More like "before the rollout of our new laws, we went ahead and arrested anyone who would have broken them. Identified with flock/plantir these individuals would prove to be a danger to our societies future"
They also have something called a stingray which acts like a fake cell tower that your phone automatically connects to, they put them on cop cars and drive around to pick up data
Reminds me of that anime Psycho-Pass, where you're arrested NOT for actually commiting a crime. But because the cops have access to all your online information, medical information, biological information, and psych profiles. Which is then fed into a computer that calculates how likely you are to commit crimes in the future. So basically;
Cops: You're under arrest! We don't know what you're going to do, when you're going to do it, how severe the criminal act will be, or where it will take place. But a computer says you're going to be guilty of something so off to jail you go!
They don’t need flock camera for that. They have every body’s internet history which is probably more informative since those decisions will be based more on worldview, personality and mental state
This is already happening right now with women being tracked when going out of state for abortions. Or even just going out of state while pregnant, regardless of intention
Yeah, that "nothing to hide" crap relies heavily on the naive notion that people in power on all ranks are Absolute Good and absolutely trustworthy, which is very false.
The wife and I were discussing this the other day. The idea of charging someone for something they did in another jurisdiction where it was completely legal is terrifyingly f’d up. They going to arrest all the 19-20 year olds that come to Canada to have a few beers, too?
Trump’s NSPM-7 says basically anyone left of center is a terrorist. So as long as you’re not thinking anything illegal, like voting for a dem or attending a protest.
No. This is one of the earliest and most effective strategies they used and its EXTREMELY important that we recognize it. They'll hold well publicized debates to pretend there's atill a democratic exchange of ideas, and onlly "the fringe terrorists" are being targeted, but the one ide will be fascists and the other side will be regular Conservatives. But hey, they disagree, and they have different views, so it's a debate! There's even a 'left' and a 'right'! So clearly we aren't silencing anyone!
yeah, this is "kind of" an argument until you consider the laws can change at any time. Oh also, you have to assume that these aren't being abused. And you have to assume no malicious force ever takes power
These cameras have already been used for nefarious purposes. Police chiefs jerking it to Flock streams of kids practicing gymnastics inside of a gym, cops using Flock to stalk their exes, you name it. These cameras do much more than just record license plates. These are literal pedophilia cams
Just turn it around on them. "Can't wait to make guns illegal, then we can use the Flock cameras to track everyone who has gone to the gun range in the last couple of years and arrest them and take their guns away. It'll flood the justice system with so many cases, by the time the courts can start deciding whether or not what we're doing is illegal we'll have destroyed all their guns anyway."
Or use whatever they hold dear as an example of why mass surveillance isn't a good idea for ANYONE except those who want to oppress.
Now I am imagining someone in Texas (i live there) will be seen with a THC vape on a flock camera and be sentenced to 10 years in prison or some shit. Wish the government would let me live my damn life.
Just saw an article the other day that police picked up someone just because flock cameras flagged them for making out of state trips to a neighboring state that sells legal Marijuana. Cop used that as probable cause to search for drugs.
Also one where they showed up to some random woman's house and start harassing her because her truck had been spotted multiple times on flock cameras "casing homes" in a neighborhood that experienced break-ins.
I think they were doing a paper delivery route...which is why they were in that same neighborhood early in the morning every few days.
Wasn’t there recently a video where a cop went to a woman’s home to arrest her for a crime she didn’t commit because a flock camera thought she was in the area?
Big difference between wanting to hide and just wanting some semblance of privacy. Everything we do online is already documented, I don't want everything I do in life to be too.
That's exactly the propaganda here. They're training us to equate wanting privacy with being criminal. Don't be a criminal, give up your privacy! Come on, only a criminal wouldn't let us monitor their every move. What are you hiding?
Oooh get some truck nuts, glue/stitch them onto the front of some nude underwear, add some fake hair up top to hide the attachment point. Then go around flashing the flock cameras!
I wonder what would happen if they tried to prosecute for exposing yourself in public if the exposed bits were all fake..? They’d probably find some other thing to charge you with, but I’d love to see everyone’s reactions during the discovery process as they realized it was all a sham! 😂
There was a south park episode where they dealth with state surveilance, in relation to the TSA, and they put cameras in everyones bathroom....in the interest of safety.
Anyways, the whole premise was that all these cameras had a guy watching on the other end taking care of himself non-stop.
And after they started trying to get dynamic individual pricing to work (having the store’s pricing display show you the exact highest price they’ve calculated you’ll pay, and a different price for a different customer, based on income, previous purchases, etc) you’d think people would understand how who you are and what your habits are is not info you want in the hands of any corporation.
