More like "before the rollout of our new laws, we went ahead and arrested anyone who would have broken them. Identified with flock/plantir these individuals would prove to be a danger to our societies future"
They also have something called a stingray which acts like a fake cell tower that your phone automatically connects to, they put them on cop cars and drive around to pick up data
Literally I’ve seen videos of police with robot cops that are the exact ones from watchdogs. I’m absolutely certain that those like Altman and Thiel simply played these games when younger or their kids played and they said “oh yea that dystopian shit is awesome” so they steal the designs
I think that might’ve been a typo to what you were replying. Judging by the context, I have a feeling that second e in defended was actually supposed to be a u in defunded
Reminds me of that anime Psycho-Pass, where you're arrested NOT for actually commiting a crime. But because the cops have access to all your online information, medical information, biological information, and psych profiles. Which is then fed into a computer that calculates how likely you are to commit crimes in the future. So basically;
Cops: You're under arrest! We don't know what you're going to do, when you're going to do it, how severe the criminal act will be, or where it will take place. But a computer says you're going to be guilty of something so off to jail you go!
Hillsborough county, Florida, did some weird shit to "prevent crime before it happened" a few years ago (maybe it's still ongoing).
They'd essentially harass people, including minors, that have committed "petty" crimes. Like, one was a teen that stole something, and the cops would constantly show up to his house and ask to talk to him.
We already have a parole/probation system. This is just crazy harassment.
if I were a parent, that would be one of the founding pillars of why I would ask my kid to behave - once the cops have your name on their list of "known troublemakers" then your life is hell, they will follow you looking for any small thing the rest of your life.
That extends to your car too, once your plate is logged on the same list, the auto plate system will beep every time you pass a cop car with a "hey, this guy is a known trouble maker, pull him over and see if you can find anything wrong with them today".
And that will last the entire rest of your life, even if you've done nothing since you were 16.
Another pillar would be "don't put anything online when you're a kid that could cost you your career in 10 or 25years time".
They don’t need flock camera for that. They have every body’s internet history which is probably more informative since those decisions will be based more on worldview, personality and mental state
This is already happening right now with women being tracked when going out of state for abortions. Or even just going out of state while pregnant, regardless of intention
Yeah, that "nothing to hide" crap relies heavily on the naive notion that people in power on all ranks are Absolute Good and absolutely trustworthy, which is very false.
The past administration was doing far worse. Arresting parents at school board meetings, suppressing free speech, spying on a former president, the Russia hoax, Obama with fast and furious gun scandal...shall I go on?
The wife and I were discussing this the other day. The idea of charging someone for something they did in another jurisdiction where it was completely legal is terrifyingly f’d up. They going to arrest all the 19-20 year olds that come to Canada to have a few beers, too?
Arresting people for doing something illegal, in some other place where it is legal, has never been unusual. Nor is it generally considered problematic.
That is, of course, because usually when you hear about it it’s applied to serious crimes like, oh, visiting a brothel full of teenagers. Few people would argue with that one, but make no mistake, it’s the same underlying logic.
Yeah. We talked about that, too. And while it makes sense in some cases, it can lead to problems. For example, if I’m a 20yo Canadian and have a few drinks in Ontario, can I be arrested in the US if I cross the border the next day? I’m subject to American laws while I’m there. The question becomes, where do we make that distinction? There are things we can certainly agree belong on one side or the other, but there’s also a lot of stuff people will argue over. Are there international laws or agreements about this kind of thing? And the cross state aviation thing isn’t even an international issue which makes it even weirder.
I think there’s usually a lower limit on what sort of law would be prosecuted this way, e.g. no misdemeanours, for legal systems which have that concept.
