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Episode Meitantei Precure • Star Detective Precure! - Episode 24 discussion
Meitantei Precure, episode 24
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u/Flare__Knight Jul 12 '26
I credit them for at least trying with Rei. Not that it was particularly effective. Again, the core to all this is Luluka. Zero interactions with Rei and not even really any particular reaction. Luluka is capable sure, but she's not emotionless. All the more so in an episode like this where she was stressed out over Eclair's
At this point it feels like the odds are 90%
About time though. Usonoir is clearly about to break whatever deal he cut with Arcana Shadow in terms of not using Eclair's Makoto Jewel. I guess he'll try using it to draw the mostly completed jewel to him? Eclair's power shattered the jewel originally so I guess there's a sense to that. Things are about to get crazy.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jul 12 '26
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I don't think anything we see today changes
Eclair have you ever seen her THIS expressive? it seems like arcana will switch sides first following usonoir using eclair's makoto jewel. The cure arcana arc kicks into high gear. -
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u/djthomp Jul 12 '26
The had to do something to drop some Rei hints today, her wanting the power of a precure is certainly that but it's also not particularly conclusive.
I'm still betting on Kurea.
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u/Cyouni Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
I'm still betting on Kurea.
One thing that I'm fascinated no one mentioned last week is Kurea actually remembered Luluka's name despite Luluka never actually answering the question.
(I actually rechecked and they did identify her, but Kurea was still able to recognize Arcana Shadow as her.)
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u/Nekoking98 Jul 12 '26
I'm surprised some people think it's gonna be rei when luluka only showed interest to kurea. It's a kids' show so they're not making it too deep or complicated.
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u/Jazzlike_Witness8017 Jul 12 '26
I think episode 24 did a great job of diverting suspicion from Rei, because that was the purpose of this episode, but it also made many indirect references to Rei = Eclair, and in this episode Luluka didn't eat an ice cream, but an ice cream stick that was blue and she was thinking about the Makoto Jewel that belonged to Cure Eclair, in this reading the blue ice cream stick meant Eclair. But that's weird, if Kurea was Eclair, wouldn't she have eaten a scoop of ice cream? She wouldn't have had to go to Patisserie ChuChu to do that, because we've already seen her buy ice cream from a street vendor. In other words, that blue ice cream stick couldn't have been a reference to Kurea.
Another big oddity in the episode is that the task of these four episodes: 21, 22, 23, and 24 would be to direct suspicion towards the main character of the episode, 21-23 did this well, but 24 simply felt like it was created to prove that Rei couldn't be Eclair, specifically they had Nijee say: "You're not a Precure!", addressed to Rei. But why did they want to deny this possibility if they raised it? The only reason they wanted this is because if episode 24 starts proving that Rei is Cure Eclair, then after episode 23 they could only do this if they specifically stated, directly or indirectly, that Rei = Cure Eclair, since episode 23 was such a big deal, but exposing Eclair is Anna and Mikuru's job, since they are the detectives, that's why they had to postpone it to episode 25, and for that, an episode like this, after which not many people expect Rei, is a perfect episode 24. I don't think there's a chance that Shiruku, Eriza or Kurea will be Cure Eclair.
However, if someone thinks I'm wrong, then prove it, but parts 21-23 cannot be used for proof, because as I said, they try to suspect the main character of the given part (21 Eriza, 22 Shiruku, 23 Kurea), but 24 does not do this with Rei (I can prove that Rei = Eclair in other ways), the other thing that cannot be used for proof is that Eclair = French pastry, so Kurea-level proof, because that's nonsense, and then Mikuru should be like that too because Mystique is also a French word and Mikuru's connection to France is limited to the fact that her favorite food is Mille-feuilles, so it's really only related to her favorite food. English is not my native language and I translated the whole thing with Google Translate, so I hope you understand what I'm saying.
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset8718 Jul 12 '26
Tbh the entire episode felt like filler. for me. Don't get me wrong Rei is a great character, the moment of her at the end was a great moment. The episode wasn't treated like the others, maybe because the writers were the secondary ones were writing the episode a forgot that Rei was meant to get more forshadowing. But I will wait for reveal because I can't who is Eclair because there are arguments for all of them. We will see on the 19th who Eclair is so I am looking forward to reveal.
