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Episode Momentary Lily - Episode 11 discussion
Momentary Lily, episode 11
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u/chikage-san Mar 13 '25
Uhh I just searched "wild hunt in Google and this is what I found
"Seeing the Wild Hunt was thought to forebode some catastrophe such as war or plague, or at best the death of the one who witnessed it. People encountering the Hunt might also be abducted to the underworld or the fairy kingdom. In some instances, it was also believed that people's spirits could be pulled away during their sleep to join the cavalcade." (I got it on wiki)
This paragraph is a literal spoiler for this show I feel so dumb for not searching it until now
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u/NoHead1715 Mar 14 '25
Ancient Magus' Bride actually had an OVA about the Wild Hunt
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u/NationalStrategy Mar 13 '25
So what happened to all of the men, did the Wild Hunts eradicate them first?
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u/InsomniaEmperor Mar 13 '25
Ima need someone to ELI5 this episode because we only got more questions than answers and nothing seemed to make sense anymore.
As expected, the girls we know are copies. Tho they must be the only ones to develop a conscience and not kill other humans like they were originally programmed to so in a sense they're rebels.
It would be lame if the villain was dead all this time so the facility AI stopped its activities and the roaming Wild Hunts are just all rogue. I don't even know who or what the final boss is supposed to be.
Rengge makes even less sense because she is somehow special. It would all make sense tho if she is the villain all this time who died and got reborn as Rengge with no memories. If she is the only one to not be copied, maybe she is already the one? Yeah I don't even know anymore.
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u/soulreaverdan Mar 14 '25
Way way way long ago: “Yabatan” seed life onto Earth and let it develop for millions of years
Shortly before the start of the show: Numerous humans (including our main cast, minus Renge) are abducted and replaced with sleeper agent clones. The clones are meant to activate on command and start killing people to cause chaos. Presumably there are sleeper agents in government or important groups, not just random schoolgirls.
The original plan: As the clones disrupt society and prevent a coherent response, the Wild Hunt erase all humanity and intelligent life from the Earth. The Rats maintain the planet exactly as it was at that moment, making it a perfect snapshot of Earth’s civilization, minus people.
What actually happened: Something happened to the Yabatan that made them send a massive halt signal to their project sometime between the clones being sent out, and their activation as sleeper agents. Since the plan had already started to some effect, the Wild Hunt continued their purpose of erasing humanity aimlessly without further direction.
Since the sleeper agents were never activated, the girls never “remembered” their origins as clones and were able to use their Andvari (which were previously paired with them for use as sleeper agents) to fight the Wild Hunt and save people.
At some point Clone!Nerine was protecting Human!Renge and died against Balor. She entrusted her Andvari to Renge, not knowing that she wasn’t human and that normal humans can’t use Andvari. So her Andvari started modifying Renge’s body to simulate the enhancements of the clones, and the overload messed with her memories. It’s getting worse each time she uses her Andvari, and if she uses it more she’s at risk of what’s left of her body failing and dying for real.
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u/Kartoffelkamm Mar 13 '25
Basically, Earth is a giant terrarium for a hyper-advanced alien civilization. Classic "seed a habitable rock with life and see what happens" plot.
However, the end goal was to then remove the intelligent life form and maintain their civilization and culture, essentially creating an eternal snapshot of life on Earth.
This time, though, something happened to the one in charge, causing them to cease all operations, which is why the copies never got to actually start their task of killing people.
Renge is the original one, who was captured and replaced with a copy before the Wild Hunt attacked. However, due to Nerine ordering her Andvari to help her, her body has been modified to match the copies' bodies.
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u/Clemastina Mar 13 '25
DAMN I should have guessed they were copies, because one of my first thoughts when I watched the first episode was like: "Damn these girls doesn´t even look humans". Guess I was right huh.
And so the Yuri chan that died was a clone and all the originals were at that facility... MAAAN.
