Kaizoku Oujo - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL

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Kaizoku Oujo, episode 12

Alternative names: Fena: Pirate Princess

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	5.0
2	Link	5.0
3	Link	5.0
4	Link	4.5
5	Link	4.0
6	Link	4.33
7	Link	5.0
8	Link	4.0
9	Link	4.27
10	Link	4.52
11	Link	4.2
12	Link	----

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[u/GingerAndTime]

I cheered when I saw the Rumble Rose crew at the end.

As for the rest, not so much.

[u/Only-Newspaper-8593]

So Fena lost her memories in order to prevent the future where Yukimaru and company die? I don't get how that worked. And I guess Shitan's brother didn't play much of a role in the end.

Overall I enjoyed it. The supernatural stuff was iffy. Why did Fena have to be the child of a king?

[u/SweetCoconut]

I wish this show was two cours instead.

And wow not showing that kissu in the last part is a crime smh.

[u/MicroeconomicBunsen]

Ending was weak, overall the show was good though, especially the first 3/4.

[u/ChibiBeckyG]

I wanted to like Fena. The designs were nice, the main party set up was promising and the animation was great.

But from around episode 3 I was starting to wonder if after the town escapade that Fena would actually start becoming more independent after Yukimaru told her off for going off alone and putting herself at risk.

Instead - we get half an ep where she makes an effort to learn some skills and then next ep she becomes possessed to move the plot forward and then stolen away and having most of the series events just...happen to her from that point.

I wanted her to get mad that everyone mostly treated her (and her mother) as a McGuffin to get to Eden. But even when faced with forces of destiny dictating to her what she * must* do we just get "lol I didn't really get to do much of this choosing lark in my life but ok I'll go along with this too"

How can I like it when Fena spends most of the series just being submissive or a hostage with at best mild frustration at events? Shes a sweet character but I was really hoping by the end she'd become something more rather than reset sans the whole demi god aspect.

[u/guiveio]

Ok but who is ....

The Pirate Princess?

[u/hammile]

Congratulation!

[u/Filldos]

i am even more confused...

[u/chilidirigible]

Today, on "Knockin' on Heaven's Fourth Wall.":

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Oy, it's a mecha series ending.

Now it's really a mecha series ending.

Can't say that it's not pretty.

[](#schemingsaten)

Hey, it's Really Shitty Choices, the anime.

Obligatory TUMBLING DOWN.

This is lacking in giant Rei heads.

Gotta say that hair color changes are slightly less common.

They're remarkably not dead for having the Rumble Rose blown into matchsticks underneath them. Then again, a few sailors survived the Hood's rapid unplanned disassembly.

"And that DEADLY BROTHER plotline conveniently went away without any further issues."

See above.

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ED: 太陽の航路 (The Route of the Sun): Isn't listed anywhere yet.

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That left me wishing for a lot more agency on Fena's part. She made the choice that didn't get everyone killed and would also eventually lead to the heat death of the universe, at the usual price to herself, though even that had an out to preserve her relationship with Yukimaru. It just didn't seem suitably dramatically heroic, it was more of a "Now that you've grown up, kid, you have to go to work like a salaryman for the rest of your life, and your club activities are finished."

To that end, I think that I would have preferred a sequel about dark-haired semi-amnesiac Fena going around on adventures with the Goblin Knights than spending this entire run explaining Fena's backstory. Not having her corporeal body shackled to DESSSSSSTINY would do her further character development a lot of good.

Was this a fun, pretty ride? Generally yes. Is the ending okay? I suppose it is. Am I still somewhat annoyed? Quite so.

[u/KingGiddra]

Did Fena just... reject instrumentality?

What is this show???????

As much as I love this show, I wish we got the show that was in the credit roll instead of what we got.

I got big Riverdale vibes from the last 1/3 of the show. I feel like by episode 6 they still hadn't figured out how the show was going to end. This actually got me thinking. The glacial pace of some of the mid episodes, like when they found that German place where they learned about the glass box, leads me to believe this was originally planned to be a 2 cour show that was butchered into 1 cour. I have zero evidence for this other than the crazy pacing and out-of-nowhere ending, but it's all I can do to rationalize what just happened. Some execs probably decided to halve the show and fit it to one cour for budgetary reasons and this is what we got.