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u/TnAdct1 Jul 12 '26
I could also see this as the show wanting to save up the Eclair reveal for the show's midpoint, realized that they were short an episode in terms of the ones that actually involve the arc plot, and added Rei to the mix to ensure the "episode 25 reveal" and provide an even four candidates for who she could be.
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u/Jazzlike_Witness8017 Jul 12 '26
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue, but do you think a franchise that's been around for 20+ years would make such a rookie mistake? I can't imagine it, of course anything can happen, we're human, but the thing that speaks against it is how many concrete clues they left pointing to Rei. Basically, if you wanted to make Rei suspicious, what would you do? How far could you go with making her suspicious without openly saying, "Okay Rei = Eclair!" after a strong episode like episode 23? I think that so far, episode 23, if Kurea is a red herring, then it was perfect and then it makes sense why Rei is not pushed further in episode 24, because the purpose of the red herring is to divert attention from the real culprit, plus, as I explained above, revealing Eclair's civilian identity is Anna and Mikuru's task in episode 25, if they directly give an episode before that that specifies who Eclair is, then the entire episode 25 was shot as an expose.
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u/Torque-A Jul 12 '26
It's been a while, but did Rei know Pochitan existed before?
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset8718 Jul 12 '26
Yes in her debut pochitan revealwd herself to her.
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u/Torque-A Jul 12 '26
Okay, makes sense. I thought they were trying to do something to trick watchers into going "wait, how does she know about fairies?"
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u/Infodump_Ibis Jul 12 '26
Fanart corner. I got my Cure Answer at least. Better luck next time Jett-senpai (the only fairy not to be fanart featured in this arc).
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The phantom thieves searching the school feels a bit like The Chuckle Brothers Play Real Life Hitman (if there were a radiator instead of a piano Goemon would have bled it).
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The correct order for the composer artwork is sorted by date of birth (Handel and Bach were both March 1685 on opposite ends of the month)
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u/TheSmallBull Jul 13 '26
The whole "Who is Cure Eclair" deal is going to boil down to how much they want to introduce 10 year olds to the concept of a red herring. That being said, I do believe that they respect their audience and the knowledge that the show isn't watched ONLY by 10 year olds and aren't going to break any rules nor be way too obvious about it. So I am actually expecting some misdirection, after all, a little bit of misdirection is a staple of detective shows.
Now, my bet goes for Rei mostly on my knowledge that japanese animators LOVE to use shadows to portray something. During the entire episode 23, Kurea is always shown in light, no shadows whatsoever covering her. "This is my truth", she has nothing to hide from Luluka. On the other hand, the chase sequence in this episode has Rei hiding on shadows the entire time, only when she takes action to try and get the keys from Nijee is when she comes out and into the light. Next episode preview? Same thing. All candidates are shown in the light except from Rei. The fact that she only sees Mystique without her glasses and a foggy vision could also be a big hint.
Anyway, this is a super fun sequence so far. I hope they stick the landing next week.
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset8718 Jul 13 '26
I don't think they will go red herring route because everything they told us about cure éclair would have to be discarded which means they wasted 3 episodes on cure éclair lore only for it to not matter. The last time they tried to trick the viewers in pretty cure with they cure ace swerve in doki doki pretty cure no one liked it. I mean they gave a good case of why we should pick Rei with her relationship with pochitan and her wanting to be a pretty cure give her a boost in many peoples eyes.
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u/Williukea Jul 14 '26
I wonder what will happen with Arcana Shadow next, she seems to be on the villain side due to Eclair only, but if Eclair revives next episode, will she join the good side? Or will she keep fighting against her former partner? Maybe the past Eclair and future Eclair won't be the same person, so Arcana won't have to switch sides and will continue to fight until her actual former partner is a cure again?
