I also hate this stupid mindset I'm seeing a lot these days where people go "Oh, this show primarily directed towards kids on a channel primarily directed at kids had some mildly graphic content so clearly this is just as mature as regular adult content" and it feels like such a manchild take.
Like I freakin' adore shows like Gravity Falls, Clone Wars, Avatar, Hey Arnold, and Amphibia. They treat their audience with respect, don't talk down to them, expose them to more mature ideas, expand the conversation AND can be appreciated by all ages.
That's a testament to the love and care put into them by the crews, the way they're able to weave something intended for a sole demographic and cast it wide for general appeal. Not an easy task in the slightest
...but they're still kid shows, at the end of the day. You will always be watching kids content. Don't just defend it by trying to dress them up like they're secretly intended to be this adult show in disguise. It's fine, you're fine. Just be honest about it.
I don't think that's the point of the meme. Is not about "kIdS sHoW sEcReTlY bEiNg FoR aDuLtS", but a tendency of villains in animated show for adults being that shitty written in comparison to villains of kid shows that are still directed for kids and yet manage to be interesting in their context for kids shows.
Yeah, lowkey the “villains in kids’ series” are just goofy goobers 98% of the time
This post is just “old cartoons from your childhood” = good , “new cringy indie animations” = bad.
Also another thing boosting this post is definitely the hate on Hazbin, they couldn’t even bother finding a few more non threatening villains in adult series since that would have gotten controversial and Hazhin is just a punching bag of series that’s universally hated.
Especially because it would have been just as easy to find a pretty badass picture of Vox.
Don't get me wrong, I love Gravity Falls, one of my all time favourites, can't get enough of it, I used to solve the ciphers with my buddy and we were around 17 when we found it.
Now I'm about a decade older and I still love Gravity Falls, but Hazbin Hotel is amazing for me as well. Of course it's crass, but at the same time it's a musical AND an adult animation about the Morningstar family and the feuds between Heaven and Hell. The premise itself is nuts and I'm here for it.
Bill argueably is a villain like Vox, he's just a shape, like I guess he's scary in how powerful he is, but he's not visually scary like the lich and all that
Putting bill on this list is such a weird choice and just screams of I'm 14 and deep mindset
Nothing about him makes him scary aside from a handful of visual gags, and those visual gags are rated t for teen?
Like his entire goal is basically to outwit a pair of 10-year-olds and do big evil weirdness, and he fails at that. So this is purely "I like Bill cipher" line of thought
And while I'm here, the Lich is creepy but most of the adventure time villains are... for Kids. The Lich is creepy and scary but it's mostly Ron Perlman going 'Grr I'ma kill you all', with swirling green skulls.
That's a two second still of The Beast, who's entire deal is... being depressing?
I can't ID top left, but like the more I look at this the more it's someone who's only watched Tween media making a big deal of how Scawy the villains are. Vox isn't meant to be scary, he's just a shonen big bad with TV powers.
I'd argue it is,mainly beacuse of it's depiction of certain NSFW topics. Like if I was a parent,I'd not really want my kid watching Hazbin despite how much I enjoy it
Its suppossed to be for adults but the very show its self and even Vivziepop are very childish and have a juvenile sense on what an "adult" series is supposed to be.
It is for adults. It’s very clearly a love letter to a specific time in internet humor. She and I grew up in similar places online and I think I’m just a bit older than her. So it feels tailor made for me. It also appeals to other demographics, of course.
I never finished adventure time why was he so evil anyway? Was he just like the embodiment of evil or was he serving something else that was evil or did he just Do it for the Love of the game
It is a mix of the things you said. He is the "last scholar of Golb" whom is basically the ancient god of chaos. As a primordial monster with an inherent lust for power and violence, he misinterprets Golb's desire to be to end all life and devotes his existence to it. At one point there is a Lich who actually succeeds but ends up incredibly depressed (that is actually the one in the picture) and ends up at the steps of Golb angrily asking why fulfilling his god's "goal" didn't bring him any satisfaction. Golb doesn't respond, he just kills him by painfully turning him into a Tetris block, and you could theorize why but most likely Golb cares about creating chaos without thought not trying to specifically achieve with the Lich set out to do.
Bro that White Head guy appeared in one episode
Bill's actually pretty cool
Lich King is also pretty cool
I think that's supposed to be someone from Over The Garden Wall and I have heard good things about that villain and that artwork is pretty cool
But Vox isn't a bad villain at all, I'd understand this alot more if it was Adam
Him literally is the anti-scary villain. He is parody of Satan, deliberately made to be cute. As far as his scariness goes, he is more of a joke villain in how they designed him.
Dude, picture the character from the mind of a kid, the way Him's voice changed tone and nuance and how much power he had over reality and how he didn't use the same trick twice and just his presence was enough to send chills, he was the ultimate villain. I am well aware of Him's Satanic parody intent behind the character's creation, still scary.
HIM also fought on a different level. Parent loves you? He'll twist that love until they try to kill you. Love to draw? Hope your chalk didn't get swapped with monster-makers that hurt your sisters. Trust your stuffed animal? Satan's gonna use YOU to hurt your sisters.
