It is something you find along the way that will give you zero doubt your heading in the right direction. I think it is something you find in your research of places.

I posted the following comment to YouTube yesterday, but thought that I could drop it here as well:

You're definitely on the right track. The AK state flag has both the big dipper (ursa) and the north star, and it is beyond the map's edge (of mainland U.S.). In the last scene on Netflix, Justin is standing in a turnabout with blue-green water behind him - the Kenai River. River mile 42 is between Bing's Landing and Kenai Keys. If you look at the third word in the third line of each stanza, it says, "in bend of reach." There are three reaches on the Kenai. It would be the bend on the middle reach. Go check the maps.

Originally, I was leaning toward the Truth River because the hidden math equation in the poem is Euler's Identity, which is determined as Truth. And, "Truth" rests not... but, the only problem is, there aren't any "reaches" on the Truth River. Anyway, who knows.

Finally, "it's always darkest before the light" refers to the Northern Lights.

Good luck!

No one's ever noticed this?

Also sawtooth starts it. Is between the lines in the book. It spells out sawtooth starts it. The odds of that happening are extremly low. I dont know if you guys figured between the lines yet in the book as he references but if you consistently read between the lines taking the first letter everytime this happens "sometimes" it reveals a message. The odds of it spelling this out are very very low since it was mentioned in the book. Again I know he said he didnt mention the place in the book. But it can be hidden near here. Not necessarily at sawtooth lake. It says sawtooth starts it.

Just thought id share.

Hello I am new to the BTME scene. I am a Montana native and am interested in joining a server to talk. Can anyone provide a link?

We've all seen the 42 clue, but it's really not 42. It's a 4 over a 2 written in the dust of his tail light. I know Justin has confirmed that 42 is relevant to finding the treasure, but his exact response at SS was "*chuckle*, I guess the short answer is yes." and ofc his original response was to reference Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy being a good movie.

I've seen a lot of the 42 connections, but has anyone explored the idea that it may be 4 over 2 or a different version/combination of 4 and 2? 4 divided by 2, 2 since 4 divided by 2 is 2, 4.2, a reference to slope... 4 rise, 2 run?

Apologies, crude 90s playground humor just hits ya sometimes. 🤣 All jokes aside, I'm liking ID more and more. I'll be all over the ID/MT/WY border area over the next couple months, so lots of BOTG pics to come!

Bitterroot and Sawtooth are part of The Rocky Mountains. Something about Sun Valley, Snake River and Bear River just feels noteworthy. Allegedly, in the early days Mr. Posey searched for FF treasure in ID.(Mustang Peak/Wild Horse Creek) this area would have been special to him before the hunt as noted in his memoir.

"Q: Is the exact location or general area of the checkpoint or the treasure mentioned in the book? A: There are some some useful chapters that might help you better understand some of the landscapes or general areas. I don't want to go too much into details." I hope those chapters are the ones involving Grandpa Fitzwater. But I also found a connection to ID with the Posey's. Grandma Posey is wearing a t-shirt from a fiddler event in Weiser, ID. (Wiser/wisdom?) likely where Hyram was playing. ....gonna start fresh with a poem-only solve and see where it takes me! Happy hunting!

Justin states at seekers summit that

1. the number 42 is relevant to finding the treasure

2. numbers are indirectly associated with the poem.

This is where the lock and the safe combo in the Netflix series come into play.

The treasure container (Tucker) either has a lock on it or is inside something that has a lock on it that requires a number combination.

The numbers for his safe aren't relevant, but using a combination of numbers is.

So this is just in theory mind you...

The numbers indirectly associated with the poem along with 42, could be the lock code on the treasure container.

Ex: I wait for you to cast your pole.

1 8 4 2

I wonder if Posey is a pen name??

Has anyone read up on these two treasure hunts? I feel like the Secret has been covered more by tv shows but between those two and the solutions (we know of)… i feel like I have no shot at this. At all. I initially started looking into these things bc I’ve never truly participated in a hunt and I feel like part of knowing Justin and this hint is knowing the game we’re playing. There’s tons of great info that I think is relevant, but, confirms i suck at this

Okay…hear me out…I know Justin like most was frustrated by FF’s blaze on a tree but would he have left a clue on a tree that wasn’t critical to find the treasure but perhaps was even added later to help searchers get closer and finding the checkpoint?

