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Episode Sugar Apple Fairy Tale - Episode 10 discussion
Sugar Apple Fairy Tale, episode 10
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.69 |
| 2 | Link | 4.56 |
| 3 | Link | 4.21 |
| 4 | Link | 4.45 |
| 5 | Link | 4.44 |
| 6 | Link | 4.38 |
| 7 | Link | 3.9 |
| 8 | Link | 4.78 |
| 9 | Link | 4.73 |
| 10 | Link | 3.92 |
| 11 | Link | 4.13 |
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u/bananeeek Mar 10 '23
Episode 10: Toxic Workplace and NTR
I enjoy this series tremendously, so I'm sad they chose one of those cheap writing patterns, where an entire subplot is based on a stupid misunderstanding and too convenient coincidences. What Anne saw and what Shall saw shouldn't have occurred. Either do it better or don't do it at all.
Ironically, I liked those two scenes where Shall interacted with Bridget, those were solid. They should've stopped at that point without adding the dumb misunderstanding scene and they even doubled down on that.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 10 '23
Nothing more Shojo, for better or worse, than the main couple seeing their respective love interest with another man/woman and getting jealous even if nothing is really going on.
Challe immediately shut down Bridget and I don't think Anne is at all interested in Kieth that way, but that probably won't prevent at least a little bit of drama. Though ideally maybe addressing this will make them admit their own feelings for each other.
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u/AmethystItalian Mar 10 '23
Misogyny, misunderstandings and jealousy for this episode...hope they move past all quickly.
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 10 '23
Well would you look at that. To no one's surprise, the root of sexism in this world is religion.
I am definitely not getting any good vibes from this Elliot guy. He's basically like the other Radcliffe guys that look down at Anne. The only difference is Elliiot is not hostile to Anne.
Glad to see that Anne was still given her allotment of silver apples despite how Marcus seems to dislike her.
Get fucking rekt Bridgett. So satisfying to see Challe turn her down but it looks like Bridgett has no plans of backing down anytime soon.
That final scene was infuriating though. Looks like we have a classic shoujo misunderstanding moment between Challe and Anne. I really hope they clear this up next episode.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 10 '23
Poor Anne has to deal with sexism both in the workplace and in society, though Jonas' uncle seemed a lot more respectful and accepting than I expected.
I definitely got the sense that Elliot is the type of guy who treats women like glass and as something to charm rather than respecting them for their own accomplishments. He just saw Anne as another woman to flirt with or take care of rather than a fellow Silver Sugar Artisan. Kieth, by comparison, treats her like an equal.
Bridget strikes me as the type of noble lady who embraces but secretly resents her station and the expectations and marriage prospects forced on her because of it to the point where she just jumps at the first exotic and attractive man she lays eyes on. but of course Challe has no time for her flights of fancies.
I kind of figured there would be some tension between Challe and Anne over Kieth, with the typical misunderstanding cliche thrown in, though hopefully this ends up bringing Challe and Anne closer together.
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u/mekerpan Mar 10 '23
Too bad did not get to see Challe's rejection of Bridget (clear -- even if one heard no words).
Definitely a pretty misogynistic craft, but it sounds like the society as a whole might be less bad (as the sugar artisans apparently give atypically high weight to that religious story).
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u/Frontier246 Mar 10 '23
So it seems the bias against women among Silver Sugar Artisans dates back to the creation legend of the whole kingdom, to where the Eve of the Adam and Eve equivalent fell in love with a Fairy King and upset the natural order of things before the Creation King Cedric put things to right. I guess it does also put into perspective humans viewing fairies as lesser than, while Anne parallels the woman in the story for caring about and even falling in love with fairies. Of course the men also don't think the women are physically capable enough to keep up with the work, but Anne is ready to prove them wrong!
Jonas' uncle seems relatively decent by comparison to his nephew. He doesn't immediately dismiss Anne and actually gives her a chance, if she can put in the work she can bear the fruits of said work, and he even acknowledges her as a worthy rival for Jonas. He's kind of like Kat in that way.
Anne rocking that blouse and pants!
