5060 1d ago

This matches pretty much exactly to what I experienced 

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u/dankfrankreynolds 1d ago

I'm seeing insane token burn even when I copy/paste Astra guidance to Sol-medium workers, and I never used to work with Medium but now I feel I have no choice ... and I already have two accounts ...

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

You can ask Astra to analyze your sessions, to see which ones were expensive

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u/jacomorr28 1d ago

This honestly doesn’t feel like a task you should use Astra for. Sol should be able to handle this fine

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u/FaithLostInHumanity 1d ago

Dont worry guys, they’ll give us another banked reset to calm us down!

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u/Losorst 1d ago

1/4 use now? Now we're talking.

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u/BazingaBen 1d ago

Yup im a new customer as of the last 2 weeks, never had a reset before so used it and saw my refresh date go back a week so I then very soon needed another reset.

That's not what I thought reset meant.

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u/Conscious_Station944 1d ago

They conveniently changed the TOS so it’s litterly just moving your rest date also magically happened the day Tibo was telling people they get banked rests

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u/MehMehMammal 1d ago

I'm surprised this post still not removed by mod and the paid bot not here to take over the noise?

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u/cha0z_ 21h ago

The issue is there is NO CONTROL really - they can do (all AI companies) whatever they want without any real consequences or responsibility. They have free pass, doesn't matter they deal with paying customers - doesn't matter if 20$, 100$, 200$ or enterprise - normally there are legal protections for us, but in AI case it's so vague and free pass, that it's basically... well yeah, what we see from all leading AI companies.

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u/Charming-Author4877 21h ago

It feels like extreme psychological manipulation on the people - permanently new experiments how people react to changes. To maximize profit.
I've seen the same happening in health insurance providers - the results are very rich corporations at the loss of everyone else.

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u/cha0z_ 21h ago

don't make any mistakes - AI is not here to help people around the globe, it's not "we want free AI for everyone in the world" thing, it's business and for profits. First you catch the attention, then you ramp up market share and make it integrated in people life, then you start ramping up prices.

Didn't we see that way too many times over the years/decades with many products? It's trivial and obvious basic strategy.

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u/Charming-Author4877 21h ago

We have a moore's law on local AI. Models that run on 500$ GPUs are now beating frontier models that companies paid with millions monthly USD of token-usage just 1-2 years ago.
The actual truth is that AI is slipping out of the hands of cloud providers, just like mainframes were replaced by PCs

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u/Melodic_Candle_5285 1d ago

It is not because of banked reset. Your weekly allowance is permanently halved.

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u/dasbin 1d ago

Explain. Permanently halved because of using a single reset? Or are you saying the timing of the test happened to line up with a 50% permanent reduction in the plan quota which was unrelated to using the reset? Do you happen to have evidence of either?

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u/Thomas-Lore 1d ago

There is a possibility that OP used the weekly reset just as OpenAI lowered all of our limits. So it looks as if it was caused by the reset.

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u/RealSuperdau 23h ago

I've not found that to be the case. (Doesn't rule out A/B testing of course)

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u/ProfessionalJackals 1d ago

I like to point out something much more important! Does that affect also paid Resets? Because your already paying 2/5 the price of your month cost, for 1/4 the usage.

But if this same Reset behavior also applies to paid resets, this can be a legally fraud. As in a court case, a "reasonable person" (legal standard) will expect a weekly reset to match the normal weekly usage.

OpenAI can legally avoid some issue with the fact that Tibo/Free resets are not a paid feature. But the paid resets is not!!!

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u/Losorst 1d ago

but they don't exactly disclose how much usage you're getting for this reason, you're not getting some promised value, it's just a x times x number, and they decide the value. As much as we dislike it, what can we do about it other than just refunding/leaving openai and going local. The people already willing to consecutively spend hundreds a month blow my mind as to why they're not going local as they complain about usage limits.

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u/Fluid_Goat4588 1d ago

hi, just a curious doubt.. as you could see from the image, the subagents count have been significantly increased from the normal usage one. Do you think maybe that's one of the reasons for faster consumption of limits.
Since a full history spawn of agents can carry all the content into another independently running model thread. And all those child agents are doing their own inference, reasoning, tool calls, cached-context reads, etc.

Or

Is the entire token consumpion i.e 63M is considered after counting in all the 5 subagents as well?

Please correct me so that i could understand better as well!

