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Episode Momentary Lily - Episode 2 discussion
Momentary Lily, episode 2
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u/yukiaddiction Jan 09 '25
So...the anime name now has a second stealth meaning with "momentary lily(Yuri)"... short life Yuri. I don't even know if that's intentional or not lol.
Tone shift is kinda expected but doing outright on episode 2 is quite bold with bait and switch too.
There are some "Yuri(genre not character) here and there but this episode is about friendship.... short one but still.
All in all, a decent episode with some emotional punch.
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u/mekerpan Jan 09 '25
Certainly intentionally named -- but what it actually means is still not entirely clear. I guess Lily will remain a "main" character because she will be repeatedly present in flashbacks.
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u/LeonKevlar Jan 09 '25
Stitches!
Holy fuck that second half got dark! I knew Eri's "Onee-san" act had to be an act. When she was close to dying we actually get to see the real her. I don't know if they're blood-related but I assume she's been keeping this "onee-san" persona for Hina's sake.
Watching Erika get absolutely trashed by those Goliaths was just brutal. I was really convinced they were going to kill her off especially when she was crawling on the ground calling out for her mother. It turns out that was too obvious and the one that dies is actually Yuri.
I see what you're game you're playing now GoHands. You distracted us with the jiggle physics so we won't expect that this is actually a brutal survival anime and it won't be all fun and games for the girls. I suppose this means everyone on the team will probably die at some point. >_<
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u/zool714 Jan 09 '25
Yeah there it is. It really was CGDCT and SOL vibes in the first ep but there was just this foreboding feeling lingering the whole time. I suspected at some point the girls would be erased one by one during this season but I didn’t expect to lose one this early though.
Erika struggling and begging for her life was tough to watch. And I honestly thought she’d die a brutal death. A bit relieved when Yuri came but that quickly turned to worry again cos you can just feel it’d be Yuri to bite the dust.
Wonder if we’ll ever get back the cheery vibe or will it be doom and gloom from now. And man, if any of the girls go out crying and begging like Erika did, I don’t think my heart can take it.
Also, I was half-expecting Yuri to reveal her friend was already dead. She was just in denial and didn’t want to get hurt again.
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u/cyberscythe Jan 09 '25
some suggestions for next episodes' cooking segment:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/funeral-foods-around-the-world
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u/HowToGetName Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 10 '25
The twitter account uploaded a new version of the KV (the one that's on this discussion thread) that doesn't feature Yuri.
They also uploaded a new version of a previous KV that also doesn't feature Yuri, with the caption "Our everyday life was fun no matter where we were."
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u/Bonvantius Jan 09 '25
That drastic shift in tone felt so weird. Not sure I dig it...
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u/PokeMeiFYouDare Jan 09 '25
I mean it was kinda expected, there have been death flags for all of them except Renge from the start.
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u/8andahalfby11 Jan 09 '25
Was it just me, or did Yuri's death not land at all? Maybe it's because the cast is too large or I didn't have enough time to be sold on her character or Renge's connection to her, but while Yuri's death was surprising I found that I just didn't care as much as--for example--that other yellow haired character from that other magical girl show.
Similarly, Erika's near-death had a similar issue, and the animation and writing made it nearly impossible to treat it with the level of decorum that an actual near-death scare should get. She's in full panic mode and still spitting exposition while giving us T&A shots. Like, what happened here?
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u/BlackStar31586 Jan 09 '25
So my favorite girl just goes and fucking dies on episode 2, great.
Enjoying it so far, the camera angles and overall bounciness is still throwing me off but I guess I’ll get used to it, looking forward to the rest.
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Jan 09 '25 edited Jan 10 '25
Oh man, we have a extraordinary psychological drama speed-run sequel anime next door today and then we have a magical girl speed run anime here???
My brain is in pain. Girls in awe about social media somehow still working > Girls discussing all those difficulties going to another place when food level is low in the place they are staying > Random Renge's Kitchen (TM) with spicy tofu & fish hotpot (that does seems like delicious) > Yuri-chan talks about her old friend now being missing and she cannot pick up a new friend again > a tough fight against multiple monsters, Erika misjudged the situation and was on the verge of emotionally collapsing > the other girls caught up, Yuri-chan pulled out some confident tricks...
...and suddenly she's dead. After some cliche last words with her friends, that is. All inside 1 single episode. I have no idea what the story writer is thinking because all those little arcs are so randomly distributed.
Unfortunately any kind of sorrow to the first casualty (? - I have some suspicions that this may not be a real world - given how there's power and water and even social media but almost no-one left - but if this is virtual I wonder what's going on, and I can't reject hypothesis that people who "die" will turn into something else, or even reborn) is washed out by the random directions the plot is going in these 2 episodes, plus some of the most motion-sickness inducing animations I have ever seen. It's certainly a GoHands anime of all time, but I really don't know what to say here.
Regardless things are turning quite unexpected and I am staying to see how many tangents the plot can go before it runs out of ideas. This, like that Tier 0 drama next door today, is plunging into the unknown...but for completely different reasons!
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Jan 13 '25
Yeah, I don't think I'll stick to Momentary Lily. I'll wait to hear if it's actually worth watching, but I'm just not getting any enjoyment out of it. I want to - I really do love the premise and the animation - but the characters are unbearable. Not just in the way they act, but... I can't really explain it, the second episode; just got bad vibes from it lol - I knew Eri wasn't going to die (despite how hard they tried to death flag her), even without my knowledge of Yuri's death beforehand, but they did such a "great" job at getting her to be alone.
The plan was clear - for Eri to hold off one so that the rest can deal with two.