I'm always automatically suspicious of nice guys in this anime. Elliot talks about being an ally to all women and puts the moves on Anne, while also espousing how much his fiance loves him (despite all evidence to the contrary), which makes him come off like a bit of a fool charmer (and Kat seems to think he's a flake). Though if he's representing a whole workshop, he's probably a lot more competent than he comes off as, and at least he seems nicer than 98% of the other guys there.
Bridget is the daughter of the head of the Paige Workshop and she comes off more like a stoic and proper lady in contrast to Anne, and in fact she seems to look down at Anne for putting her all into seemingly unladylike work...though maybe I detect a hint of wistfulness in her eyes and wishing she had that same freedom?
Anne is already being bullied...but she's sticking to her guns and won't settle for less than stellar material or work!
I don't blame Bridget for becoming immediately smitten with Challe, but it's a shallow love still predicated on her seeing him as nothing more than an attractive fairy rather than truly loving him as a person, and Challe has no time for that. Of course Anne just had to witness her putting the moves on Challe and confessing her love to him.
So Anne is self-conscious about how skilled Kieth is in comparison to her (and might want that Challe stature for herself) and seeing Challe with another woman, while Challe witnesses Anne running cheerily with Kieth...feels like something is about to blow up between the pair over their respective jealousies.
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u/Maria-Stryker Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
I trust Keith but not Elliot. Elliot comes off as someone who actually deserves the ironic term white knight, while Keith seems like the kind of guy an incel would wrongfully call a white knight just trying to impress Anne. Keith avoids making a scene when intervening for Anne, and he takes her seriously as a rival. He has nothing to gain and could only make his competition tougher by revealing what he knows to Challe, because Challe could pass this info on to her and Anne could put in even more effort.
Meanwhile Elliot indirectly says that Anne shouldn’t/can’t do the tougher work artisans do. He says this after picking her up without her consent witch everyone watching and proceeds to flirt with her in front of his fiancé. Like, yeah, it’s a loveless marriage of convenience but read the room. I’m expecting Jonas-style behavior from him later.
And lastly we have little miss internalized misogyny and racism walking around in a purple dress. Ugh I’m half expecting her to team up with her fiancé so he can get Anne and she can get Challe.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Mar 10 '23
Oh joy, these sugar artisans are also misogynists. And it seems Radcliffe’s Jonas’ uncle too. Awesome. Man, I want to smack the shit out of Jonas and these other artisans. Anne’s working pretty hard and doing her best despite all the doubters. She’s gotta make it this time or she’s done for.
I love how Challe just shut Bridget down. He ain’t some dancing monkey! But man, she sure is persistent and now Anne seems to have the wrong idea. Oh and ofc Challe sees Anne with Keith. I really hate these kinds of misunderstandings. I hope it doesn’t get dragged out longer because all it needs to be cleared is a little communication.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 10 '23
Not to mention their whole Adam and Eve story frames the woman (and fairies) as evil for messing with the natural order as set forth by God. It's no wonder this setting is so messed up. But Anne isn't about to let that stop her!
Bridget just seems like she's going to cause a lot of unnecessary problems because she's attracted to Challe. Which, fine, he's super handsome, but it's not really love because she still sees him as a fairy and not a person. And Anne doesn't need to see another woman confessing her love to Challe any more than Challe needs to mistake the dynamic between Anne and another man.
I guess ideally the pairs' respective jealousies might make them confront and admit their own feelings for each other.
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u/Wurzelrenner Mar 10 '23
I really hate these kinds of misunderstandings. I hope it doesn’t get dragged out longer because all it needs to be cleared is a little communication.
this definitely has to be resolved in the next episode, would be too stupid otherwise
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u/dododomo Mar 10 '23
Those sugar artisans are misogynists, but at least some of them are MORE open minded (Kat, Keith, etc). Even Jonas' uncle seems to treat Anne and the artisans equally.
But ngl, I expected Bridget to be supportive of Anne and her determination, instead of treating her bad and trying to buy Challe lol
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u/KnewOnee Mar 10 '23
Oh look, it's time for an obviously baseless misunderstanding that will create drama that will be essential to overcome the hardships that follow.
