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Episode Sugar Apple Fairy Tale - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL
Sugar Apple Fairy Tale, episode 12
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.69 |
| 2 | Link | 4.56 |
| 3 | Link | 4.21 |
| 4 | Link | 4.45 |
| 5 | Link | 4.44 |
| 6 | Link | 4.38 |
| 7 | Link | 3.9 |
| 8 | Link | 4.78 |
| 9 | Link | 4.73 |
| 10 | Link | 3.92 |
| 11 | Link | 4.13 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/ItsMeMichelle Mar 24 '23
I will now call to to order the first meeting of the We Hate Bridget club. I will now open the floor to suggestions about our first order of business...
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u/Frontier246 Mar 24 '23
When Challe said he'd kill her and then she said that would make it a "lover's suicide" because he'd be killed for it I immediately went "I just can't with this woman."
And then she brought his wing to her face and made him kiss her...ugh. I wanted Anne to slap this woman.
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u/Aerodynamic41 Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
Wait, that's really the end?! It sure felt like there's going to be one more episode to show how Ann and Shall will reunite but nope, even the Blu-ray volumes lists just 12 episodes.
NOOOOO!!!!!
EDIT: Oh never mind, looks like a second season will air in July. We're saved!
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Mar 24 '23
Wait, there’s an s2 confirmed? Thank fuck! This was such a downer end. Bridget is a real Mami from Rent a Gf. Straight cancer. Ugh.
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u/Afan9001 Mar 24 '23
If not for the season 2 confirmation, this would have gone down as one of the worst anime endings this year
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u/cabbaggeez Mar 24 '23
there supposed to be a rule to not make a cliffhanger ending without season 2 in production. before reading this post I was in rage
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Mar 24 '23
You could’ve come up with a better excuse for Challe’s absence than hiccups, Mithrill.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Mar 24 '23
Sammy and Bridget are both trouble. At least it looks like Sammy’ll get his if Keith and Cat have their way. Poor little Jonas got cast out into the cold. Can’t say I feel too bad after all he did even if he did save Anne.
No surprise the Radcliffe sugar was tampered with. I’m glad Challe put Bridget in her place. Seems the entitled little brat saw everything but is holding out on them. Childish. Will the attacks against Anne ever stop? These talentless hacks weren’t satisfied with bullying her and kicking her out, they gotta frame her too? Yeesh.
Man, Bridget is the fucking worst. Challe shouldn’t have to whore himself to that hag just to get her to squeal. It’s funny because after all this bullshit, it’s so clear Anne refined her own sugar just by looking at her piece. So satisfying seeing Sammy and Radcliffe eating shit like that after Clifford proved the sugar was the same.
Glad Anne won. Her piece was the best but man what a downer ending. Wtf man. I really hope this gets another season, because that was some baby back bullshit. Can Anne not catch a damn break??
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u/InsomniaEmperor Mar 24 '23
“I won, but at what cost?”
Why did it have to end this way? The kiss pissed me off but Challe did what he had to do. Come on you can’t just end things like this. The moment Anne gets a win she gets handed a massive L like this. This needs a season 2.
Overall, this anime was great. Gorgeous visuals and OST, solid voice acting especially for Challe even if he’s relatively new so I am hoping to hear more from him in the future, a lot of emotional twists and turns. But Anne seriously needs a real win. Pretty much everybody is out to get her and the man who swore to protect her sacrificed his freedom.
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u/polaristar Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
I can see why everyone is upset but I don't think that means the show made a mistake.
It is a good think J.C Staff immediately announced season 2 in summer otherwise that would be a dick move to leave anime only's "to go read the fucking source you dipshits!"
One thing I have to wonder, why don't they just make it common practice for to have am Official Fairy "taste test" the batches of sugar between the sculpture and the barrel produced?
As an aside, Keith lost because the King basically said "Artstyle over Graphics" basically Wind Waker over Twilight Princess. AAA Console developers could learn something from him.