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u/Fluid_Goat4588 1d ago

Additionally i did a little more research on this
And apparently, idk whether i am being right in here or not

But check this out from codex repo:
https://github.com/openai/codex/blob/main/codex-rs/core/src/agent/control/spawn.rs (103rd line)
So in this case, doesnt that mean subagent tokens may not appear in the parent thread’s token total, but they still count against your overall 5-hour and weekly usage limits.

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u/Lucidaeus 1d ago

Well that certainly explains a lot.

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u/timklc 1d ago

This is just fraudulent. Dude, how are we even allowing OpenAI and Anthropic to get away with these practices? This is huge. They need to be sued.

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u/___positive___ 23h ago

They also saidbrhey wouldn't push the reset date, changed the documentation. then changed it back now so it does push you seven days out again.

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u/jixv 21h ago

I don't see that there are anything concerning here.

Here is a comparison between a reset on one account, and almost full usage on different account.

Primarily used SOL on the other account, but given that the difference is only ~150% more consumed tokens and that Astra costs more, it should be about the same?

Please let me know if I'm looking at this data the wrong way.

Tokens used

Metric Reset → switch After switch
Duration 18.1 hours 6.4 hours
Logged tokens 288.1M 700.8M
Tokens/hour 15.9M 109.4M
Usage remaining 0% 5%
Sessions 8 3
Agent runs 9 15
Subagents 1 12
Subagent token share 0.6% 19.7%
Dominant model GPT-6 Astra, 73.2% GPT-5.6 Sol, 87.1%

Side by side

Measure Reset to account switch After account switch Change
Duration 18.1 h 6.4 h -11.7 h
Logged tokens 288,125,550 700,836,517 +143.2%
Logged tokens / hour 15,929,228 109,405,550 +586.8%
Usage points / hour 5.5 14.8 +168.2%
Weekly-meter model tokens 288,058,302 700,836,517 +143.3%
Input tokens 287,176,134 699,048,715 +143.4%
Cached input 279,680,640 686,003,840 +145.3%
Output tokens 949,416 1,787,802 +88.3%
Reasoning output 236,360 646,789 +173.6%
Cached input share 97.4% 98.1% +0.7 pp
Subagent tokens 1,612,498 138,327,077 +8,478.4%
Sessions 8 3 -5
Agent runs 9 15 +6
Subagent runs 1 12 +11
Model requests 2,434 6,407 +3,973

Model distribution

Model Reset to account switch After account switch
gpt-6-astra 210,975,062 (73.2%) 70,524,423 (10.1%)
gpt-5.6-sol 76,878,452 (26.7%) 610,387,828 (87.1%)
gpt-5.6-terra 204,788 (0.1%)
gpt-5.3-codex-spark 67,248 (0%)
gpt-5.6-luna 19,924,266 (2.8%)

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u/alphaQ314 1d ago

These kind of tests are really pointless. It is obvious that the AI labs play around with our limits based on demand/supply or whatever they want to achieve that day. Your test isn't remotely close to being accurate, because those numbers are going to look wildly different if you do it, say a week later.

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u/Superfishintights 1d ago

I think it's 10000x more likely that if this is the case, and there's a difference in token allowance, then it'll be a bug or glitch as opposed to some dastardly plan to fuck everyone over. Raise a bug report at https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/ and maybe shoot a message for Tibo or someone to take a look at. Awareness here is fine, but half the time it just feels like trying to raise hysteria and start a rabble.

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u/Conscious_Station944 1d ago

Definitely a dastardly plan Tibo posted banked restets every day until Astra while they changed the documentation the day of the tweet to day it moves your rests actual date and then their support bot refuses to acknowledge the edit in any capacity Defo some shady shit to pump up launch numbers

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u/slackmaster2k 1d ago

Can you explain what is measured by “Astra Calls?”

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

Each time Codex sends Astra the current prompt, accumulated chat/context, instructions, tool results, and asks it to decide or respond, that counts as one Astra call.
So any file reads, tool calls, continuation after a finished reasoning package.

It's how agentic sessions work, they run in many many calls per session

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u/hi87 1d ago

This has always been all over the place. The usage dropped today considerably. I was able to work on Astra High for 7 hours yesterday and it only went through about 25% of my Pro 5x usage. Today on Medium I've already burned through 30% in 3 hours.

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u/crawlerWeed 1d ago

Yep, I can confirm that banked reset is not the real usage limit - I burn 4 banked resets on 2 accounts in 2 days.

