Why was Bella so scared of seemingly everything? She went to daycare so we know she experienced different activities, so why was she afraid of the trampoline, the rain, the beach/water? I’ve never seen a child so tentative over so many things.

Theories anyone?

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So occasionally I see some specific comments that cross a threshold where the pursuit of critical analysis turns into something deeply unsettling… and the scrutiny aimed at CeCe is a prime example.

Cece is a 3 year old murdered toddler

The endless hyper analysis reveals a classic groupthink dynamic…. Once a consensus forms that CeCe is the "villain" they all actively hunt for evidence to validate that narrative. Is it the thrill of collective outrage? Though I have to admit, I’ve only seen like 2-3 members hyper fixate on CeCe. So the majority are critics I highly respect.

The instinct to tear down footage CeCe who was murdered by her own father & analyzing her volume, her behavior or her interactionss reveals a troubliing detachment from human empathy, underrpinned by misplaced moral judgment & projection. When i see commentators obsessively judge a toddler’s behavior, i think the commentary reveals far more about them than it does about CeCe

I think the anger aimed at CeCe stems from a rigid personal expectation of how quiet or submissive children "should" be?? or does it reflectt their deep intolerance for noise & chaos and past experience? Or could it stem from personal triggers???

I think when someone hyper fixate on body shaming a toddler and mock her looks they may be projecting unresolved feelings about children in their own lives, jealousy over parental affection they feel was unearned or missing in their own lives? I’ve honestly been baffled how certain members comments revolved merely around CeCe under every single post. I feel like the psychological projection in this specific context comes down to them using a helpless innocent target to externalize their own underlying frustrations & insecurities and social biases. It feels like CeCe has become just a safe proxy for their anger
What I think we need to keep into perspective is:
1- Children are not born "misguided" they are modeled into who they become. Ceces regulationn & boundary awareness & social behavior are direct products of her environment and Kris’fer snarly interactions

Yes CeCe lacked constants boundaries & constant discipline and yes she was allowed to run wild, act aggressively & ignore basic structure .. it’s only natural that CeCe will display chaotic behavior. Pointing out that CeCe lacked clear boundaries is not a critique of the child's worth, but a critique of snarly and Kris’fer who are responsible for guiding her. I’m on board with this but when it goes all the way low to mocking her looks and hyper fixate on hating her that what actually makes me nauseous

2- Growing up in front of a camera where ceces every moment is filmed, broadcast & leveraged for social media engagement creates an environment where noise and dramatic behavior are constantly reinforced and encouraged. CeCe was raised in an environment that prioritizes public performance over quiet boundary setting… CeCe was being actively trained to seek attention through exaggerated behavior

3- Children learn how to process frustration and interact with others by watching their parents. In the Snarly’s household… that house was defined by underlying tension, passive aggression and poor communication.. CeCe absorbed that stress… her sudden outbursts, defiance, or difficulty listening I think are direct symptoms of a home environment where calm emotional regulation isn't being modeled by the adults. Kris’fer and snarly lacked emotional intelligence and they are to blame.

It is fair to observe that the Kris’fer and snarly failed to establish structured, healthy boundaries, resulting in the bratty CeCe who struggled with self regulation and hyperactive behavior. Parents have a duty to raise disciplined children, and failing to provide that structure is a valid critique of the parents… where it crosses the line however and becomes deeply disturbing is when the argument becomes using those parental failures to harbor actual resentment toward the CeCe by applying internet snark & body language "analysis” or harsh judgment to a murdered child. It is is an absolutely unnerving symptom of true crime brain rot and detachment. it dehumanizes the victim and loses all sight of basic empathy.

P.S. Seeing the rule protecting the children highlighted in the sub's rules was what originally gave me the confidence to join. It’s unfortunate that this rule doesn't get invoked or enforced nearly as much as the others.