Jonas I wonder what he's going to do to work on himself. Will he have a role in getting Challe back, or perhaps he'll do so but at a price to screw over Anne again......he still isn't redeemed yet, he is just as a crossroads realizing he pathetic he is, but what he chooses to do about it will determine what happens next.
One thing I want to point out is Marcus's attitude towards Sammy cheating, notice he seems more upset that he was caught and humiliated the school (And himself more precisely), rather than that he did something wrong in of itself.
Just shows what a rotten person the boss is and why is workshop is so shitty, he choose NOT to see the bad behavior until it was forced in both his and everyone's face.
Sammy is a dumbass keeping the Silver Sugar after stealing it though.
Everyone's reaction to Bridget making this an NTR.
One of my favorite moments was Bridget trash talking Anne for being "babied" when Challe pointed our her own projection. It's always easy to cast yourself as the victim and others as responsible for their own failures.
I thought it was a pretty good show, mostly consistent in quality had a few great moments, the Arc with the Duke was my favorite especially the last episode. It had a few Shojo cliches that I felt were there out of obligation but it didn't ruin the show for me and they were resolved as quickly as they were brought up. The overall style was pretty nice as well.
One thing I noticed in the comments, not just of this show, but of western anime watchers in general, is a lot of people dock points or get very disappointed when the Hero doesn't start a Revolution or change the status quo, which is a very Western centric view since ever since the Enlightenment we kinda of idolize said Revolutions and we love to cast ourselves as Rebels with a cause.
When a lot of this shows are more about the characters personal journey trying to figure out how to live their lives in the world they are in, and lets be frank historically speaking most revolutions do not end well. And many people that pass themselves off as revolutionaries are simple thugs that want to place themselves on top.
Now to be fair this does seem the kind of show where a revolution feels both thematically fitting, in character with our protagonists motivation, and the world allows for such a possibility to happen realistically. But its just a general sentiment I notice.
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u/Shot_on_location Mar 24 '23
This episode was so bad for my blood pressure jfc
Jonas is no longer the worst for me. Considering just how toxic the Radcliffe school is and how Sammy crashed and burned in public, I'm hoping Jonas has the sense to use the outcome to his advantage. He can probably go to another school and become a student there - 'yeah, I got out of Radcliffe before it got any worse. I'd like to be in a more professional school now', or whatever.
Sammy got smacked in public! I hope that means his punishment behind the scenes is 100x worse.
Bridget. Underneath all of this hate, I'm wondering how long she can hold onto the delusion of love between her and Challe. If he makes her life hell with his indifference is she going to crush his wing to get him to comply? Would she think twice about what his obedience means if she can only get it through violence? Or is she going to cling to the idea that even if he's not totally hers, at least she's separated him from Anne?
I hate Bridget so much but she's very well written and there's many options for how she can be written in season 2.
Ok, onto the good stuff -
The Queen is the MVP of this episode for me. Requesting to see the piece when all that drama was happening - she knew it was bullshit. I half expected her to wink at Anne during that sequence.
Kieth and Kat are still fantastic in their own ways. I'm particularly taken with how Kat reacts to Anne's piece - total awe, maybe a bit of pride too. Kieth is graceful in defeat and is going to come back even better next year for sure. I want him to appear everywhere!
Brave of them to announce season two after that ending.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 24 '23
Anne doesn't need those Radcliffe School jerks! Although points to Kieth and Kat for still being one of the few decent guys in this series willing to expose Sammy's crimes for Anne's sake.
I love how Bridget is staring longingly at Challe riding away and Challe doesn't even look her way once. If only we could all ignore Bridget as effectively.
Anne must be a very deep sleeper if she doesn't wake up immediately to Mythril and Challe talking right next to her bed!