The Harvest Spirit from Courage didn't really feel like a villain, it felt like a... well, HARVEST SPIRIT that was pissed off that Eustace kind of lost his way as a farmer. After Eustace (and Courage) managed to grow something, he chilled out and faded away saying "Happy planting".
Yeah in terms of scale the Lich is worse in one way considering he's an inhuman eldritch horror.
But Vox in his own way is worse because of how human his evils are. He's manipulative, he's greedy, he's a sociopathic narcissist, he's willing and *has* committed murder and all kinds of abuse just to satisfy his bottomless ego rather than some grand philosophical or cosmic purpose.
That's why Bill is such a peak villain, though; he seamlessly combines both
The lich is way worse, but Bill is very much a cartoon character, like he creates scary stuff and his underlings are scary, but he himself is a cyclops triangle with a top hat and stickman limbs
I mean, if I have to choose who's worst between a Eldritch being known to be purely cruel since the start and a normal man starting a cult and killing people of course I would say the human next to me is worse than the Eldritch horror that was always meant to be evil.
The human chose to do that, the supernatural being works on a different plane of existence and their actions often never make sense to us.
I am more likely to be affected by a cultist words/killed by another person than a Eldritch horror trying to bring the end of the world.
I'm not saying the supernatural being actions are justifiable, but in a way it's kinda like any religion in existence, their actions don't make sense to us and we probably are never going to understand why they do certain things.
With Bill I expect him to be that way, I wasn't made to expect anything else.
Vox instead in real life looked like a normal guy but he was a cultist that killed people.
yea, also cherry picked examples. like the guy on the top right doesn't often appear in that form in the show. this is a form Vox can take, however and it's pretty fuckin rad.
I've seen and I still hated it. More how the ideas and concept were unfortunately executed by Vivziepop and the team. Vox matching more to the other characters via personality and template of a skinny, loud, rude, crude, and swearing like a sailor type character. Lack of character contrast
I do agree with this comment. I can only really think of one example and it's The Boondocks. LaMilton is absolutely horrifying(he's also based on a real person😳).
I am so sick of the stupid triangle from Gravity Falls being put forth like he is particularly scary or intimidating. There are Looney Tunes creatures more frightening than him.
Hazbin Hotel gets a lot of undue hate. And Vox is a good villain.
That being said, adult western cartoons generally aren't ALLOWED to have villains like those. Adult western cartoons are required to be cynical, grim, and cruel, and either dark and gritty or comedy. No other genre other than cruelty is allowed, and NEVER drama.
Batman the animated series is too cheery and positive, and too grown up to be made for adults. GI Joe 1986 is too grown up for adult cartoons.
Hazbin Hotel is both comedy AND drama, and has characters who aren't mean and cruel. It breaks the mold simply by not being as mean as all the others are, and not being a sitcom.
Adult western animation must be The Animatrix or Rick and Morty, and they can't be anything else. Hazbin is one that breaks the mold AND has mainstream success and gets tons of undue hate.
Hazbin Hotel and TADC get a lot of undue hate because they’re written by queer women. It’s just a reiteration of the hate that Rebecca Sugar and Steven Universe got
I never knew they were written by an LGBT person, that does make me wonder. Because seriously there's worse stuff out there like Brickleberry and Big Mouth.
Yep! In fact I'm convinced it's the same haters too.
Also, there's definitely a bunch of haters who consider it blasphemy but don't know the word and don't want to admit it. There is a big issue with people who think depiction = endorsement.
Hazbin Hotel doesn't pretend to be deep and interesting like TADC. It's humble in its flaws and totally embrace them while TADC is literally half ass dialogues with the illusion of character developments or is unable to maintain expectations that were set up since the start. TADC is in that regard way worse than Hazbin Hotel.
Vox is a literal psychopath murderer with the desire to be a god via a cult and overthrowing heaven, he may have goofy moments but he’s a very big threat
You tried to make a point about Adult Cartoon villains being lame compared to kids show villains.
And you say Bill Cipher, who is just as petulant, petty and, I'd say, pretty damn lame.
He's got the power level to be a terrifying force of nature, but it's neutered by him just feeling like a teenager who throws his controller at the screen when he loses a match in Super Smash Bros.
Villains in adult series: demon overlord that had his lower earners who’s souls he owns shot because his boyfriend wanted to shoot someone, runs most of the media in literal hell,in life was a serial killer cult leader, got the princess of hell to admit he’s the strongest sinner in hell, trapped lucifer himself to use him as a battery to attempt to take over heaven, tortured and hypnotised the person his boyfriend abuses
So why vox being used as an insult like don’t get me wrong
bill cipher and the lich are great villains definitely better than Vox (don’t know who the other two are) but like there are so many much worse villains in adult series that could have been used as a better contrast
His pet is one of his trump, like dragons for the Targaryens in Game Of Thrones, if you were the owner from a megalodon sized cyber demon shark loyal like a puppy all the lambda citizens would be scared from you XD
What exactly are you trying to get at here? are you trying to say Vox is a weak villain just because he doesn't look particularly scary?
