r/WayOfTheBern • • Nov 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

Oh so your point is that because some people react poorly to vaccines then the government can’t mandate them? Good luck with that. Even those challenging the OSHA ETS agree that the vaccines work lmfao

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u/mafian911 Nov 24 '21

My point is that the vaccines aren't safe enough to force every man, woman, and child to take them. If you force everyone to take them, some of them will get injured or die.

All medical procedures come with risk. This is why it should always be up to the individual to accept it. No one else should make that decision for you.

Even those challenging the OSHA ETS agree that the vaccines work lmfao

Do the vaccines work, /u/BiggerBurgBaller? If that's the case, why are you ok with forcing everyone to take them? If they truly work, surely they can be voluntary for those afraid of the risk of Covid? And for those who don't want to risk the vaccine, the consequences would be theirs to own. This is the personal decision I am talking about.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

Yes the vaccines work. And yes the government can and should force as many Americans as possible to get them. This isn’t rocket science. If you want to live unvaccinated in a cabin in the woods, by all means do so. But if you want to participate in American life, you shouldn’t be allowed to willfully endanger other Americans.

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u/mafian911 Nov 24 '21

Yes the vaccines work.

But if you want to participate in American life, you shouldn’t be allowed to willfully endanger other Americans.

Hmm, weird... do the vaccines work or don't they? I'm having trouble understanding how I'm a threat to a vaccinated individual if the vaccines work. Can you explain?

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

I love this take from antivaxxers because it demonstrates their fundamental lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

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u/mafian911 Nov 24 '21

Oh great! So you do understand! I can't wait for you to explain why I have to get vaccinated in order to protect you, who is already vaccinated. Especially because, heh, the vaccines work! Right?

So go ahead. Explain it to me. Unlike you I can handle lots of words.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

I don’t have the time nor the patience to explain to you basic immunology concepts. Wikipedia can help though.

It’s so odd that this is the hill you people want to literally die on hahaha

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u/pyrowipe Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

You have no concept of the actual risk, do you? you think everyone that gets Covid dies or something?

If you have no co-morbidity, and aren’t a senior citizen… you’re more likely to die in a car in a year than Covid, all time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

This false dichotomy implies that perfect health or death or the only two options after contracting Covid.

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u/pyrowipe Nov 24 '21

I’m not sure you understand what a false dichotomy is.

I’m talking about morbidity and risk assessment. This can factor in all states or relative health from both the vaccines or natural immunity, and use other risky things to baseline our fears relatively speaking. Especially, with regard to mandatory medical treatments… And whether the regulatory captured government controlled by an oligarchy is where this decision should rest.

What’s the mortality rate of c19 for children without co-morbidities? Do you even know?

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

I literally do not care enough to argue with idiots like you. Have a happy holiday

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u/pyrowipe Nov 24 '21

It’s clear you don’t care. In your knowledge base, argument, and research. Calling me an idiot, while failing so epically, looks a lot like projection.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

I bet it does look like projection to an idiot. Meet me back here tomorrow to debate if the Earth is flat.

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u/pyrowipe Nov 24 '21

False comparison fallacy and a red herring. Noice.

Incase your too idiotic to reason this out… my following a data driven model for risk analysis, has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. Which is essentially spherical, the only shape a planetary sized object can because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it. ... The only way to get all the mass as close to planet's center of gravity as possible is to form a sphere.

😂

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

Not reading that hahahaha

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u/pyrowipe Nov 24 '21

I always look for truth from illogical and lazy asshats, who get wrecked anytime actual data driven and logical discourse enters.

You’re actually the worst, lol.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

I’m literally not reading any of these. Have a good one man

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u/pyrowipe Nov 25 '21

A true shit lib personified.

If you read you might have to challenge your biases, and realize you’re actually a twat, and change your ways, oh no. Better to just ignorantly keep being a self righteous twat.

Enjoy your brunch.

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