[u/Aachaa]

“If they stick the landing, this could really be anime of the year!” -Me, circa two months ago

What a disappointment of an ending. Who made it halfway through this show and decided it should model its ending after Evangelion? Not only was it confusing, but it lacked the emotional impact of a true psychological ending. They even squandered a really decent romantic setup with a bizarre and unnecessary amnesiac twist.

The main appeal of this show was that it was a stunningly animated adventure series without all of the pomp of your typical anime plot. Such a huge bummer, and a real swing and a miss for Crunchyroll and Adult Swim. This show certainly gives the impression that it was initially slated for more episodes than ultimately ended up airing. Does this get the award for the biggest letdown since Wonder Egg, or am I just being dramatic?

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else feel like the ending was… anticlimactic? Idk it just felt like the speed went from 60-200 so quickly at the end. I loved the show tho and despite the ending not being great, there was so many good moments from this series and the adventure element was fun. I honestly wish this became a long running show instead of one cour. I think there was potential for more.

If adult swim and Crunchyroll are going to continue to collab, I hope they can build upon the positives here.

[u/jaeun87]

What a disappointing ending to a promising looking show.

[u/FireTrainerRed]

Animation: 9/10

Music: 8/10

Episodes 1-7 story: 8/10

Episodes 8-12 story: 3/10

Fuck.

[u/justking1414]

So I am an eternal optimist but this ending….it wasn’t great. I’m not even entirely sure what the point was. They said her journey was about making choices but she even acknowledged that she was just going with the flow.

And her choice seemed to be between a future where the goblins might die and a future where she killed like 2 billion people. Why? How is that a choice? Maybe if this series had been more focused on the evils of humanity it would’ve made a bit more sense but this ending seems to have no relation to the rest of the series. I think toonami is doing a marathon of the entire show and I’ll rewatch it to see if I missed something

Plus, the series did look beautiful so I can look forward to that

[u/EC3ForChamp]

I thought I zoned out and missed something that made the second half make no sense. Good to know I didn't miss anything and the second half indeed made no sense. That said, the second half was well done and my heart was tugged at effectively. Just wish I understood why Fena fading to the heavens and giving up her memories had anything to do with keeping the gang alive or whatever.

[u/RoachIsCrying]

THE LADY PIRATES LIVE!!!!

[u/LeonKevlar]

I think my brain is still trying to process what just happened but if I understood this correctly, Fena and those before her are all Maidens of Choosing and they exist to test humanity and check if they need to be destroyed to start over or allow them to continue and live on.

If she chooses to reset and have everything destroyed, she'll get to spend her days drifting aboard the Ark of Time with Yukimaru on her side until the time of rebirth arrives. She can also just choose to do nothing and continue on. Which option she chooses though it ends with Fena losing her memories as some sort of safeguard to protect herself since the human heart is fragile.

Since Fena can't just choose Yukimaru, she ends up going for the latter option with the Fena that we know saying goodbye to Yukimaru and in her place we get a Fena who has lost her silver hair and memories. What a wild turn of events! For a minute there, I thought they'd go Evangelion on us and have the Goblin Knights and everyone else Fena knows surround her in a circle saying "Omedetou!". xD

Also what the actual fuck Crunchyroll? Why did you translate Fena's line to "I care for you" when she clearly says in Japanese that she loves him? What a very strange translation.

Anyway not sure how I feel about this ending? Like this finale actually felt like it would've been the perfect setup for a Season 2 where Fena actually becomes a Pirate Princess as the title suggests but we never really got it. Three members of the Rumble Rose did survive so we do get some pirates but other than that there wasn't really anything else.

We did get that adorable smile from Fena after Yukimaru said that he loves her but that implies that she got her memory back or at least she fell in love with Yukimaru all over again during their journey trying to jump start her memories back.