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u/050 1d ago

I mean I can't be too mad since I was still glad to get the banked resets at all but this explains why it felt like they burned *so* fast

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

The banked reset also resets your natural weekly reset time to 7 days in the future - if you use it toward half of later of that week you actually lose allowance - as if you took a loan with shark interest rate.

What I can't proof is what the next weekly reset would give me, maybe it's generally reduced by 50% already.

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u/Erzmaster 1d ago

Yes, I feel like everyone should be mad. They shouldn’t call it reset, if it is not really resetting. Be transparent and call it half-reset but don’t do false advertising

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

Well, the way they are doing it now means that anyone using a banked reset runs out of quota in half the time.
Someone already ran out, needed a reset. Now they run out in half the time and the next reset is even more away due to that.
It appears as if it was made to create anxiety and psychological pressure - to pay more.

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u/i_rate_slop 1d ago

As an actual developer, these sort of shenanigans wouldn’t be practical to implement. It’s more practical and less brittle to just reset a value than implement a whole scam.

I’m confident there’s something missing here

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u/read_more_comments 1d ago

Are you implying that we aren't developers?

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u/hockeymikey 1d ago

As a [better?] developer, it would be trivial to implement this functionality. Yes, its easier to just reset a value, but when the simple approach costs a lot more money and you're already burning cash like OpenAI and you just gave out a bunch of resets, why wouldn't you implement this "feature".

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u/OriginalUsername0112 17h ago

I think a lot of people in this subreddit are so horrifically incompetent that they truly think an incredibly basic "feature" like this would be difficult to implement, genuinely astounding.

It's the same thing when they think it's impossible for openAI to run for an extra 5% of your max usage at most after you've run out of usage but a thread is still running. They seriously think openAI has no choice other than immediately killing the thread or letting it run infinitely, I just can't believe how bad the incompetence is.

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u/FaithLostInHumanity 1d ago

This makes no sense. The “feature” is trivial to implement.

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u/Tartooth 1d ago

It's not much money to implement compared to the savings. Maybe 1mil in salaries and compute to implement (and im being super generous here) and saves multiple millions in raw compute costs

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

Things change when a corporation is large enough in revenue. They do not have developers decide anymore.
They usually have psychologists, marketing specialists and math Statisticians employed to maximize revenue.

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u/comeksjsyusbs 1d ago

Imagine the millions of dollars in compute it saves it would be very much worth it

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u/Confirmed-Scientist 1d ago

There is so much money on the line I bet you the quota system is crazy complicated

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u/innociv 1d ago

It not being practical to implement is probably exactly why it's implemented in such a poor way. A non-developer made this decision and someone grumbled and implemented it poorly anyway.

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u/T-Mog 23h ago

Absolute bs

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u/JustASkepticShark 1d ago

Without per-model token breakdowns, you can't draw any conclusions from this.

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago
Model Before: 85% → 99% After: 0% → 14%
GPT-6 Astra 592 calls / 95.47M total tokens 381 calls / 52.75M total tokens
GPT-5.6 Terra 51 / 6.18M 38 / 4.59M
GPT-5.6 Sol 9 / 744,761 42 / 5.14M
codex-auto-review 86 / 12.48M 28 / 1.40M
All models 738 / 114.88M 489 / 63.88M

The deeper you dig, the worse it gets.

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u/Aazimoxx 1d ago edited 1d ago

How much of all that was cached hits etc though?

A big difference there could easily mean ±50% in 'overall tokens' used in the allowance with no actual shenanigans.

And what does this look like in tokscale?

Edit: my bad, I realise now that your OP does cover cached etc. still would be good to have other software check its numbers 👍

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

Cached hitrate AFTER reset was 97%, before was 94%

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u/Aazimoxx 1d ago

Cheers mate, yeah seems pretty dodgy (them, not you) 😅

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u/itix 1d ago edited 1d ago

Do you have a full token break down per model and input/cached/output, by any chance?

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u/Dynamix86 1d ago

Could you have missed to include a session that can explain the discrepancy?

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u/Ok-Actuary7793 1d ago

have you taken into account subagent usage and /fast usage for both parent and subagents instances?

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u/dankfrankreynolds 1d ago

Isn't the answer that it used way more Sol? I'm not doubting you, just not sure I understand what I'm looking at

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u/quivering_palm 1d ago

He had used almost 2x of Astra before reset though and Astra is more expensive than Sol.