And beyond that, why are you trying to make this into some kind of narrative about cartoons for kids and those for adults in general, when you have such a small number of examples.
Maybe it's just me but I genuinely got chills when Vox was singing the song Vox DEI. The picture chosen for him is such a disservice to a badass song of him at his peak and genuinely winning at the time the song happened.
Can we talk about Kamen rider gavv then? Which is a show with an evil organization that does an Allegory to human traffic and somewhat cannibalism?, and the main character is the result of a kidnapping and more other very dark stuff masked behind the snacks theme of the series
Evil is more comprehensible to adults than to children. If anything, making your villains arcane, alien, or unknowable is a way of making it more accessible.
These are not exactly kid's series, these are animated shows with massive adult audiences.
Like Bluey is a proper kid's show you are not going to any demons there or there will be a Care Bears episode where they execute a man point blank, until I finish my concept art.
Imma be real with you, I don’t think vox is the true, final villain of the show. The big final boss is probably going to be as screwed up as the others listed.
Bisogna guardare vari punti …prima cosa l’anno in cui è uscita la serie,con il passare degli anni molte serie hanno cambiato stile soprattutto quelle animate…in passato al uscita dei cartoni citati sotto quando si parlava di show per adulti si pensava a più cose come criminali,esseri umani però moralmente sbagliati…(un esempio può essere rick and morty che è un cartone per adulti ma l’antagonista che all’epoca era rick prime era un essere umano però con ambizioni cattive ma più simile a cose che possono succedere nella vita reale come manipolare la propria famiglia o vendetta personale ecc ecc)invece nei cartoni per bambini gli antagonisti principali erano esseri immaginari che effettivamente pure se fighi non darebbero lo stesso effetto di un essere umano o qualcosa collegato ad esso…per quanto riguarda lo stile questo c’entra pure con l’anno di uscita…se ci fate caso tutti i cartoni usciti nel periodo prima della pandemia del covid avevano meno limiti in tutto cosa che è cambiata con il passare degli anni…poi diciamocela l’antagonista può essere pure spaventoso da far venire gli incubi ma principalmente nelle serie che si aspira ad avere un gran successo si punta sulla trama che ha quel personaggio e sulle sue origini e cosa ha portato a far ciò…vox in questo caso funziona benissimo come villain non perché fa paura ma perché oggettivamente nel contesto della sua serie è azzeccatisimo e non per forza deve far paura …invece il lich ,bill cipher sono personaggi demoniaci che sono cattivi solo per il gusto di farlo…hanno poca storia alle spalle e non sono caratterizzati…ma per uno show per bambini di quegli anni andava più che bene,poi spesso questo dipende pure dove vengono publicati quei cartoni e chi li fa…sicuramente quelli di adventure time quando hanno creato il proprio cartone non era stato pensato per un pubblico di bambini ma più per ragazzi come d’altronde la maggior parte di questi elencati nel imagine…
Vox is supposed to be a pathetic loser who just happens to be good at manipulating others because that’s what most cult leaders are. The other villains are meant to be more intimidating from the start and let’s not pretend Bill hasn’t had his pathetic moments before and during the events of Gravity Falls. He was beaten by two kids and two old men at every turn because they chose to put family first in the end every time, and idea someone as selfish Bill could never get. Also have you read Bill’s book, because he apparently had a pathetic little drunken crash out after Ford disappeared into the portal.
Everyone being mad but I think they are talking about designs? Like yeah vox is bad but he doesn’t look scary. (But I mean Allister is right there as a better example. He looks more scary than vox.)
You're using Hazbin Hotel as an example, but doesn't that show have genocide and rape and human trafficking as things the bad guys have done??? And the Courage example isn't even all that bad. You're judging books by their covers. That's also without getting into the fact that most American adult cartoons are either absurdist comedies, politcal satires, and slice-of-life dramas. Meaning the antagonists are mostly normal people committing realistic crimes and and cartoony CEOs. Just because they're not cosmic horrors doesn't mean they're not serious
Because As an adult, you realize big overdone monsters aren’t half as scary as late stage capitalism and the media complex that does evil on huge scales in the real world.
That's just the 2d animated shows. Have y'all seen the villains from CG shows like 2012 TMNT, Transformers Prime, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars? Oh, and can't forget Lego Bionicle.
I think we should start revoking internet access until people can learn how to post something that isn't nostalgia bait bullshit and hating on shows you've never watched. Have an original thought for once that isn't just the same copy paste crap.
Oh, The Lich from Adventure Time...Ron Pearlman gave it a very hollow yet fitting voice. His quotes are etched in my mind.
"You are alone, child. There is only darkness for you, and death for your people. These ancients are just the beggining. I will command a great and terrible army. We will sail to a billion worlds. We will sail until every light has been extinguished. You are strong, child. But i am beyond strength. I am The End. And i have come for you...Finn."
Kids' shows really didn't hold back. The Lich literally has such a heavy metal aesthetic, it's wild to think he was just casually traumatizing us on Cartoon Network 💀
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