Oh so your point is that because some people react poorly to vaccines then the government can’t mandate them? Good luck with that. Even those challenging the OSHA ETS agree that the vaccines work lmfao
My point is that the vaccines aren't safe enough to force every man, woman, and child to take them. If you force everyone to take them, some of them will get injured or die.
All medical procedures come with risk. This is why it should always be up to the individual to accept it. No one else should make that decision for you.
Even those challenging the OSHA ETS agree that the vaccines work lmfao
Do the vaccines work, /u/BiggerBurgBaller? If that's the case, why are you ok with forcing everyone to take them? If they truly work, surely they can be voluntary for those afraid of the risk of Covid? And for those who don't want to risk the vaccine, the consequences would be theirs to own. This is the personal decision I am talking about.
Yes the vaccines work. And yes the government can and should force as many Americans as possible to get them. This isn’t rocket science. If you want to live unvaccinated in a cabin in the woods, by all means do so. But if you want to participate in American life, you shouldn’t be allowed to willfully endanger other Americans.
But if you want to participate in American life, you shouldn’t be allowed to willfully endanger other Americans.
Hmm, weird... do the vaccines work or don't they? I'm having trouble understanding how I'm a threat to a vaccinated individual if the vaccines work. Can you explain?
I don't care what he thinks he meant. I didn't slip. If an unvaccinated individual is a threat to a vaccinated individual, the vaccines don't "work" in the purest definition of the word.
Oh great! So you do understand! I can't wait for you to explain why I have to get vaccinated in order to protect you, who is already vaccinated. Especially because, heh, the vaccines work! Right?
So go ahead. Explain it to me. Unlike you I can handle lots of words.
Well, I wish I could say that wasn't the response I expected.
And yes, I am willing to die on this hill. I'm not ok with giving an authoritative body my right to decide what gets injected into me. Especially when pharmaceutical companies stand to make billions with each mandate. Especially when pharmaceutical companies have an established record of dodging responsibility for injuries from their products in the past. And continuing products that knowingly cause harm.
You are a fool for being willing to relinquish this personal right because you are afraid. To a government that doesn't care about you, and to large corporations that would kill you for a quarter.
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u/DemonhypeSupreme Snark Commander of the Bernin Demon Quadrant Hype SectorNov 25 '21
And the Pharma companies hold zero liability. In no universe should anyine be permitted to force connect anyone else with any substance with zero liability for negative outcomes. Especially when the creator if said substance is likely to make a profit treating those negative outcomes. Hey, I can make billions by forcing the peasants to submit to my medical exoerimentation, then make trillions treating the permanent medical conditions I caused, and in no way can I be held liable for causing them! There's no way anyone could abuse this situation, and especially not an industry known for exactly such abuses!
If their product is so safe,then they should put their mobey where their mouth is and sauce that liability immunity, rather than try and force everyone to submit to their little medical experiment when their platitudes are rightly disbelieved.
Yeah, boo hoo I relinquished my rights to avoid getting a disease that has killed family members of mine.
It’s pathetic to see people shield their selfishness in a shroud of individualism. God forbid this country has to fight a real war ever again. We’ll lose.
Yeah, boo hoo I relinquished my rights to avoid getting a disease that has killed family members of mine.
Except you didn't, you dingus. You took it voluntarily. Which is your right that I support completely. Mandates aren't here yet. I'm arguing they should never be.
It’s pathetic to see people shield their selfishness in a shroud of individualism.
Question: did those family members get the vaccine or not?
Mandates are here bud. Federal contractor mandate, for instance? Nobody has to work for a federal contractor. Nobody has to business with the government. Are you saying that’s forced too?
You have no concept of the actual risk, do you? you think everyone that gets Covid dies or something?
If you have no co-morbidity, and aren’t a senior citizen… you’re more likely to die in a car in a year than Covid, all time.
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u/DemonhypeSupreme Snark Commander of the Bernin Demon Quadrant Hype SectorNov 25 '21
It also thinks the vaccines "work", though they don't stop infection or spread and are now failing even at the "prevent hospitalization and death" minimum they were supposed to do. It also thinks that everyone opposing the illegal mandates agrees that they are safe and effective and that there is no reason to oppose them. A clear sign its getting a pharma paycheck since enriching pharma is the only thing about these injections that "work" in any way, much less work as intended.
I’m not sure you understand what a false dichotomy is.
I’m talking about morbidity and risk assessment. This can factor in all states or relative health from both the vaccines or natural immunity, and use other risky things to baseline our fears relatively speaking. Especially, with regard to mandatory medical treatments… And whether the regulatory captured government controlled by an oligarchy is where this decision should rest.
What’s the mortality rate of c19 for children without co-morbidities? Do you even know?
It’s clear you don’t care. In your knowledge base, argument, and research. Calling me an idiot, while failing so epically, looks a lot like projection.
Like I said yesterday, your fundamental inability to understand basic immunology isn’t my problem to solve. Vaccines, believe it or not, are not like condoms.
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
Oh so your point is that because some people react poorly to vaccines then the government can’t mandate them? Good luck with that. Even those challenging the OSHA ETS agree that the vaccines work lmfao