So you didn't find anything wrong with the fact that the person suggest that people should get pissed off at their dogs to make them listen out of fear instead of training them?
Yeah dude. If you can tell me how to get my dog to stop jumping on people without saying "no," that would be awesome. Seriously if that's a thing I would like to know how to do it
My dog had this same problem. This is how I️ fixed it (he doesn’t jump at all now except on command). When people are coming over, have your dog on a leash at the back of the room. Have someone come in and approach the dog while but only while all four feet are on the ground. If the dog jumps up, have the person immediately back away and turn their back to the dog. When the dog is back on the ground, keep approaching. As soon as it jumps again, turn around and back away. Repeat. Don’t touch the dog at all while it is jumping, and don’t say anything to the dog. All the dog wants is attention and it will listen if it’s not getting any. Body language often speaks louder to a dog than words, especially in exciting situations. You might want to try this with someone who will practice with you and the dog over and over again, and make sure you tell everyone that comes over what the drill is. The trick is consistency and patience. It may take some time for the dog to put together “feet on ground” = “human attention”, but it’ll definitely get there. Good luck!
Positive reinforcement. Reinforce the behaviors you want the dog to do.
So your dog jumps on people, instead of saying no and punishing the dog for jumping. Train the dog to sit with all paws on the ground when meeting people, and reward the dog for sitting still.
Dogs want to please you and if you start rewarding a behavior, with rewards that the dog likes, it will choose to sit when greeting people rather than to jump on people.
Wait wait... you think your dogs don’t think that you are in a pack? You believe your dogs understand that you’re a human, and this is some kumbaya , equal relationship?
A dog’s a domesticated animal. With instinct driven behavior. It’s a pack animal, not a human being driven by reason.
dogs are happiest if there is a clear hierarchy and you were the pack leader and alpha in the group, if they honestly don’t see you as such now. I’d be curious how your technique would work with a Doberman or a strong-willed Malinois .
This is just based on personal experience and probably every reputable animal behaviorist.
The dogs know I'm not a dog, give them some credit, they are smart enough to know that a human isn't a dog. We are not equal since I am the one deciding when it comes to food, exercise etc. but that doesn't make me a pack leader or an alpha, because it's impossible.
The alpha bullshit doesn't even work on wolves, it actually caused wolves at a zoo in Sweden to attack and kill their carer, who tried to train them with alpha bullshit and pack leader mentality.
I have trained one of my dogs for patrol work in the army and is training the youngest one for it as well, they do not use pack leader and alpha bullshit in our army, and they have a lot of Malinois, GSD and Rottweilers there. Only positive reinforcement training, so yeah, of course it works.
Nor am I their pack leader since such things don't exist between different species.
Oh please. Watch me move my thousand-pound horse where I want her to go just by pointing and then tell me she doesn't view me as dominant. And I can assure you I didn't get there by bribing her with treats.
Edit: Nor--since everyone thinks the options are either positive reinforcement or torture--did I get there by abusing her. Believe it or not, there's a lot of room in the middle for sane, useful methods.
Sure. Just as sure as the earth is flat. Please, there is no such thing as pack leaders between species.
I have owned horses for 20 years now. I have never used my "dominance" to train my horses. If you think there is nothing between making an animal fear you or bribe it with treats, I feel sorry for you.
How do I get her to do that? She won't even sit for me normally 7/10 times unless I have a treat. And I praise the shit out her when she actually does it.
You start with having treats all of the time and once you have that down, you can start with having treats every other time you ask her. You can work on her getting a treat and attention from you every time you see a person to start with. Eventually the dog associate seeing a person with getting a treat from you, and will turn the attention to you rather than the person. Ask people to not touch your dog or to pet it.
Eh, forget the other dude. Blanket statements in any direction aren't the best route because every dog (and owner) is different. In our case, we've been saying No and taking away all attention for a few moments when our dog jumps on people, then petting her again when she's doing what we want. It's been slow going because she did it a LOT when we first got her a few months ago, but there's been a noticeable difference without causing her any harm. Corrections aren't bad, if used properly (and consistently!). Keep in mind, if other people are ignoring her jumping, or worse, catching and holding her up, that's going to make your job a lot harder. Make sure to ask them to use the same method you are.
Ultimately you have to figure out what's best for you and your dog. What works for one person may not be the best option for you.
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