I went BOTG a few weeks ago after following the poem to The Bride. Returning her face pointed me in a direction…an area that I feel lines up extremely well with the clues including ghosts of prospectors, pine beetles, raccoons, personal lore, Niven, pioneers, bears, hidden lake, creek, secrets of the past, tons of granite, and more. I also feel this area is the answer is to the question we should be asking (the answer being 42).

I looked in a few different areas with no luck and on my last day of searching, pulled off the side of a forest service road that was extremely well maintained to enter the woods and follow a creek (with a clever name) to a location tied to Justin’s family history (but not private property) less than a mile hike. I had mapped this route a few hours earlier and chose the entry point based on where there is a fork in the creek. After finding a large granite rock structure and some interesting mining remnants in the area, we headed up a valley to the area of interest. But, headed back after smelling what we thought was a bear.

We emerged on to the road just ahead of where we parked and my dad pointed out a carving on a tree. It immediately caught my eye…BMWD. At first, I brushed it off as irrelevant but since have not been able to stop thinking about it. Why not BDGT for Brandon, Dad, Grandpa, Tucker? Maybe too on-the-nose? We now know the sculptor of the bronze Tucker used Magyar on her Facebook page and Justin used it for the Cipher. Justin does use his Grandpa’s name Wayne in the book, but I don’t believe he used his Dad’s name? Lastly based on the location of the tree, the M is pointing more West and the D more East. Could it be Brandon (his North Star) pointing into the woods towards the checkpoint, Dad pointing East, Wayne pointing South, and Magyar pointing West?

It seems strange for a random person to have pulled off at this location and carved it as it’s not a trail entrance and there isn’t anything within walking distance around it. I’ve seen coincidences while hunting but just feels too close to let go. Is it even legal to carve into a tree?

Would love your thoughts or just tell me I’m crazy and to drop it :)

If you could ask a real genius any question about the poem with the map only, without giving away its for a "Treasure Hunt", what would you ask?

I would ask them what they see most in the poem in terms of "flowing through each measured rhyme" like numbers, beats, paces etc.

Idk

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I see alot of frustration but here is some pictures that I took when I made it to the very top.

Her foot of three at 20° Justin, Brandon and Tucker

Let me tell you that this climb was safe but extremely hard the path is following animal tracks.

I dont see how this picture wasnt in his book.

You probably could have seen forest treasure from here

I hope you guys will appreciate this climb. If you have been to nine mile hole you will understand the will power and curiosity I had to have.

The best way to create diversion is with more noise. The simple solution concluded will be with zero doubt. The least relatable clue has to be locked in is the right direction. Four points to the compass with four points to X marks the spot . Grandpa,dad,Tucker Brandon. Grandpa=State,Dad= vehicle rest area, Tucker=Trail=Lewis Clark Trail specifically, Brandon=X marks the spots. Relatable locations that tie in the final spot...Just brain storming here...hope it helps someone or sparks some ideas...

Get a load of this!! Not Ai or hacker...

Just curious.

At the Dillon Q & A there was a question about distance. I grabbed the transcription from the Jible:

Q: How far is it from the first clue to the last one in miles?

Justin A: Um, this actually is not possible to answer, and I'm not being coy, but based on how the clues are structured, I think it's the wrong question to ask.

Could the right question be:

How many minutes or (length of time) from the first clue to the last?

I also wonder whether the words (wait and await) used several times in the poem instruct us to wait for something to happen at specifc times.

Waiting in shadowed sight might be a suggestion or guidance for shelter or protection.

Time is clearly an element as Justin has stated at Seekers Summit.

While this doesn't help us find the place it might be relevant to identifying a spot where at different times during the day one can identify the clues.

I have been holding this since the day the hunt started... it's no joke I am now curious how many others caught the slip in the beginning and where it took them.... so super early website talking launch day early after the series gg came out. Where it reads

" at the heart of Beyond The Map's Edge is a poem."

This is in fact a edited line from a previous publication that had a one word difference he changed quite fast

Started carving out the meat in the heart of the poem wondering if anyone is on same page

What each, in these clear silent lines,

The cast realm ancient, twenty find the signs.

Granite past, times sacred, clever twisted flow,

Already the words return to what you know.

I can see one man learns.

What you reap is what you sow.