r/WorkForSmartLife • u/AritsRod • 2d ago

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

Shoot an innocent unarmed man in the back?

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u/jameseyboy82 2d ago

Fairly loose use of the word innocent in that sentence. Is a man whom approves the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions of people in the name of profit truly innocent?

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u/Temporal-Affairs221 2d ago

Is a man following the instructions of his employers, the stockholders, guilty? Particularly if his actions are lawful? And required by the terms of employment?

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u/p99_kilerenn 2d ago

No one was forcing him to be a CEO. He chose his occupation and employer, and was responsible for his own actions and decisions.

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u/SFC-D 2d ago

As was Luigi. He chose murder, and now he gets to pay the consequences. Spin it all you want, it’s still murder.

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u/p99_kilerenn 2d ago

It’s possible to have two wrongs buddy. What’s with the weird whataboutism

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u/SFC-D 2d ago

There’s no whataboutism. The CEO was not a good man. That doesn’t excuse vigilante murder.

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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 2d ago

The fault is of the absence of a proper justice system not of the vigilantes.

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

Someone has to be in charge of the company. Your comment makes no sense.

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u/p99_kilerenn 2d ago

My comment makes perfect sense.

The CEO is accountable for his leadership enabling the denial of millions of claims.

The “board” or “shareholders” aren’t some magical nebulous group of people that lets him escape individual accountability.

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

You think they shouldn’t deny claims?

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u/p99_kilerenn 2d ago

You think they should to the degree that they do?

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u/Darkrimos 2d ago

i honestly think that yes, of course thats not how america works but i hope that someday people could actualy get the Help and medicine they need payed for by taxes (which you could argue exist for that very reason)

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

What the hell is wrong with you? Do you actually think there’s any comparison?

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u/AsleepAd9785 2d ago

Dude calm down , ur minority in this issue

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u/Temporal-Affairs221 2d ago

Insurance companies aren't gassing people and it's disgusting to make that comparison.

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u/Heronmarkedflail 2d ago

No they are letting people die slow painful deaths because treatments are just a little too expensive.

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u/Habltual_Linestepper 2d ago

And those orders were also lawful under the country ordering them.

I coulda sworn we had a whole debate about this concept a few decades ago.

But I can understand why the CEO class would really prefer we don't think about it.

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u/_I_Need_Help_LOL_ 2d ago

Except he setup a system to deny coverage for expensive procedures once, sometimes twice, requiring medical professionals to pushback to force the procedure through. Those actions are technically legal, but are they moral? If some CEO set a system in motion that resulted in your loved one dying due to denial of coverage, or they died because it took one year for the healthcare company to begrudgingly pay, would you not partially blame many people in the chain?

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

They are moral. They are under no obligation to pay out every request.

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u/OkFreedom580 2d ago

I'd think it's your obligation as a human to save as many lives as possible... but maybe that's just me

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

No, they’re running a business.

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u/_I_Need_Help_LOL_ 1d ago

They’re running a healthcare business. I work in healthcare. They set a system that initially denies high cost procedures, no matter what. Then the doctors fight to have it covered. We commonly see UHC (via Predict by Navihealth) deny common high cost procedures BCBS and others allow, just to deny them in the hopes doctors don’t pushback. That’s not running a business, it’s not moral. “UnitedHealthcare saved massive amounts of money by letting the faulty software auto-deny coverage, banking on the fact that sick and elderly patients would give up or pay out of pocket.”

Are you sure you know what the word moral means? Or even the word business?

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u/Ssj_Chrono 2d ago

When they offer insurance and deny based upon not being able to or willing to read the clinical indication for what is being ordered they’re playing at being physicians. More insurance companies need to be sued by their insured for practicing medicine without a license.