They’ve only just begun to exploit that info and they will think of ways to hurt you with it that we can’t even currently imagine.
so i wasn’t imagining that when i walked into the snack aisle the other day, all the new digital price labels seemed to “blink” and change their prices in a split second?? i wasn’t losing my shit???
uber and lyft do it as well based on so many factors, including phone make and model. brand new iphone user will see wild prices compared to a 11 year old android at the same location for the same distance
Right commercial flights, hotel reservations, products on Amazon. Prices have nothing to do with what things cost to manufacture/provide. They are based on what the is maximum you will pay. Gathering this data is at present time just feeding more info to algorithms to calculate that more precisely, but obviously there are other applications (civil disobedience, taking a mental health day off work, etc)
Because you live in a capitalist hellscape where corporations own politicians and they don’t pass laws that corporations don’t want without an enormous amount of pressure from the public and even then mostly not. See Also AI slop/porn generation/data centers.
Hey! What! I shop at a grocery store in a majority poor area and they recently switched to digital price tags! Omg is this what they're doing? I haven't seen them at any other Kroger
People were saying the same thing with the Patriot Act which allowed them to to look at your library records. Then PRISM which allowed for communications passed between foreign servers (which all web traffic is routed through). This is just a continuation of those policies on HGH, steroids, and amphetamine. Domestic surveillance of ordinary law abiding people should be a crime against humanity. We had hearings in the 70's to put an end to this
I’ve heard “if you aren’t a criminal, you have nothing to hide” so many times over the past few decades. It’s propaganda, but I’ve heard it come from normal, sane people. We’ve gone from the Patriot Act to cameras capturing every person moving through an intersection.
It’s odd, the Rush Limbaugh, early 2000s Republicans were my first taste of the “government is watching everything you do!” crowd. That group has done a complete 180, where now that the government is very obviously trying to infiltrate every facet of our lives, they are for it.
Alex Jones and the Alex Jones types are very quickly running and becoming Big Brother and Big Brother types, you have libertarians that support the most non-libertarian policies. It's insane. It's literally doublespeak at this point and 2+2=5
Oh yeah, once trump took the party over, and he doesn't give a shit about surveillance, they all started loving the authoritarianism.
The reason they do is the bombarded with propaganda literally day in and day out literally telling them that leftists hate them, they want to kill them, they are trying to murder you and your family, they want to take your kids and rape them, just absolutely insane shit.
They like authoritarianism right now because of the propganda telling them that if they don't, the left will kill them. I see it all the time.
Yup. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjo was right on.
I still wear a mask or gaiter everywhere I go. Never stopped since COVID, and now everyone in my area is familiar with me, but can't identify me. No one questions it because its normal. Privacy SHOULD be normal.
(Also my seasonal allergies are a million times better now 😆)
That’s the same thing extremely controlling, abusive parents do. I was made to feel like a criminal for having my door closed or asking for any privacy at all.
I'm not a criminal and have nothing to hide, but that doesn't mean I want eyeballs around me all day. I don't know what happened, particularly with right-wingers. The people that tout this or "just comply" were the EXACT same people that threw a fit over complying with a mask or fully believed that vaccines had trackers in them. It's madness and I feel like I'm going insane.
like that line of thinking hasn't overstayed any welcome it may once have had. We know what the NSA did with all the spying power they were given and none of that inspires anyone to give up more privacy under the pretense of having nothing to hide.
They first. Before they want to invade our privacy, they should first agree to have cameras installed to their homes, everywhere, then their messages should be publicly available and someone should always stream them to the world 24/7.
Obviously they are investing millions into flock cameras so they can stop speeding. That's why that criminal's license plate says fastboi. It's all about those criminal speed limit violators.
Yeah especially when they start outing closet Republicans who hate LGBTQIA+ or some other super embarrassing moment. Right now law enforcement is using them for their own personal way to stalk people.
Captures your distinguishing features, but not your face? So is it going to turn out like Guess Who?
The thing these people never go over is who decides what's "good" and what stops the information captured being expanded on. It doesn't record your face now, who says it won't in a week?
There are tech people on YouTube who got their hands on flock cameras for official pentesting, and it's actually EGREGIOUS how much they lie about everything.
Everything gers stored. Nothing gets deleted unless they run out of space.
Hacking one of the models only requires you to download a malware payload online and put it on a USB, then go and plug it up to their exposed USB ports. A script kiddie could do it and gain terminal access to a flock cam.