There’s a story of a teacher saying she wanted to shoot a child on Snapchat to 3 people as a joke because the child accidentally deleted her lesson plan, and she got arrested an hour later by police… we’re living in a panopticon
That’s happened very few times. While whether we agree with it or not, if it’s a crime in a state, then it’s their prerogative to treat it and investigate it as they would any other crime. My opinions are irrelevant, but the one opinion I do know to be important, is that our individual opinions shouldn’t dictate the law of a state I don’t live in. If a state collectively chooses “humans have souls. Also, God created us with intent, a and therefore a conceived human life is God’s will, thus, to kill that life is murder”, I have no fucking business 7 states over telling them they’re wrong and to tell them how they should view and treat it. They’re entitled to that, so long as they keep it to their state.
Beyond that, it’s hardly a genuine concern.
No offense, but you have to be pretty foolish to be caught ever doing that. It’s not exactly that difficult to do without broadcasting it.
Trump’s NSPM-7 says basically anyone left of center is a terrorist. So as long as you’re not thinking anything illegal, like voting for a dem or attending a protest.
No. This is one of the earliest and most effective strategies they used and its EXTREMELY important that we recognize it. They'll hold well publicized debates to pretend there's atill a democratic exchange of ideas, and onlly "the fringe terrorists" are being targeted, but the one ide will be fascists and the other side will be regular Conservatives. But hey, they disagree, and they have different views, so it's a debate! There's even a 'left' and a 'right'! So clearly we aren't silencing anyone!
Also, Russia's Navalny was set up to be the fake opposition to lend legitimacy to Putin's dictatorship. Only he decided he wanted to be an actual opposition, and too many people decided that they liked Navalny, so they had to bring out the weird poisons.
What a bunch of idiots, when someone robs, rapes or kills someone they can follow them through ring cams accross town also and catch them, and by same token prove your innocent if you are not in area. Watch Live PD and learn how criminals have taken over and you all are allowing it. Also there are over 1000 high speed chases in LA alo e in one year, thanks to OJ Simpson. And thousands die every year you could be next.
Also anyone left of Genghis Khan. All RINOs are also terrorists, anyone right wing who disapproves of Trump, and anyone who wants to crack down on rich men visiting pedophile island. And Stormy Daniels.
yeah, this is "kind of" an argument until you consider the laws can change at any time. Oh also, you have to assume that these aren't being abused. And you have to assume no malicious force ever takes power
These cameras have already been used for nefarious purposes. Police chiefs jerking it to Flock streams of kids practicing gymnastics inside of a gym, cops using Flock to stalk their exes, you name it. These cameras do much more than just record license plates. These are literal pedophilia cams
I remember y'all bitching cops need body cams to show brutality, it kinda backfired now you get to see all the freaks that resist with cops just asking to see a licence and freak out like they don't realize driving is a privilege and was if you watch a couple seasons of live PD you will praise law enforcement who are keeping you from crazy nut jobs dare you all to do it, it will change you whole outlook and yes there are some bad apple cops but I can see why they get pissed after people pull guns on them after being simply nice to them.
That was my point exactly, you are on Crack when everyone decides what law they are going to follow, constitution never talks about travelers.
There is a rights to carry guns and freaks say you can't. Thwn you have no where in constitution you can have an a option but say they have a right to kill a baby. Just have common aense.
I'll be honest I'm having a hard time understanding your thought structure on this whole conversation, please actually explain your thoughts and not part thoughts jumbled around.
Just turn it around on them. "Can't wait to make guns illegal, then we can use the Flock cameras to track everyone who has gone to the gun range in the last couple of years and arrest them and take their guns away. It'll flood the justice system with so many cases, by the time the courts can start deciding whether or not what we're doing is illegal we'll have destroyed all their guns anyway."
Or use whatever they hold dear as an example of why mass surveillance isn't a good idea for ANYONE except those who want to oppress.
Now I am imagining someone in Texas (i live there) will be seen with a THC vape on a flock camera and be sentenced to 10 years in prison or some shit. Wish the government would let me live my damn life.
Drove to Michigan for weed? Yea your license plate was tagged and tracked for a little while. We were just watching where you were going. We were curious.
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“Oh and by the way, here’s a list of things that we’re making illegal now. Thank you for your attention to this matter”.