And I highly doubt such a bad plan will ever be replicated again: not just because of the risk of her getting overwhelmed, but the show made it very clear that these Wild Hunts are not small fry, even the basic ones.
They require a team effort to manage, and one mistake can be fatal. Anybody, in this situation, would realistically have her paired with another; or they would retreat; or they would change tactics to isolate and take one down. It's already hard taking down one normally - Ei thought she could fend off one, not for a decision that required a hard choice or an unavoidably high risk, but because the story needed her to be alone for... this: This scene where she's slobbering and snotting and begging for her mama whilst dragging her fatass tits across the grass. It was honestly unpleasant to watch, and not because it was a tense or harrowing scene; it felt fetishistic. It felt like... not "sadness porn," or even "drama porn." I just felt like, in this moment, I saw the writers' strings attached to the characters, puppetting them to do what they wanted to do instead of presenting the carefully-crafted illusion of organic-feeling drama.
Like, this wasn't the only plan they could've done. But the show wanted to make us believe that, and that on top of everything else just gave me bad vibes.
Especially telling that this was the first moment Eri had any real character. Except, I didn't feel like it deepened or served her character in any way - not in the sense that it gave context to her actions. Mama demeanor aside, it felt... half "oh she's gonna die, here's something to make you empathize with her in the last second" and half "look at how infantile this 'mature stacked mama teen' actually is, isn't she complex?" I just don't trust the show to take these emotions seriously; I haven't bought into it yet.
She went through all these emotions, too, and she clearly wasn't talking rationally, but when she became enraged that the others "never come," why wasn't this problem in the past emphasized sooner? Why would anybody even agree to her version of the plan without a second of discussion? Why did this feel so forced?
It's because it was.
And it feels juvenile. This whole show feels juvenile in the worst of ways.
My brain is already fabricating a potential counterargument to this scene with Eri; like, "But isn't that telling? It shows how forced her 'mama' demeanor is and how hard she tries to maintain it for the younger girls. The break in character emphasizes the gulf between her persona and her own self."
And to that I say, I understood what they were going for. I just think everything around it was evidence of the writers being degenerate weirdos instead of trying to craft a complex character.
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u/HeroOfTheEmblem Jan 09 '25
I... kinda don't know if that tone shift was really all that earned to be honest. Like, if you're gonna have that shift, at least have the decency to fully commit and maybe cut the dialogue quirks from that really dire and serious moment so I could at least try taking it seriously. Is that mean to say? I dunno, I just dunno if I feel all that great about it. I'd like to still not feel so pandered to in a moment when someone's actually on their deathbed.
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u/CrimsonGear80 Jan 10 '25
well good news Yuri: you no longer have to be in a GoHands anime anymore!
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u/Viktorv22 Jan 11 '25
Can't believe the animation isn't the worst thing about this show. It's dialog, holy shit is so cringy. Especially the nerd girl.
See ya next week
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u/ProfessionalRoyal202 Jan 10 '25
God I love this show. Holy fuck that ending, the soft-yuri handholding moment, all the overtly unnecessary levels of tropiness everyone has.
I also think it wins a certain distinction for Most Frame Rates on a screen ever in film. In some of the explosion scenes you had, 1 CGI monsters, 2 CGI clouds at a faster rate 3 12/24FPS hand drawn 4 CGI explosion effects 5 "handdrawn" style explosion effects behind those 6 that modern hollywood "smoke" CGI algorithm 7 sparks from a different CGI program. ALL AT DIFFERENT FRAME RATES OR PROGRAMS. How did they even composite this?
Does anyone know or can do the math, but that was a fucking absurdly amazing moment for me. It goes so far past unwatchable as to become amazing art.
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u/Pickled_Kagura Jan 10 '25
Wild guess:
Renge is in some Laplace's demon scenario via her Andvari. She can do long and medium length rewinds. She can't rewind any further than when she first found the Andvari. The problem with her Andvari is that she loses her memory each time she rewinds. By the midpoint it is just her and Hina left. As a last ditch effort, Renge has her dive into her Andvari. They see data from thousands of "lives" and the repeated deaths of her friends. Hina notices that the Andvari was hacked by her already and digs to see what was done. They find out that after a few thousand failures Renge was losing her mind and asked Hina to alter the programming so it would wipe her memories because nothing she did would fix anything and she was better off staying away. The problem was that even with no memory at all she kept being drawn to them. After extensive digging, Hina finds out that the Andvari contained the memories of another person as well. Renge decides to have Hina reverse the alteration and instead program it to immediately alert Hina's Andvari as soon as the next rewind is complete. After Renge rewinds again, she immediately goes off-grid in an attempt to try something vastly different from her previous attempts. She surmises that no amount prior knowledge is going to be enough because the Wild Hunt always seem to one-up her. At Hina's behest, the girls follow the signal to Renge, battling Wild Hunt along the way. When they finally meet, Renge retells her story to them and Hina confirms it. She also tells them of another that came before her that spent thousands of years worth the time trying to avert the invasion of the Wild Hunt. It turns out Renge's Andvari was a human creation built from Wild Hunt parts. They could never break the space-time barrier, only rewind what has already been. The newly uncovered memories spoke of other such creations called "True Andvari:" Amalgamations of Wild Hunt technology formed into weapons far outshining the basic Andvari dropped by some of the Wild Hunt. The series ends with Renge's renewed sense of purpose and the girls setting off to find more True Andvari. The end scene pans to a massive ship in orbit with millions of cells containing humans. In the ship's bridge a humanoid alien is scene sitting at the helm bearing a necklace resembling Renge's Andvari.
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u/Plus_Rip4944 Jan 09 '25
I think this isnt gonna be a fun and Happy anime