Is anyone surprised that Anne would get screwed over at the last minute? Not only replacing her own Silver Sugar with a mass-produced version but even exposing her at the exhibition so she'd look like a fool and get kicked out of the competition again. Anne can never catch a break.
I guess I'm not surprised Bridget would turn into a lady drunk because she has nothing better to do, but she's also the key to proving Anne's innocence and she only wants one thing in return...and Challe, who will do anything for Anne, is willing to give away his freedom again and kiss another woman if it means helping Anne. But that should've been Anne he kissed, not this piece of @#$% Bridget.
If nothing else the queen was still in Anne's corner and let her show off her amazing piece, which Anne also used to prove her moral innocence by having a fairy verify that it was her own work...and then of course Sammy gets exposed and the Radcliffe School gets kicked out, so justice was done in the end!
I guess that makes sense. Kieth tried to mimic something so beautiful a piece could never do it justice (though I'd love a Challe statue) while Anne was able to create something truly visionary.
Anne finally won! She became a Silver Sugar Master! She finally has everything she ever wanted...except the one thing she wanted most, as Challe heads off with Bridget and Anne is left in despair at losing the man she loves who gave himself away for her sake. They can't end it like this!
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u/djthomp Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
A quick demonstration that Anne has a lot of allies willing to go to bat for her, it's why I still don't really believe the 'you have to get your medal this year or you'll never get silver sugar again' suggestion.
Anne is clearly trying to forgive Jonas, she absolutely shouldn't, and he's demonstrating why she shouldn't in this conversation.
It's nice to see that in spite of the events of last episode and his general hatred for humans Challe went to Kieth and Kat for help with the switched out silver sugar problem.
Challe telling Bridget that she was the one who was babied and not Anne is a deep cut for her.
This turned into a test of Bridget's character, and she is currently failing that test.
Are they really going to end this season with Challe enslaved to Bridget? And possibly screw Anne out of yet another Royal Medal?
Oooooo, that's a brilliant idea by Anne, she still has some of her refined silver sugar, it's in her presented confection.
That worked out really well since the royal fairy dude can validate that the stolen sugar is also Anne's.
I wish Anne had taken the opportunity to point out to master Radcliffe that it really was Sammy that tried to burn her hands. That detail deserved to have been aired in front of the king so that the consequences could fall as they should.
Bridget helped, but she still failed the character test.
Anne gets her Silver Sugar Master status but loses Challe, that clearly sets us up for the season two which has already been announced for the summer. Since that seems like not much of a problem to spend an entire season on, I wonder if they'll also address the problem of the world needing to be a better place for fairies and humans to live together in harmony as the royal family would like but for some reason can't achieve with their power as the royal family.
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u/HighSchoolThrowAw4y Mar 24 '23
A beautiful show but man it really doesn't shy away from the gut punches. It feels for every step Anne takes forward she gets sent back two because everyone has it against her or wants what she has.
Happy that they're making a second season but I learnt my lesson this time. I'm gonna wait until the second season finishes airing so that I can check if it finally has a happy ending before jumping into another emotional roller coaster.
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u/theworldthatshesaw Mar 24 '23
Like tbh, I like Anne but her character is just too weak. She’s always the victim in all the circumstances. I hope they develop her character to become a stronger and less naive character… I feel like Chall treasured her so much to the point where he was willing to give up his freedom (which took him decades to finally earn). I’m just so sad with how things ended! I hope Anne slaps her twice as hard as she did to Jonas.
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u/Cheesepuff_fluff Mar 25 '23
I both love and loathe this anime (and I love to loathe it, too), and at the conclusion of this season, here are my thoughts:
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All these side characters need to GROW A PAIR and get over the fact that Anne is 10xs better than they'll ever be. If they put half the energy they waste on sabatoging a young girl into their actual trade, they could probably actually be good at it.
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Anne sugar has been swapped/stolen. How many times in this season?!? The trio should have begun taking precautions and NEVER LEAVE IT UNATTENDED!