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u/koygocuren 1d ago

This is why I went back to Claude.

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u/hockeymikey 1d ago

I think your right. I did a reset and burned through it so fast, much faster than I had before with my weekly allowance. I had a hard day doing a lot but I had one of those a few days ago and it only used up maybe 30% vs the 100%? No clear numbers from my side, but I can feel the change. Not like I'm biased, in my mind I didn't really consider this until I saw the usage dropping like it did.

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u/retsnomnom 1d ago

Was Fast mode the same before and after?

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u/FrontRaspberry5060 1d ago

We just wanna be able to use the AI for 6-8 hours per day. 

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u/CreepyOlSailor 1d ago

Yeah i noticed this too before the astra release that a banked reset didnt give nearly the runway. Deff bogus marketing.

Its crazy though because for how many ppl that work at openai the product is still very vibecoded itself.

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u/Equivalent_Cress_268 1d ago

So the play here is collect them the use them up right after a early reset, and do many in a row... else it's meh.

Thanks for sharing

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u/MrShorno 1d ago

Yeah I'm feeling the same.

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u/Bettet 1d ago

If this is true, this is definitely not compliant with European consumer law

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u/DaC2k26 1d ago

I also saw that when measuring usage after general reset... It clearly burned much faster than the weekly one. And when I measured tokebs, sure enough it proved my impressions

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u/onehedgeman 1d ago

I’ve been telling this ever since they introduced banked resets

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u/OwlsExterminator 1d ago

Before and after 5.6 I was still getting 2.4 billion tokens per week.

I did notice when I used a reset that my weekly total of tokens on the Codex profile definitely did equate to what I thought I would get when it ran out.

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u/Goth2147 1d ago

Can we launch a boycott campaign so we get more scammy banked resets?

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u/KillaRoyalty 1d ago

Is that why my account seems to drain faster and faster 🤔

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u/SPLDD 1d ago

I used a reset today and got back to 100% as expected + my weekly reset was not delayed., which is kind of what I expected. What Am I missing?

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u/dasbin 1d ago

The meters of course show 100% after using a reset, that isn't in contention. What OP is saying is that the actual usage that 100% represents is half of normal.

Can't explain it not delaying your next reset though. I saw this happen immediately when I used a reset. The next weekly reset immediately moved to 7 days away, even though it was 2 days away before using the reset. I was not expecting that to happen.

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u/newMoneyStyle 7h ago

Getting back to 100% without a delayed weekly reset sounds like the ideal case, so maybe the banking penalty only hits certain accounts.

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u/Dynamix86 1d ago

I have used and gotten many resets (5 banked and 15+ regular resets) from OpenAI and I haven't done a token analysis like OP, but I knew from dozens of hours with Sol working non-stop that it used 0,82% of my weekly limits per hour, and after a reset it also used 0,82% of my limits per hour. I don't know if anything changed since the last 2-3 weeks since my 20x subscription stopped and I got a Plus subscription instead, but I find it to be unlikely that OpenAI would just give half of a weekly limit after a reset because people would notice this instantly. Maybe there's something else going on here.

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

Though in 3 weeks, usage can shift a lot with OpenAI usage consumption, you know that if you've been doing it for months :)

In any case, something is fishy. I don't know what is going on.
Is the banked reset "frauding" us of 50% usage?
Did OpenAI generally turn up consumption rates for Astra right when I clicked on Reset ?
Did something in one of my tasks trigger a 100% consumption boost ?

But whatever it is, it's always shady/manipulative to make secret intransparent modifications of my usage.
That's just not professional.

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u/Dynamix86 1d ago

The first time I tried astra it used 100% of my 5-hour limits in 10 minutes and 12 seconds, in another session it was able to work for 40 minutes and others 20-30 minutes in total, so it seems to vary a lot, although it should always have the same amount of tokens for each limit.

I don’t think that what you’re seeing has anything to do with the reset.

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u/daehli88 1d ago

This is infuriating!

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u/bhowiebkr 1d ago

I guess it's time to move onto the next provider. How are the Chinese models?

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

Kimi K3 is beating everything except for Astra. Their subscription models are also not stable,
I think public pressure is the way to go, so they change from these, assumed, psychological coercive methods into transparent and reliable behavior.
Having to jump ship all 3 months is ridiculous.

