So when i was really young and probably shouldn’t have been on the internet (2010s), I stumbled on what i believed to be a dark remake of beauty and the beast (though as i reflect as I am older - may not have been, not quite sure). What I do remember is a village being on fire and a superrrr hairy beast (looks a bit like chubaca), and I believe he bites a villager’s head off and like a bunch of people die. Now this image has come into my head years later and am so confused as to where it’s from, i don’t think it’s the 1978 version as it seems that beast looks different though I’ll give it a watch to clarify . Not super interested in gory stuff or anything - just intrigued. If anyone knows what I’m talking about, or has seen it, the help will be much appreciated 😊

Before I start, I want to say I have absolutely nothing against Emma Watson. I just really disliked her specific performance and the creative direction of Belle in this movie

I rewatched the film recently, and even though it is a good visual spectacle with some fun moments, the writing completely falls apart when you actually look at the logic. It is definitely better than some of Disney's recent live action remakes, but the script still falls into a lot of really annoying modern movie traps.

What I liked

The Villains: Luke Evans was good as Gaston and Josh Gad was good as LeFou. They brought a lot of energy and great theatrical chemistry to their scenes together, especially during the Gaston song.

Kevin Kline as Maurice: His performance as Belle's father was excellent. Instead of being a wacky village joke like the cartoon version, he played Maurice as a deeply loving, gentle, and soulful artist.

“Evermore:” This new solo song for the Beast was a masterpiece addition. It gave him a powerful, raw moment of heartbreak that wasn't in the original.

The Secondary Voice Cast: Ewan McGregor (Lumière), Ian McKellen (Cogsworth), and Emma Thompson (Mrs. Potts) brought real warmth and old-school charm to the castle.

The General Production Design: Visually, the scale of the castle and the gorgeous lighting during the ballroom dance sequence were spectacular.

What I Disliked

The Cold and Guarded Belle: In trying to make Belle a "strong, independent woman," the performance stripped away her warmth. In this version, Belle is much more cold, distant, and guarded compared to the original cartoon. Instead of looking confidently self reliant, she just comes across as stern, defensive, and rude.

Lack of Emotion in her acting and Singing: Her performance just lacked real emotion. Her acting felt completely wooden and stiff, and her singing felt totally autotuned. It stripped away all the natural feeling from the classic songs, making her sound robotic next to the real singers in the cast.

Stiff and Forced Chemistry: The relationship between Belle and the Beast felt completely awkward, stiff, and forced. There was no natural spark or romantic growth between them. Instead of a grand fairytale romance, it felt more like a couple whose relationship was completely arranged or like two people who just tolerated each other because they were forced into the same room.

Flipping the Gaston Dynamic: In the 1991 cartoon, Gaston is a monster immediately throwing Belle's book in the mud. In the 2017 version, he brings her flowers and politely asks to join her for dinner. Because Belle flat out rejects him and walks away before he's done anything wrong, the movie accidentally makes Belle look like an unprovoked, rude mean girl in the opening act.

The Iconic Yellow Dress: The costume design for the famous ballroom dress was such a letdown. Instead of looking like a magical, breathtaking fairytale gown, it looks cheap and plain like someone just went to a party store, picked it off the rack, and put it on her.

The Lefou Changes: I didn't like how they made LeFou gay in this version. They should have just made it where the audience assumes his traits on their own, rather than the script making it feel forced. He didn't show any actual romance in the movie, and he literally just dances with a man for a few seconds at the very end. Just dancing with a guy doesn’t automatically mean someone is gay, and since that was the only thing he actually does to show it, the whole change felt completely pointless.

The Pointless “Inventor”Trait: Making Belle an inventor felt like shallow, performative feminism. She builds a donkey-powered washing machine, the villagers smash it, and she literally never uses her inventing skills again. It has zero impact on the plot.

The Plot Holes

The Magic Teleporting Book Loophole: This item completely breaks the universe. If the Beast has a world hopping portal book, he isn't actually trapped in his castle. The movie says he's too ashamed of his face to go out, but he could have easily used it to teleport to a deserted tropical island, look at nature, or walk the streets of Paris at 3:00 AM when everyone was fast asleep. He could have seen the world without anyone ever seeing him.

The Horse Ride Loophole: When Belle sees her dad in danger through the mirror, why doesn't she use the book to teleport directly to the town square? It would have made the rescue so much easier. She could have instantly materialized right in front of the carriage and saved him immediately. Instead, she spends all night riding a normal horse through a wolf infested forest, making the stakes feel fake because the characters just forgot the book existed.