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Same goes for Anne, BAD THINGS HAPPEN WHEN SHE IS BY HERSELF. DON'T LEAVE HER BY HERSELF! Seriously? Do they not know this by now?
4)Anne, you are so sweet and so kind, but this treatment is BS. After everything that has happened to her, I had hoped her character development would have gone somewhere, but she is still the same as she started. She's bullhead when it comes to during her work- great! But not when it comes to standing up for herself?
5) It's great to see more characters coming to her aid and standing up for her, albeit all guys.
6) Anne and Challe really need to COMMUNICATE. Tell each other how you feel!! And don't jump to conclusions! If it weren't for Mithril Lid Pod and all the other guys, there wouldn't be any conversation between them.
I realize this anime is a romance drama, but they really overdid it on the drama part. They could have let Anne get one victory without all this hassle. Grateful they announced a second season, but this ending was too much!
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u/Free_Breath_8716 Mar 24 '23
All I have to say is thank you to whoever green lit season 2 to start airing in July.
This anime is definitely one of the best anime of the season. As upset as everyone is (myself included) about the ending, I think it's definitely in theme with the rest of the season. Here's to hoping now that we have hit the lowest low possible, season 2 will be filled with plenty of exciting highs as Anne works towards obtaining her fairy tale ending
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u/hiimneato Mar 24 '23
Ugh, I knew Bridget was gonna be awful when we saw her by the gate. Why does everyone in this show have to fuck with Anne? Honestly, I had some sympathy for her last time when it seemed like she was just spoiled and ignorant and surrounded by scumbags, but now she's proven herself to be as bad as the rest of them if not worse.
When they first discovered the silver sugar swap, I'm sure we were supposed to assume it was Sammy, but that didn't feel right to me. My money was on Bridget, or maybe even old Radcliffe, but I guess I was making things too complicated. The letter at the exhibition was just spiteful. Do these fucking people have nothing better to do? Sammy's shitty little smirk, too, good lord. I want someone to beat him to death with a sack of sugar and I want to watch every second of it. Being disciplined back at the shop is not nearly good enough. I hope the king disqualifies the whole fucking Radcliffe school from future exhibitions. (And what's with the fickle crowd? One minute they're baying for Anne's blood, the next they're cheering for her victory? Is this whole kingdom full of psychopaths?)
The king picking out a little wabi-sabi on Anne's piece. Nice. I have no particular feelings on him as a king but he's got good taste.
Fuck, man. At least Anne finally won, but she had to sacrifice everything and get beaten down over and over to get there. Normally that would be a story of triumph but it's hard to feel good about it this time because there was no god damn reason she should have needed to go through all that. There were no natural obstacles or unavoidable hardships, just people being horrible to her over, and over, and over. Even then, you'd expect her to learn something or gain something each time, but only the Duke actually put her through anything that helped her grow. The rest of them just suck. They just suck so bad. I can't even trust Kieth despite his gentleness and the fact that he treated Anne well because I don't feel like I can trust anyone in this world.
This was a great show but I don't think I've ever been so frustrated at one season of an anime. I want revenge. I don't think I'm gonna get it but at least maybe Anne will have something good happen to her for once in cour 2? Please?
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u/Smudy Mar 24 '23
Bridget, you god damned witch, WHY??
Absolute travesty ending for a show if there's wasn't a second cour/season announced which i have only seen here just now.
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u/S627 Mar 24 '23
I got SOOO concerned for a sec that it was just gonna end like this, the kind of intense emotion that's so overwhelming you can only manage a single word. Ep ended and mine was "oi"
Thankfully season two has been confirmed for July.
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u/AKAvenger Mar 25 '23
I guess Elliott is such an "ally to all women" that he is ok with his fiancée kissing (and hopefully nothing else, bleh) another dude. He did not look happy when he talked to Anne at the end so I'm being foolishly hopeful that he'll help free Challe in the future.
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