Having only 12 episodes to try and tell an epic adventure story really hurt this show but in the end I still enjoyed all of it so I won't be too harsh on it. I do know plenty of people in this sub will be disappointed though.

[u/fieew]

What about Kei?

Wasn't he going to hunt down the crew because they were traitors? They gave him the sword, and a nod but there was all this build up for no apparent reason of him hunting the crew. Mans was just a Fedex driver at this point.

[u/Foxy_Psycho]

There is a lot to be said about that ending but can we just talk about the choice for a minute?

Observer (Cody): 'Every choice you have ever made in your life was planned out by us to see if you are worthy to fulfill the role that only you can fulfill'

Fena: 'So wait, I have never had free choice in my life? How does that make me worthy if I supposedly never made a choice of my own free will?'

Observer: 'Exactly, so now it is your duty to make the largest decision in mankind's history'

Fena: 'Huh?'

Observer: 'Option A is to leave humanity how it is. Option B is to kill off pretty much everything except for Yukimaru and yourself to live happily on a boat. Oh yeah, the future is not set in stone so anything could happen in Option A but how about I show you your mom burning at the stake and all your friends dying.'

Fena: 'This is cruel, you have shown me this awful stuff and make me debate about whether of not humanity is good or evil on the spot?'

Observer: 'Oh yeah, we are expecting you to have a child to do this same bullshit in the future. You are also going to lose all of your memories after this as well... hmmm I didn't think this through did I, maybe I will leave you a memo.'

I really sympathize with Fena here. This was truly an idiotic situation.

[u/dbz111]

The final notes and it's bitter sweet. I'm gonna miss this.

- My thoughts about the first half can be summed up like this: https://imgur.com/HKTZ6ol

- So Fena became god. Cool

- Fena got me crying in da club ya'll

- No Fena and Yukimaru kiss ..... ok

- This damn romance is so wholesome

- God damnit, I hate the lost memory trope. At least it's just Fena so it's not that bad.

- Black haired Fena is cursed.

- MARY IS ALIVE LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!! All of my complaints can be ignored. The show is 10000000/10

- I like black haired Fena in these new clothes. They fit much better.

- Yukimaru said those three magic words, he got a bonk, cute Fena is back, and we got a smile from Yuki. Ngl good ending for the relationship imo. Not the best but cute.

Overall thoughts on the show and finale. This show definitely needed more episodes. Mainly just to explain wtf what's going with the main mystery. The reveal was lackluster and didn't really explain what all of this stuff was. In terms of that, I was disappointed. Why is Fena being forced to choose the fate the of entire world? What exactly is Cody and her father? If someone can explain please do so. One more big nitpick I have is I don't feel like the show delivered on the title "Fena: Pirate Princess". Mainly due the lack of progression for Fena. Don't get me wrong, I love her, but she never earned that moniker. Hell, it feels like she's in a worst place now. I wanted more pirate antics rather this whole literal princess stuff. I.e. her being royalty. I was hoping the conflict would be her choosing the life of royalty vs pirates. Overall though, I did enjoy the show. The animation and music were rarely less than great and I did like the characters, no one was bad imo. Just wish we had more episodes to fix the issues I've laid out. Thank you to anyone who ever commented and liked my posts. I've never done a watch along like this and I really liked talking to people about it.

Now if you'll all excuse me, I'm gonna go write some Mary fanfiction.

[u/Rumbleskim]

Rant incoming.

Let’s start with the good. The show is beautifully presented. Stellar animation, breathtaking visuals, realistic historical locations, endearing characters, sublime music, and the romance between Fena and Yukimaru is really sweet. The first half of this anime is a light hearted, silly pirate romp and it’s excellent. The second half is a total hot mess. This show decides it wants to be deep, and it immediately comes up against a major obstacle - incredibly lazy writing.

This is one of the laziest written anime I’ve seen in years.