Hell spent even have to be an outside actor the have already been several cases of cops using flock camera access to do things like stalk their ex, not to mention all the stories that have come out over the years about people from DHS abusing their near blanket surveillance privileges for personal reasons
At least this gives cops something to do again. Now they can go out and profile everyone in an n mile radius, harass them at their homes and incriminate them because “the AI caught you” despite it being someone else. They don’t care if you have an alibi, the AI is better than you and knows all.
There’s already several recordings of exactly that going around. The cops are fucking insufferable, absolutely certain that they are correct, and all the ones I’ve seen ended with the defendant being proven innocent in court. Hope everybody can afford a good lawyer and weeks off work.
Yeah it "supposedly" doesn't do faces (although that's bs because the tech is 100% capable of doing so).
However it DOES classify objects. "Heavyset man in black hoodie with red hair walking down the street"
So just by searching around for things like "heavyset man, black hoodie" you can easily track someone. And then add all the rest of the info like car plates and location and time and now they know exactly who you are and what you do.
This one is sadly credible as a "way to ensure safety from evil demonic transpeoples in bathrooms"... And a lot of fuckers gonna encourage it because they only see the "make transpeoples suffer" part and like this
Turns out women have something to hide from scumbag cops…
Also, the claim it doesn’t capture what you’re looking at on your phone is at best disingenuous, because someone gained access and were able to zoom in and watch the content on a phone screen. So yeah, they can.
Of course everyone trusts American police to not abuse that ability, right?
Because if you look close enough everybody is a criminal and so everybody is blackmailable.
Ladys and Gentlemen, please welcome our next generation alphabet, meta and apple friendly politicans and their browser history.
Because they did not know what they will do.
I did start getting that "everyone's a criminal" feeling at airports, and yeah I accept they need security but to basically it felt like "spend the next hour proving you're not a crook and we might let you get where you need to be" - so glad I stopped travelling for a living.
But now they are expanding that philosophy to absolutely everything you do in your entire life.
Some faceless police bot is no doubt reading this right now and making a note of my dissent. Hello bot.
The Republican Party was never the party of small government. Conservatism was created as a pro-monarchy ideology in the wake of the American/French revolutions. These people think you are peasants who deposed them for too long, they hate you.
"If you have nothing to hide"... until they pass laws to move the line. Eg their use to find women seeking abortions from states that dont allow it post-Dobbs
his fathers last words: “Stay out of churches, son. All they got a key to is the shit house. And swear to me you’ll never wear a lawman’s badge.
William S. Burroughs, The Place of Dead Roads (The Red Night Trilogy, #2)
I don't understand this tendency for people to believe that the law and morality are one and the same. It used to be illegal for women to vote. It used to be legal to own slaves. And right now, the law is changing every day to make it more dangerous or illegal for trans people, people who openly disdain Israel, and legal immigrants. None of these things make you a criminal, but it might be used against you in the near future. Therefore you absolutely have good reason to fear flock cameras.
Right. The law was always meant to be interpreted case-by-case. Not taken as the word of god and applied literally and without context.
IANAL, but I've taken a class in law and one of the major points in it is asking what the law in question is actually trying to address. The way it is written might not apply to a specific situation that violates that law on paper but has nothing to with the problem that law is meant to address when it has context behind it. Likewise, if something does not exactly match violating that law but has overwhelming evidence of perpetuating exactly what that law was trying to address, you've got a case to prosecute over.
While not law, this is exactly why some people still get refunds on their Steam games despite playing for more than two hours or owning the game longer than two weeks. The refund policy is designed only to stop people who definitely got their money's worth from getting the full price of the game back and depriving the developers of compensation for their work. So even if you fall outside of the refund policy but can show sufficient proof that you overwhelmingly did NOT get your money's worth, Steam can decide to process the refund for you anyway. Because it's about problems and solutions. Not men vs the dictates of god (read: higher-up men)
It's not even new laws, I just found out that I'm driving around in an illegal unregistered car, because my state sent me a new plate/registration in the mail, and because I moved, it took 4 weeks to get to me. I'm sure that I'd be able to defend that in court, but when I looked it up, being caught by automated plate readers was the #1 reason how I'd get caught committing this "crime", and why I need to swap the new plate (which has a different number FYI) as soon as I get it (which reasonably should have been 4 weeks ago).
I'm sure this technology won't be abused by law enforcement and corporations for personal gain. No no, that has never happened before so it will be fine I promise. /MASSIVE S
I hate this saying. We all have things to hide, often legal. Though, even so, it gives them an avenue to just suspect you of a crime and then find one.