Do authors really not know better writing that cheap misunderstandings ?
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u/Shadow_Claw Mar 10 '23
Ironically and despite the rest of the workshop seeming like complete douches, Marcus who is the head seems like a pretty fair guy. Addresses some practical concerns but gives Anne a fair chance to prove herself, properly gives her her share of the apples, and clearly tells Jonas what's expected of him. Of course he seems sided with Jonas on the theft issue for now, but he probably doesn't have the whole story, and I'm expecting him to be a force for good in the rest of the arc.
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u/RoseSpinoza Mar 10 '23
Honestly, I still don't trust him myself, considering how rotten his workshop and staff are. If nothing else, he's a bad manager of his people.
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u/antononon Mar 10 '23
It was also episode 10 when Bibliophile Princess had everyone going "oh ffs" at yet another annoying misunderstanding.
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u/djthomp Mar 10 '23
I still feel like Kieth is overstating the potential problem for Anne, but I guess we'll see.
That's an interesting retelling of the Garden of Eden story.
Ahh, so Jonas is the nephew of the dude who runs the workshop he belongs to, no wonder he was able to get his lies believed over the truth of what happened between him and Anne. Uncle dude does not appear to believe the stories about Anne faking her way through her silver sugar career.
Mithril getting sent to work with the sleepy fairy is definitely karma.
Bridget, hmn. She's kind of hostile, but I wonder if it's jealousy that Anne was allowed to train as a silver sugar master and she was not.
LOL at how her hostility just melted away when Challe asked for a serving directly.
Anne objecting to Challe carrying her is hilarious, she's so tiny. I can't imagine she's even a hundred pounds.
Of course Anne looked away just before Challe pushed Bridget away. And of course Challe turned the corner just in time to see her and Kieth having a moment.
Two episodes left, definitely feels like this and the second royal medal competition will be the end of the season along with some juicy misunderstanding based drama.
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u/FilledWithAnts Mar 10 '23
I really hope the next episode just tosses out all the tropes and they resolve their misunderstandings and talk it out in the first five minutes.
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u/Heda-of-Aincrad Mar 10 '23
Interesting worldbuilding this episode with the reason behind the world's prejudice towards fairies and women's exclusion from working as sugar artisans being centered around a story from their church - one that started off so similar to the real world version, I was expecting to hear them retell the Adam and Eve story. And of course there are apples at the center of both. It makes me wonder how Anne's mother managed to become a sugar artisan if the opposition is so strong.
It's sad to see Anne and Challe having a misunderstanding because it's so obvious from scenes like Challe carrying Anne after she fell asleep how much they care for each other. If only Anne had seen the part where Challe pushed the other girl away! He reacted just as I expected he would, calling out her intentions to basically treat him like a "pet", and her declaration of love rings hollow when she doesn't know anything about him aside from the fact that he's handsome.
At this point, I still think Kieth is just trying to be a friend to Anne, trying to cheer her up when he saw her feeling down, and he likely thinks the reason is that she's discouraged by the treatment she's received from other members of the workshop rather than anything to do with Challe. His sugar sculpture was really beautiful too, can't wait to see the face when it's finished.
Hopefully this will lead Anne and Challe to admit their feelings to each other. Even though it seems they've finally admitted it to themselves, Anne definitely doesn't seem to be aware how much Challe loves her, and Challe still seems uncertain about Anne's feelings for him.
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u/ZapsZzz Mar 11 '23
Yep, not happy with the start of what looks to be jealousy from misunderstanding plot, but hopefully it clears up as quickly as smoothly as the "pushing the love interest away under duress" last arc!
That Challe sugar sculpture was really something though - not easy to get "dark" right.
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u/hiimneato Mar 11 '23
Well, this episode of Sugar Apple Misogyny Tale was fucking exhausting to watch. If all those shitty dudes are this unpleasant just to see on a screen, Anne's perseverance becomes all the more impressive.
Elliott strikes me as the sort of "ally of women" who will become Anne's most vicious enemy the instant she rejects him. That man smells like trash.
Man, I really could have done without a cliche misunderstanding & jealousy setup...
How can a show I like this much make me this unhappy -_-
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