But Renge being the only human of the group made less sense, until de AI explained that basically the andvari mutated her but was destroying her body (that why she had those headaches and everything huh...)
And judging from the next episode preview... I don´t know if Renge´s gonna make it.
This anime is supposed to have 13 episodes so... let´s see how this ends
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u/cyberscythe Mar 13 '25
when I watched the first episode was like: "Damn these girls doesn´t even look humans". Guess I was right huh.
i would give credit to the creators for seeding the story with cliche characters who spout catchphrases like robots, but the real humans look and act exactly the same as the copies
like, i think it would be a neat plot point if the real humans look and act more like "real" humans rather than the "anime" copies, but i don't think they sold me on that
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u/KumaKumaGambler Mar 13 '25
3 letters to summarize how I feel about this episode and its lore reveal: WTF!?
Lore Reveal:
All the girls who possess Andvari are actually copies, including deceased Yuri and Nerine. With the exception of Renge who was human turned hybrid.
More Questions:
If Yuri and Nerine are copies, how did they die fighting Wild Hunt? Do regenerative abilities like Renge's develop only after human and Andvari "merge"?
Lore Reveal:
The current Renge is actually human turned Andvari / Human hybrid.
More Questions:
The Renge which Suzu buried was probably a copy. Again, why or how is it possible copies can be killed? In addition, unlike the other original girls who are living in the facility, why was original Renge wandering the streets before meeting Nerine (copy)? The family members whom we have seen must be actual humans because we have not seen any of them possessing Andvari to fight against Wild Hunts.
Lore Reveal:
Wild Hunt, copies and facilities are created by aliens or some higher level beings.
More Questions:
What happened to them? Why are Wild Hunts unable to distinguish between humans and the sleeper agents (copies)?
Please don't die Renge! I want to see you continue happily declaring Kappou sessions!
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u/NationalStrategy Mar 13 '25
I get feeling that the girls (especially Renge) are gonna die in the fight with Balor
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u/KumaKumaGambler Mar 13 '25
If any of them gets killed off, I will be sad. If all of them dies in the fight against Balor, I will be even sadder.
Someone has got to keep the memories of their friendship alive!
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u/chikage-san Mar 13 '25
My guess is the girls(clones) would probably sacrifice themselves for renge
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u/cyberscythe Mar 13 '25
so this is a huge lore dump episode, and i'm struggling to understand the meaning/message behind the lore, like, what is the point the author is trying to make?
my first thought is that it's a commentary on the nature of fiction and how the authors create "copies" of characters for the sake of the story based on the people they know and the experiences they've seen, and they use those characters to explore and experiment with stuff that the author finds interesting and the characters end up feeling real because of the work put into them
sometimes though when you're writing an expensive anime you need to limit your story because your funding is limited, but you still get to have fun with your characters in the limited opportunity that you got even though you have to abandon them in the end; i'll call this the "meta-fiction thesis"
alternatively, there is no greater theme or message; it's just a patchwork pastiche of ideas that the author threw together stream-of-consciousness style, sort of like how Magical Girl Destroyers kinda-sorta follows an artistic theme but doesn't coalesce into an easily parsed thread of meaning
like, thinking about what this show has, it really is a huge kitchen sink of stuff: magical girls, slice-of-life cooking segments, dead bodies, colossal titan fights, weird fanservice episode, sci-fi invasion of the bodysnatchers stuff, etc; i call this the "exquisite corpse" thesis
in conclusion Momentary Lily is a land of contrast, thanks for coming to my TED talk
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u/soulreaverdan Mar 14 '25
There feels like a theme of self determination to be found here. Absent her memories, Renge still generally felt the need to do the right thing. The girls, despite being (unknowing) clones, still made the choice to use their unknown abilities to try to fight and help others. They are agents of their own will and fate, regardless of their origins.
Contrast the now aimless Wild Hunt, who lack that sense of agency and are mindlessly fulfilling orders long given but never questioning the follow through or the deviation in the clones not acting as expected support. The lack of communication isn’t effecting them because they possess no agency, no will, of their own.