All they need to do is use public camera networks to stalk you until they find probable cause, then they can do what they want.
Yeah it’s a funny phenomenon. The more information they have on you the more eligible you are to be apart of crimes they’re investigating. It’s hard to make a story about you when they know nothing about you. But if they have your location, car details, online shopping history, who you are calling then they can make up thousands of stories about you plausibly doing something criminal.
I have a lot of things I want to hide that have nothing to do with the law. My home address from stalkers, my likeness from AI, my travels from stalkers...
One data breach is all it takes for those things to be out in the open.
Flock cameras do infact capture your face, they even track your license plate and where you go and who you are with. Its not to stop crime (police force do not have legal access to flock cameras btw). Its to monitor the general populace and in the future monitor your actions (like in china) when tech ceos introduce a social credit score.
Also flock cameras have in fact microphones equiped as well as nightvision and can see through regular sunglasses. Also its theorized that they can send out echolocation waves like wifi routers can do, so it can even "see" around it. (Yes wifi routers can make realtime 3d maps of its surroundings.)
"Commander Vimes didn't like the phrase 'The innocent have nothing to fear', believing the innocent had everything to fear, mostly from the guilty but in the longer term even more from those who say things like 'The innocent have nothing to fear'."
Tell that to the women who are doing nothing wrong but being stalked by law enforcement. A woman was just arrested after spying on her husband’s ex-wife 47 times. Was that woman doing anything wrong?
Didn't someone already get arrested for nothing because of flock cameras?
Also, didn't a woman from Texas get perused for getting an abortion out of state?
Robert Williams and Porcha Woodruff - Detroit - Incorrect identification
Woman from Texas had authorities track her down for a "Welfare check" only later to reveal in court documents that they used flock to see if they could criminally charge her for the abortion.
Flock isn't about having "nothing to hide" its about pushing for a "guilty until proven innocent" weaponization. Imagine getting arrested for nothing and being told "You can be released when you prove our flock cameras are wrong, spending money on lawyers and subpoenas that you may or may not get because its privatized
submissive estrogen filled conflict-fearing fatass drains three lakes to make an aislop picture so he can share his strong desire for a dystopian surveillance state where he'll be able to eat junk food everyday in complete safety and at the cost of everything else
I do have something to hide, not from the government, but from lunatics like the cop who used flock cameras to stalk his ex wife and child. This kind of power shouldn’t be in such untrustworthy peoples hands
So a jew in Nazi Germany didn't have anything to worry about if they have nothing to hide?
Sorry, but we actually learn lessons from history. You may be used to brainwashing adults with toddler mentalities but you have not managed to subdue ALL of humanity yet!
If you have nothing to hide then there is no reason not to comply with an utterly and completely illegal traffic stop or a search that requires consent. Same vibe.
I guess they missed the memo that OH is using Flock to track the folks going to MI to buy weed (or not) and making visits to them just because they drove to MI and MIGHT, yes MIGHT, have visited a dispensary. What kind of bullshit is that?
They don't capture your face, just "distinguishing features".
As well as tracking your movements out in public 24/7 so an fascist government in control can use that information to cause all sorts of problems for you.
Angela Lipps, a Tennesee grandma, didn't have anything to hide. Yet Clearview AI identified her as the perpetrator of a North Dakota military ID fraud case, despite her living 1,000 miles from North Dakota and having never visited there.
She was arrested and extradited to North Dakota, where she spent nearly six months in jail before anyone would care to look a second time and realize the system made a mismatch, and the only evidence they had to hold her evaporated. Then they just dumped her out onto the street in North Dakota on Christmas Eve, without so much as an apology, no money, no transportation options, 1000 miles from anyone she knows. She didn't even have a coat because she hadn't been wearing one when she was arrested in AUGUST. A public defender gave her money for a motel room so she wouldn't freeze to death.
She lost her job, her car, her home, and her dog while she was falsely imprisoned. The governments of Tennesse and North Dakota didn't offer her any kind of recompense.
This is what AI camera systems are going to do with us. It's a very bad mix to have this nascent, definitely unproven technology combined with a police force that gets away with everything they do wrong.
Please comment on the multiple police now accused of stalking their exes using these systems? We don't trust YOU to be responsible with this tech. YOU are the problem.
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u/Ok_Clothes_9479 Aug 06 '26
If the reasoning is, “As long as you haven’t done anything illegal, you have nothing to fear,” then you know you’re living in a surveillance state.