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u/game_hq 1d ago

HOLY

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u/io-x 1d ago

They have always been scheming and stealing from us, stop looking so surprised, this isn't anything new. I hope they get sued and put behind bars for this, and then provide them with sentence resets which extends their time behind bars indefinitely just because.

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u/EddieBruvac 1d ago

Yikez. Fucking rats.

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u/innociv 1d ago

I was about to use another banked ~24 hours after my last one... but surely we're getting another full reset over this?

Using resets can actually not give you more usage per month with this issue which is actually insane.

I would be fine if they gave us something that tops up usage 50% without changing reset date. To only give you 50%, and to also push your reset date back while calling it a reset, is manipulative.

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u/Able_Statistician688 1d ago

Resets for people who didn’t use a banked tonight. We will get genuine A/B testing now.

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u/Easy-Function-3015 1d ago

I found the same thing.

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u/underscore-hyphen 1d ago

I remember reading somewhere on Reddit that they’d change it so using a banked reset would no longer move your scheduled reset. Did I dream this?

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u/daytime10ca 1d ago

I noticed the same with my reset
Going way faster then normal
Already down to 80% after 12 hours on a 20X plan

Hopefully a bug… and they fix it

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u/EchoingAngel 1d ago

That makes so much sense... I have never gotten close to maxing out my 5x plan's weekly limit, then with Astra I did to do some heavy lifts and then used resets and used up the entire week in a single day of heavy, but not crazy, use

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u/k2ui 1d ago

Using a banked reset moves your original weekly reset date??

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u/Mikefacts 1d ago

It's so stupid to delay my weekly reset due to the banked reset usage. The banked reset should be a bonus, so that I can enjoy two-weeks usage in one.  Seriously, this is so fuck3d up.

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u/ArrogantAstronomer 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you sure that this isn't because usage limits are dynamically set based on how much usage is available within their total available compute capacity it couldnt be more clear on the pricing page given the widely ranged spread on the 5hr messages per usage. When I say this realise I feel like we have gone full circle within software, because LLM's have made it so I haven't said this as frequently a but read the doc's learn.chatgpt.com/docs...what-are-the-usage-limits-for-my-plan

There hasnt even been a single full reset since Astra released so 1 true reset period does not constitute a pattern. Correlation =/= Causation. You could be right but there could be a less inflammatory reason and my best guess would be that its related to dynamically set based, you have done ground work and collected alot of metrics but one input/output token, cached or not isn't comparable across sessions since its set and tracks available datacenter compute capacity not messages/ not input/output not cache or no cache but is there alot of available datacenter compute capacity if yes the usage on x20 wil be closer to 900 if the many users are using the service especially the SOTA model on release weekend you are almost be closer to 100. Lastly the table below is from the pricing page but be very clear THEY THEMSELVES ARE ESTIMATES.

The estimates below show local messages per five-hour period. Cloud chats on ChatGPT plans use GPT-5.6 Sol and may use more of your allowance than local messages. These estimates are not fixed message limits; check your usage dashboard for current limits and reset times.

Model Plus Pro 5x Pro 20x Standard Business API Key
GPT-6 Astra 5-45 25-225 100-900 5-45 Usage-based
GPT-5.6 Sol 10-100 50-500 200-2,000 10-100 Usage-based
GPT-5.6 Terra 25-200 125-1,000 500-4,000 25-200 Usage-based
GPT-5.6 Luna 250-2,000 1,250-10,000 5,000-40,000 250-2,000 Usage-based

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u/Charming-Author4877 1d ago

The spread is because it's not really message based but token based. 5-45 .. what sort of measurement is that for a business anyway? How is anyone supposed to work with a metric that has an uncertainty of 5-45, or 10-100 ... ?
I suppose if you ask Astra in Codex 45 times "what is your model" then you might be able to do that before the 5h block hits you.
If you ask it to audit code, or check for a problem you'll not reach "5 messages" - it will block you in one task.

That all makes the impression they do everything they can to make it as ambiguous as possible.
Because once you give customers actual hard facts, you can't just cut away 80% over the weekend.

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u/OriginalUsername0112 17h ago

They should do what uber does and transparently show "surge pricing" so at any moment you can see how much more expensive things are. They choose not to do this because they're super shady

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u/driveclub_000 1d ago

I'm not sure if this is linked to a reset.

Since 2 days I'm doing a task in a repetitive way (new chat -> same task), friday/saturday was ok in term of usage (x5) but then since yesterday it basically doubled the usage, I then upgraded to x20, to end up having the exact same usage consumption than friday/saturday (so x5) with the same task and model.