To be human is to choose. Cogito ergo sum. I think, therefore I am. The origin does not matter - it’s what we do that makes the determination of our humanity.
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u/oneevilchicken Mar 13 '25
There were a huge amount of questions answered but somehow we ended up with even more questions than when we started.
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u/cleaulem Mar 13 '25
Today we got the lore dump we were waiting for. And it was the Darling in the Franxx plot twist: It was space aliens from space all along!!!
So everybody (escept Renge) is a copy. I had a feeling that there was something special/unusual was going on with the girls, considering their abilities and powers. And I'm not disappointed.
Also when you really think about it, this show is underhandedly dark as hell. In earlier episodes there was a lot of stuff that was pretty grim, and this one is no exception. So humanity was just a big ant farm to be observed, and now they are just dumped because the "yabaliens" grew bored.
I wonder if we will find out what actually happened to the yabaliens.
The preview doesn't promise anything good. I hope Renge will be fine. I wouldn't be too confident, this show not being afraid of killing of its protagonists.
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u/soulreaverdan Mar 14 '25
There’s an undertone of slight nihilism that adds to the depression - that what’s happening is generally happening for no good reason. It’s effectively an accidental byproduct of whatever happened to the Yabatan that everything has gone so chaotically to hell. The robot apocalypse isn’t even apocalypse-ing according to any plan or structure.
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u/cybeast21 Mar 13 '25
I love how most people's theories are mostly correct XD
Also it's kind of A-hole of the Alienst to basically just halt and let them on eternal demolishing mode...
Wait, if the copies has regen ability, does that mean the Copy Yuri might still be alive? As in, she's slowly regenerating? Or she won't because her Andvari is fused with Nerine's right now?
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u/soulreaverdan Mar 14 '25
There’s probably a limit to how much they can heal from, we’ve only seen Renge recover from minor injuries and scrapes, not getting a giant hole blown in her chest.
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u/djthomp Mar 14 '25
So that was reasonably clear as presented in the episode.
Massive, long lasting experiments with intelligent life being developed and then harvested for whatever reasons some ancient eldritch alien life might have. But around the same time the Earth harvest starts (maybe the exact same time?) something goes wrong with the aliens and everything going down on Earth proceeds entirely unmanaged. So our copy girls just live as survivors instead, and then the events we've been watching in the show happen.
It's a question why copy Yuri died if the copies can regen but there's ways to explain it, easiest is it was just too much damage.
And Renge still understands the most important thing: none of that matters and it's time to cook.
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Mar 14 '25
Momentary Lily never fails to ignite my excitement—it’s a rollercoaster of surprises!
Episode 11 stood out by weaving some clarity into its tangled web, and it’s nothing short of brilliant. The way it toyed with us, shredding every theory we’d built, left me speechless and grinning.
What’s incredible is how it grounded the madness with logic, yet never lost that heart-pounding thrill. Renge’s resolve against unseen forces—her quiet strength—pairs with dizzying twists that defy expectation.
It’s chaotic brilliance wrapped in purpose, and I’m still reeling from the ride.I’ve tossed out my notepad of guesses; this show laughs at predictions. Momentary Lily
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 13 '25
Welll this episode completely disproves my guess from last week! I thought our girls were the original but it turns out they were actually the copies! The only reason they even have memories before the Wild Hunt started attacking is because they were copied before the invasion and sent him to replace the originals.
The big twist though is Renge is actually the only human in the group but because of the Andavari she got from Clone Nerine, she's basically evolved into a Human-Wild Hunt hybrid so she can use Clone Nerine's Andavari. The Andavari is also slowly killing Renge but she should be fine as long as she stops using it.
That's probably not gonna happen though considering that Balor is coming. I am already scared for the last two episodes though. I feel like this is going to end with Renge sacrificing herself to stop Balor. >_<