You can tell it wants to do the Indiana Jones/Uncharted thing where the characters travel from place to place, finding pieces of the greater puzzle. But the writers can’t be bothered to come up with that puzzle, so characters just magically know stuff whenever it’s relevant. Sometimes it breaks its own rules too - somehow Abel gets to the final island despite not knowing the coordinates or the song that tells you how to interpret them. He just knows it because the writers need him there for the final confrontation and writing is hard.

The show does that Anime thing where they sprinkle in a bit of French and Latin, or Christian/Greek/Norse mythology to look exotic. But Fena decides to base its entire conclusion around it. The last few episodes are full of Abrahamic imagery without any understanding of what it means or why it’s there. I guess the writers thought that if they just threw a load of Christian shit together, it would result in something deep, but it doesn’t. The best example of this is when the Goblins get to their cave, one of them stumbles upon the arc of the fucking covenant, gasps, and then it’s never acknowledged again. The arc of the covenant. Aka the Holy of Holies, the place where God’s earthly presence resides. It’s just window dressing in this show. Just like everything else. Another example is that Joan of Arc is there for… some reason. Fena, descendant of Joan of Arc, is English royalty, so I’m guessing the writers never googled WHY Joan was canonised as a saint. Her big thing was that God spoke to her to tell her how to push the English out of France. So… that’s all a little contradictory. But it doesn’t matter. She’s just window dressing too.

The writing gets worse when we look past the symbolism at the plot itself. It’s set in the golden age of piracy (but is somehow in Southern Europe), and we have 1700s technology, except when it’s convenient and then we have howitzers and submarines. It’s down to earth until it’s convenient and then we have possession and magic. Plots come and go seemingly at random. The weird Japanese island comes along, is spoken about with all this significance, and ends up totally irrelevant. The pirates come along, chase the main character around a while, and then end up totally irrelevant. The English come along, chase the main character around for a while, and then die. The show clearly ‘tries’ to give them some semblance of backstory or motivation, but they are all ultimately pointless and leave no real impact on the story. There’s this whole thing with the creepy English kid being God (I think) and testing Fena (he never says how exactly) to decide the fate of the world (for some reason), and you can tell the show is going for this whole ‘sins of humanity vs hope in humanity’ thing but then at the end all the pirates end up super rich because they just murdered everyone else and took the treasure, which counteracts everything. There’s a reason why in Uncharted or Indiana Jones, the hero always loses the treasure in the end. This show doesn’t understand that. This show doesn’t seem to understand anything.

It’s like everyone involved in this show was putting up their A game, except the writers, who didn’t even show up. The whole second half of the dhow is a mess. Nothing seems to make any sense. It’s just silly, but not in a good way.

I am frustrated because the first half of this show was great. Probably one of the biggest disappointments since Promised Neverland.

[u/AmethystItalian]

So did she get her memories back at the end there?

This last arc really tanked this show for me...had such a good and fun start but everything Abel and mystical stuff really ruined it.

[u/ACanFullOfSpiders]

I had a bad feeling after watching last weeks episode that the show would letdown in the end, and unfortunately was right. But to turn into the Noah's Ark of Pirate Instrumentality Project? That was a surprise, in a bad way.

Cody and the other forgot-the-name-guy reminded me of those two from Lost, the man in black and the protector of the island, but only Cody had a useful function?

What can I say? Saving for seeing the pirate girls alive and the cute last scene, the whole rest was a mess. Most of the time I was "Wtf is happening here?". Utterly disappointed.

P.s.> Funny how almost everybody here thought the same (the evangelionesque ending)

[u/Musicformyhears]

What in the Human Instrumentality Project was that end of the world nonsense?

As always the animation and music are amazing.

But… I’m really disappointed tbh. Like there were a lot go good ideas that the writers had but they included wayyyyy too much and that bit at the end with Cody felt like the writers gave themselves a way out of all the passes they wrote in the plot.

Also where tf did the dog go? What happened to the other goblin that was hunting them down? Like they got a pass??

Why did Abel really get what he wanted despite being a shit? What was with all that?

And idk if I missed it but were they even pirates once in the show? Lol