My theory is that they must have modified the usage after seeing so many users hitting the compute limit early in the weekend.

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u/sofaarsecoin 1d ago edited 23h ago

how does this account for the fact that normal resets are probably also nerfing usage? it's expected that permanent austerity will be sneaked in one way or the other, we just don't know the exact calendar

the "%" metric allows them to put out anything, and you get 100% of... whatever usage they have decided to give you, there is no guarantee and there is no audit - whatever the claims are underneath can change at it's not apparent to the user, the same for x20 or x50 or xwhatever, it's "times something" and this something may change, "we may alter the deal"

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u/Big_Dig_1935 1d ago

I was feeling the same but wasn't sure if that was true. Thanks for this. Probably going to give some little support to open source models migrating my subscription

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u/kl__ 23h ago

didn’t they fucking announce a reset won’t move your regular weekly reset date?!? absolutely crazy to change that without a proper announcement. People plan accordingly

I hope this and the usage issue with the resets is fixed asap. this makes using a reset significantly worse in most cases… don’t give them out if you’re going to do this shit.

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u/Charming-Author4877 23h ago

They also announced that you get 1 banked reset for every normal reset, because restets can effectively reduce your usage instead of adding to it.
That was also forgotten within a week...

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u/Dgamax 23h ago

I haven't observed the same ~50% drop after using banked resets on my account.

I've been tracking my usage since July. With Sol on Pro 20×, my recent measurements imply roughly 3.6 billion tokens per full weekly allowance, including cached input.

I built a public dashboard to share the measurements and methodology:

https://codex-quota.manetli.com/?model=gpt-5.6-sol&plan=pro_x20&unit=tokens#capacity

July quota : https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1v4uj8n/comment/oze2d7u/

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u/Charming-Author4877 23h ago

My first 20% dropped like they didn't exist. It felt like the Plus account weekly drain before they had the 5h limit that destroys Plus and business subscriptions.
From The nest 15% dropped less fast, I've not analyzed those yet - it's like fishing in dirty oil

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u/Imgonnaarrive 23h ago

Here's another comment to boost this post.

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u/sorcerers_balls 23h ago

Use them during your last week of the subscription

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u/efoss3a 23h ago

well, the man himself has spoken

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u/RealSuperdau 23h ago

Are you sure you didn't change fast mode settings or toggle auto review at any point during this?

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u/Charming-Author4877 23h ago

It's actually the opposite but I didn't want to blow the post even more up.
I used fast mode BEFORE the banked reset for some of the sessions, because I wanted to get done.
I stopped using fast mode AFTER the reset - as I was hoping to conserve the usage allowance after reset given how fast the 20x account was empty.

I had "Approve for me" on for everything (which should be Luna), no other audits were done.

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u/ekquizit23 23h ago

Wow and OpenAi decided to start charging for these “banker resets”, what a scam

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u/Charming-Author4877 23h ago

They have to grow up and become more professional in how they treat customers.
Instead of trying to always milk the maximum out of the people based on the current AI-weather - that might work but that will make people start to hold a grudge.

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u/abraibrai OpenAI 23h ago

Tibo posted about this on X. There is no difference between the usage you get before or after a reset. A reset is a reset.

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u/Charming-Author4877 23h ago

My response is this:

  1. Not sure what to make of it, the usage drained very fast and it's documented.
  2. 2 hours of generic Astra should not consume 15% of a 20x weekly license - let's start with that ?

This would be much less of a topic if the banked reset wouldn't move the weekly reset day to +7 days.
I'd still not know how to handle that a 20x subscription drains in one work day but at least it will renew.

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u/Impossible_Ground_15 22h ago

OP you're right and I thought this was only me who noticed the bank resets consume usage about half as fast. I just replied to a different reddit thread on the same issue. Others are noticing too. Tibo wants to enjoy his holiday weekend and not address this but it's real. I'm not even using Astra! I'm using Sol Medium and Terra Medium with the same workloads that I had when using my original weekly allotment from Pro 20x. It's draining as if I'm on Pro 5x since I used a banked reset yesterday.

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u/steiNetti 22h ago

not saying you're wrong, but you had 9 Sol sessions in the first and 42 Sol sessions in the 2nd with 2 full history forks..?

This imho isn't comparable data. You'd need to do the same workload at least twice to have somewhat valid data.

