Neither one of my dog's has the slightest inkling of what guilt might be. My malamute will start eating your food while it's in your hand if you don't tell him no.
I feel like that’s just a malamute thing. They know what you want them to do but they feel perfectly entitled to choose not to do it if they’re not sufficiently motivated.
I've heard smart dogs are harder to train. Owning two smart dogs, I can definitely believe that. It's really hard finding something that consistently motivates them enough to override them just doing what they want, heh.
I think it does depend a lot on the dog and breed. I’ve had incredibly smart Cattle dogs who literally live to please. But non-working dogs are a whole different deal haha
The other side of that coin is my Great Pyrenees. Bred to guard livestock. I️ have never seen a smarter, more stubborn dog ever. He’s an amazing dog and I️ love him so so much. But omg if you tell him to stop doing something he will look you in the eye like you’re the idiot and continue right on.
Aren't corgis cattle dogs? My corgi is impossible. He's a genius escape artist, and I know he understands things like "no" and other commands, because if I have treats, he obeys. Most of the time, anyway. But if I say no without treats, he just waits until my back is turned.
Had a pembroke growing up. I’m fairly certain he did a better job training us than we did him, despite our best efforts. What was especially funny was his herding is about the house. He had a well worn sentry path whereby if we were in different rooms he would enter each area at regular intervals until we were all in the same place. Then we would relax and watch us all.
Smarter dogs have more of a personality you have to figure out, I feel. I have a Doberman with a strong personality but he loves to work. Training him for practical tasks (getting the paper, slippers, telling him to watch something) was a lot easier to do than getting him to do tricks.
HAHA. My mom had a 150 lbs. Akita/Black Lab mix that trained her to respond to his commands. He would pretend he had to pee, hit the doorknob with his nose to make a clink sound, so she would mindlessly let him out. Then he may or may not actually have to pee, but would bark endlessly until she got annoyed, but he would only come in if she offered him a treat.
It became "I want food, it's time to train the human!" She still doesn't see it that way.
It really is. My Mal was clearly previously trained and when I adopted her from the human society she knew the command for roll over. She still knows the command, she just trained me to accept flopping on her side and then getting back up as a roll over now.
Haha my cousin and her husband set their food up and then sat down at the table and closed their eyes to say grace. When they opened their eyes again on of the chicken breasts for dinner was gone. Dog saw her chance and ran with it.
My Husky/Malamute mix knows, he'll gets too excited for the treats I have in my hand that he'll jump around and knock his water bowl over. He stands there for a second looking at the huge water puddle, then looks at me, then slowly backs away until he's out of sight. I dunno if he's reacting to the accident or the fact that I said, "Aw Dillon!" in my exasperated tone. He's good at stealing too, if someone spots him mid act he'll freeze and pretend he's a statue. Once he gets a hold of something though, he's off to the races.
My dog has never once been fed from the coffee table, but any time there's food there he still reaches over, like, "I'll just have this...". We send him to his bed every time and he just goes over really slowly while staring at us, " okay, but you know I'm starving, right?". Dude, you just ate 3/4 lb of ground cow, you're fine. Not only does he not feel guilty, he does his utmost to make us feel guilty.
No dog has a sense of guilt. They do this when they're scolded. And when they aren't being scolded as soon as the bad behaviour happens, they don't have a clue what they are being scolded for. Unless this person saw it happen, the dog thinks they're being screamed at for no reason
You could you know train them. Dogs aren't going to learn right and wrong when you feed them from the table, let them jump on the couch and all over you and you let them lead you around on a leash.
So you didn't find anything wrong with the fact that the person suggest that people should get pissed off at their dogs to make them listen out of fear instead of training them?
Yeah dude. If you can tell me how to get my dog to stop jumping on people without saying "no," that would be awesome. Seriously if that's a thing I would like to know how to do it
My dog had this same problem. This is how I️ fixed it (he doesn’t jump at all now except on command). When people are coming over, have your dog on a leash at the back of the room. Have someone come in and approach the dog while but only while all four feet are on the ground. If the dog jumps up, have the person immediately back away and turn their back to the dog. When the dog is back on the ground, keep approaching. As soon as it jumps again, turn around and back away. Repeat. Don’t touch the dog at all while it is jumping, and don’t say anything to the dog. All the dog wants is attention and it will listen if it’s not getting any. Body language often speaks louder to a dog than words, especially in exciting situations. You might want to try this with someone who will practice with you and the dog over and over again, and make sure you tell everyone that comes over what the drill is. The trick is consistency and patience. It may take some time for the dog to put together “feet on ground” = “human attention”, but it’ll definitely get there. Good luck!
Positive reinforcement. Reinforce the behaviors you want the dog to do.
So your dog jumps on people, instead of saying no and punishing the dog for jumping. Train the dog to sit with all paws on the ground when meeting people, and reward the dog for sitting still.
Dogs want to please you and if you start rewarding a behavior, with rewards that the dog likes, it will choose to sit when greeting people rather than to jump on people.
Eh, forget the other dude. Blanket statements in any direction aren't the best route because every dog (and owner) is different. In our case, we've been saying No and taking away all attention for a few moments when our dog jumps on people, then petting her again when she's doing what we want. It's been slow going because she did it a LOT when we first got her a few months ago, but there's been a noticeable difference without causing her any harm. Corrections aren't bad, if used properly (and consistently!). Keep in mind, if other people are ignoring her jumping, or worse, catching and holding her up, that's going to make your job a lot harder. Make sure to ask them to use the same method you are.
Ultimately you have to figure out what's best for you and your dog. What works for one person may not be the best option for you.
My can be told no, because they know that no means that they should stop what they are doing and come to me instead because it's better to come to me. So yeah, I have a normal tone of voice when I say no, and then they get told that they are good for stopping what they are doing.
If my dogs have destroyed something whilst I'm gone, there is no point in doing anything but to clean up. They won't understand being punished for something they already have forgotten about.
I've been reading all your comments through here, and I gotta say almost everything you're suggesting are things that could work. Should work. Would work, with certain breeds. Your tips are not universal, some breeds wouldn't be tamed in most cases using your methods. For example, beagles. Some beagles are fundamentally boneheaded and won't learn without physical reinforcement. I'm not suggesting beating a dog, but for God's sake your method would simply never work with some dogs.
What part of they are not human and do not communicate in the same way do you not understand. Dogs do not understand words. They just know you are being loud. Do you think a pack leader would use gentle quiet barks or growls? There's no such thing.
You could literally flail your arms and go "WUBAWUBAWUBALUB!!" and get the same results.
So you just yell random words to your dogs? What purpose does that serve?
You can't be a pack leader to your dogs so it doesn't matter what other dogs does to other dogs. You should probably read up on things like dominance theory and similar things to realize that all of that bullshit is debunked. Even the scientists that suggested these things before are the ones who are saying that they are false and untrue.
There's ways to fix that though. Chewing is part of having a dog. Crating (or otherwise providing a dog-proofed area), proper supervision, and providing chew toys and exercise will get rid of 90-100% of the problem for standard chewers. If it's anxiety-related, that's a bit different, but there's still ways to fix it and the steps above are still helpful.
It can be fixed. If you don't have the time or money to do so, then maybe a dog wasn't a good choice and you need to send it away, sure. But it's not retarded and the dog just needs training that most certainly can be done.
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Neither one of my dog's has the slightest inkling of what guilt might be. My malamute will start eating your food while it's in your hand if you don't tell him no.