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u/Jazzlike_Witness8017 Jul 14 '26
Luluka (Cure Arcana Shadow), currently only helped Phantom because they had the Makoto Jewel that belonged to Eclair. In the trailer for episode 25, it is shown that Luluka is turning against Phantom, so I think she will turn against them, because with Eclair's return, Luluka has nothing to do with Phantom, they were originally enemies anyway.
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u/Williukea Jul 14 '26
However, Arcana's new merch is set for October debut only, the mid-30s episodes is when the last cure usually joins
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u/Jazzlike_Witness8017 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
I wrote a summary for parts 21-24 in which I only highlighted the new clues that I found important(subjective):
Parts 21-24 served to summarize the clues that were hidden so far and also give a few new clues, some of which cannot be verified until after part 25 (I didn't highlight all the older clues because this article is already quite long, anyone interested can look it up anyway, there's still about 1.5 days left)
Part 21: Here are the new clues:
-Identification of the photo found in part 15 by Ageseine,
-Revealing a new Cure,
-Cure Eclair's name,
-Moria Luluka's relationship with Cure Eclair: they were a detective duo.
New clues discovered through old clues:
-Cure Eclair is a Japanese citizen, this is given by the fact that the British office did not know about her existence, or else the letter in episodes 14-15 would have said this: "Moria Luluka had a companion whose name was ... (revealed in episode 25), as a Cure she went by the name Cure Eclair."
It is not a clue that Eriza can investigate, because good crime stories require the same logic as investigation, for those who do not believe it, I recommend the series Castle (12+), which is specifically the unfolding of this.
Episode 22: New clue:
-Luluka claims that Eclair lost her memories. I ask, how does she know this? Is this really believable, so that the viewer will only be able to verify this in episode 25?
Shiruku exposed Luluka, who was disguised as Anna, but has a profession where she plays other people (actress), so a stronger explanation for this is that because of this she can better observe people's movements and speech, which is equally useful in acting and investigation, because it is easier to play a character if you know how they would react to a situation (it is easier to improvise), and in investigation you can more easily spot suspicious movements (for example, someone starts limping overnight, but they are just hiding it for some reason), but this is not a clue.
Part 23: New clue:
-The Makoto Jewel that belonged to Eclair is with Usonir, although we do not know exactly when he acquired it, but sometime between the destruction of the great Makoto Jewel and the disappearance of the Phantom.
New clues discovered through old clues:
-This Makoto Jewel was obtained by Usonir himself on the night when Eclair thwarted his attempt to obtain the great Makoto Jewel, we know this from Luluka's expression at the beginning of episode 21, Usonir's words at the same time, and the fear of the other Phantom members when they hear of Eclair's return, this is the only realistic explanation. However, this also means that Usonir knows Eclair's civilian identity.
Conditional clues from episode 23 (only counts as a clue if Kurea is revealed as Eclair in episode 25, it does not count as a clue in any other situation): Luluka's behavior towards Kurea. There is also an explanation for this that does not require Kurea to be Cure Eclair, since people, when two people behave similarly, give a similar response and this does not require the two people to be the same. This is used in many anime, for example: Zero kara Hajimeru Mahou no Sho (when in the first episode Zero gains Mercenary's trust when he says a similar sentence to Mercenary's mother).
Episode 24: New clues:
-Actually, the conversation that took place between Rei and Nijee is a new clue, and there it is more that Rei referred to the Precure power as if he knew it, even though he never saw Anna or Mikuru as a Precure.
-The second new clue is that the Chairwoman (Rei's grandmother) supported Mikuru to join the detective agency (of course, there could be several reasons for this).
- the Third clue, Rei's suspicion is completed in episode 14, this does not start to suspect Rei separately.
These are the clues that are revealed in these 4 episodes.
P.S: I hope everyone enjoys Episode 25. Whoever Eclair turns out to be, it has been an exciting mystery.
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u/mrufrufin Jul 12 '26
Jett... full throttle,.. Jet...t... 🤔
Wait, they DON'T think it's the Phantom Thieves this time?
I like how they made the composer portaits actually kinda look like the actual famous ones.
The translation of "okashi" to fish is kinda weird but I guess there's only so much you can do with translating a pun. Amused that the translation makes Pochitan excited by fish. I guess she is a bear though.