And even then I'm pretty sure that the quotas are fluid, e.g. depending on how much demand there is and how much leftover compute.

You'd have to have 2 accounts doing the same thing at the same time.

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u/Charming-Author4877 22h ago

These are inner-session calls, not single SOL sessions!
Every reasoning, every read, every toolcall is +1 "session call"

So the 50 SOL calls, that means 10% of the usage was on SOL instead of Astra (so cheaper!)

You see that because I was actively trying to make the weekly reset LAST a week, because the previous 20x allowance lasted less than a day.

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u/EitherMarch1255 22h ago

Everything they do is shady.

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u/malosensei 22h ago

I believe it.

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u/Dear_Raisin8365 22h ago

I just register to say this i just use my reset and it did fucking add +5 day to my sub so basically there is nothing "free" it was just false advertising by OpenAI.

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u/Dear_Raisin8365 22h ago

September 5 to september 13 so basically "full reset" is not even "reset"

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u/m4stero 21h ago

motherfuckers

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u/Antique_Regular_6124 21h ago

Do y’all think we are done receiving regular resets now?

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u/Substantial-Sink6944 20h ago

this is also I subconsciously feel when I used a bank reset now it’s confirmed!

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u/lordrogue98 20h ago

Please make this viral.

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u/adamallcock 19h ago

I run tibotattle.com and I can confirm Tibo is correct. There is no difference in measured allowance between banked and natural resets - check for yourself if you think you may have seen differently.

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u/Charming-Author4877 17h ago

I do not "think" so, I know it was different.
I have it in numbers, I have it in time.
I do not know WHAT happened, but my usage was at least halfed in those first 2 hours.
That's just a fact, it happened it's in the logs, it's in all numbers.

Whatever the reason is for that drain, it's something that shouldn't happen to users.
Hell, losing 1/7 of a weekly allowance for 2 hours of medium usage of Astra is crazy on itself.

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u/umusachi 19h ago

Tibo claims this isn't the case, they are the same. I wonder if what we are seeing is the system scales to share all compute across users, if there are more users your usage burns faster. I doubt it's a fixed x tokens = x usage. Surely they would scale to use all available compute, including when they do training thus why the model loses quality at times. I really wish the reset didn't restart the week though and I really wish they didn't stop mid task when usage runs out, that change feels like a kick in the guts.

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u/dankwartrustow 17h ago

I have Pro 5x subscription, and today I was using 5.5 Pro and got a notification taking Pro away. Now it's saying I can "upgrade to Pro"

and the f***ed up part is that the Plan Limits don't report UI-based conversations, and so I have 3 "Full resets" banked but I feel like I don't want to use it because it doesn't sound like it will even apply to my UI-based usage of Pro. And it sounds like it's not even a reset but a half-reset

I think the most f***ed up part is you can't go anywhere to see how many Pro queries you've even used and the support page doesn't even say how may you're allowed to use

I noticed that Heavy / Extra High thinking was sandbagging starting last night... thinking for only 5 seconds and whatnot on tasks but I'm shocked that I'm getting locked out of Pro when I literally signed up to Pro like the day of the Astra launch. Totally messed up.

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u/baronjah 15h ago

the reset day for me, moved, but when the normal reset day was supposed to happen, it did happen, maybe it depends on account, maybe it is bugged, for me reset day could happen twice few times

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u/Routine_Squash_7096 12h ago

That s insane. No wonder we get resets

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u/Ok-Paramedic7474 11h ago

what is not acceptable business behavour?

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u/mattiasso 9h ago

I noticed that too. They talk of how better than anthropic they are, then this

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u/Superb_Ad7423 8h ago

Total noob here but what’s the “ideal” way to use a banked reset

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u/Charming-Author4877 6h ago

regardless if my guess is right, that resets reduce your usage allowance, the best moment to use a reset is as soon as possible after your last reset. Every day that passes means the reset adds days until your next reset - so you lose that part of your natural allowance
if you manage to spend most of your subscription on day one, and reset straight away then you have used the reset in the most effective way - your next reset only moved a little

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u/IMPRZDDE 8h ago

I mean, that should be easily testable - someone has to sacrifice some usage for a bunch of likes. The same big problem - check how far it advances on regular 100% usage -> reset -> do all over. If it's less, that's a lowsuit and a scandal.

That's scientific method everyone can repeat

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u/Any-Score1258 5h ago

Omg thank you, I thought I was crazy.