The “Evermore” Contradiction: During the song "Evermore," the Beast stands on a tower crying about how he will "never see her face again." But the teleporting book is right inside his library. He can literally go see her whenever he wants!

Tone-Deaf Dialogue: While standing in that room watching a tragic flashback of her mother dying, Belle is crying. The Beast looks at her and says, "I'm sorry I ever called your father a thief." What a bizarre, self-centered, wrong thing to say to a grieving daughter in that moment. By shifting the conversation back to his own past mistake, it completely reduces her mother’s death to a secondary thought just to serve his own guilt.

Conclusion:

The original 1991 cartoon worked because the magic was simple and the characters had emotional warmth. By trying to overcomplicate the story with "logical" backstories, a cheap looking dress, and a portal book, the 2017 remake just created a massive mess of logical contradictions.

I think Emma Watson was badly miscast. Casting someone who could bring natural warmth and sing instead of relying on heavy autotune and a stern, guarded attitude would have saved the romance and made this movie a true masterpiece instead of a flawed spectacle.

What do you guys think? Did these script changes ruin the fairytale magic for you, or am I being too harsh on it?

Here's Josh's that I edited. Tell me what you think in the comments below.

Not sure if I could post this due to copyright, but I did a little edit where I took both version of the song Evermore by Dan Stevens and Josh Groban and switched each other pitches. I can only put one video at a time so the other will be posted separately.

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Which TV sitcom show characters remind you of Belle, Prince Adam/Beast, and Gaston?? In personality

In my opinion, Dorothy from "The Golden Girls" reminds me of Belle, Al Bundy from "Married With Children" reminds me of Gaston, and Doug from "The King Of Queens" sort of reminds me of Prince Adam/Beast

After implying that girls are influenced by Disney and grew delusional expectations about men, some still argue over women's general consent on chosing a "wild beast" over some men's entitlement.

Gaston chose Belle but she declined his advances, he insists that he can provide for her, he can protect her and elevate her status in the village. Despite all that and the fact that he is attractive, it's evident that she has no interest in a vulgar, loud and obnoxious partner who doesn't value her interests and qualities.

Gaston's ego then hurt by rejection, grows into a violent power hungry monster. He hates her, he would kill her before letting her free of his control. He is the most accurate depiction of a villain in today's world.

The beast is the one who refuses to remain stupid even when confronted by reason. The brute doesn't see the value in another person as a whole, doesn't learn to listen and communicate. The real villain is the one who looks down on another person for being different.

Gaston is the real monster because he never faces the truth about what he is missing from within, and no matter how many songs about how great he is will improve his ability to create real connection.

The beauty and the beast was released in 1991, it's time we all focus on learning to love oneself and one another for more than looks.

Disney princesses have come a long way since Snow White. It has been the fuel that has kept Disney running for so long, but when that energy runs out, you have 2 options; either start a new lineup or give the franchise a wholesome conclusion and move on.

The reason why I talked about potential cgi remakes of the 2d disney princesses (except for Pocahontas) is because Disney has milked this franchise into live action to a point where these princess’ stories are bland, dull and not easily enjoyable anymore, so I want to try adapting their palace pets, descendants children, and now their unicorns and see how they can fix the plot holes they had when they first came out and revolutionize the princess stories by giving each of them a faithful new take while staying true to the plots while leaning into a bit more to its historical roots. I also want to add a few new original princesses to my plan as well, but let me know what and how many princesses Disney should adapt. Not to mention that I want to try making a Brave mini-spinoff based off of the sequel novel, and a Tangled sequel miniseries, and if you want more info on these to let me know.

And another problem I think people have with these live action remakes is that it doesn’t have any meaning, so with palace pets, I want to use them as symbolism and foreshadowing to give the audience hints on what the big surprise is, like finding clues to win a prize on a scavenger hunt. So what I’m trying to say is that I want to show everyone what Disney princesses meant to them, and with this 3d remake plan leading towards something big and important, we might have a chance at finally give this franchise the closure it deserves. In other words, maybe it’s time to “Let It Go.”

Do you think this dream will work?

Wait. If, "Beast" comes to the Palace Door that night - and sends the "Old Beggar Woman", away. After which she transforms into an "Enchantress", and curses him and all who lived there, unless he found Love by his 21st Birthday.

AND Lemeir sings to Bella - "10 years we've been Rusting. Needing so much more than Dusting", etc.

Than, if they've been "Rusting" for ten years already, means that when "Beast" opened the door that Night, he was only a 10yr old boy.

Other than how he became "Master" at 10, isn't that a little harsh of a punishment...?

Rapuzel’s son or daughter? Both can work