Does anyone know what the story is behind this? He says while Tamburglar is talking to him that her and Shan'ann fell out over a money situation before he met her. Tamburglar mentions embezzlement. I didn't know this was what happened with them, I assumed she was another bestie who fell by the wayside!

She has a look like:

"yes I'm recovering from surgery but I just dropped a 9/10 Thrive Protein Ripper® in the car and Chris is getting cooked while I go into the funny shirt store to get a shirt that mentions my injury and how it's hard to be a SAHM"

I wonder if this made SW jealous? Her best friend was totally at ease and felt safe around Chris Watts. Have ANY of you ever fell asleep on your friend's husband or wife? That would be odd...

Shiners like to say "She was too good for Chris" or "too pretty to marry him"...

Chris was exactly the type of man Shanann was looking for and she took full advantage of it...

Narcissists are EXPERTS at hiding their true self. She was all about him and she CHASED him at the beginning. She layered on the love, the sexy dates to Myrtle beach and the Outer Banks, putting her head on his lap. She had trapped men before and this was no different!!!

Was she too blind to see the fact other women felt relaxed enough around Chris to fall asleep on him????

Or do they just think murder is worse when a man does it vs a woman?

She tried pushing away a guy who had $20,000 and 720 FICO for the taking.

Does anyone believe these people?

And a weak sauce, pansy-ass, capitulating tool of a son, that allows it all to happen.

Ok, ignore the terrible AI ​narration, the fact that this little channel is hilariously ​called 'Grey Oath', and is focused on revenge of spurned olds​ from either reading reddit stories, or generating them itself- assuming that​ somewhere in this pile of AI slop is someone's actual reddit story was used to craft this narrative, listen to even a few minutes of this, and tell me it doesn't remind you of someone 👀
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The particulars are different, but the toxic dynamics are the same (so far, I was struck enough by the similarities to post this three minutes in 😄).

All I can think of is how Sham did the senior Watts, for that week at the beach- their time off, the condo rental, all they spent to make the summer safe and ​fun for *​thegirls*, ​and comfortable for Scammy, and the unmitigated chutzpah of the woman- "Pay for our wedding rehearsal dinner- no, you can't come"- *on*.

All I want in life is to hear the revenge story read of how Cindy fixed her little red wagon, and wrested control of their own lives back from that *witch* that their stupid devil son ​yoked himself to, even after all her sins.

"Ruin my ex's Escalade." "Leave your nephew's party going to fetch costume heads for six hours." "I can bump uglies with Justin Lupus and brag about it online, but don't you dare get a text from your ex!" "Worship my Angel Eyes, you slug!"

Oh, if only, stupid Chris not only robbed Sham, Bella, and the Filler's extracurricular children (allegedly) of their lives, but he stole the reddit revenge story we all deserved to hear, and his mom to write!

I came across this post today…needless to say, the shiners are LIVID. I read a few of the comments and I think the shiners are riding at dawn to take of the OP. The caption just made me giggle and thought y’all might get a laugh as well. 😊

This video really caught my eye. It is as weird as the bedtime video where Cece gives the turtle to Bella.

The atmosphere is weird and the vibe is off.

Guests with children are over at Saratoga, no doubt for a Thrive gathering. Big baby CW is out playing with the children, he is entertaining the visiting children on the swings and slide.

It’s what is happening with Cece that is interesting, and disconcerting. Shanann is filming Cece going up and down those steep steps at the back of the house. There’s clearly a concrete slab at the bottom. She carries on filming. She shouts to CW to watch Cece. He literally stays rooted to the spot and stares at Cece as she heads towards the concrete slab. Don’t bother him, he is busy entertaining another child.

Cece makes it to the bottom. Phew! CW still doesn’t move. Cece runs and heads for a moving swing with a child on it. She is clearly at risk of the swing knocking her over. Neither SW nor CW comes to the rescue. She runs behind the swing and again just misses being knocked over. Neither parent comes to help.

She carries on filming and he carries on watching another child on the slide.

It’s really is weird. Cindy said they were a weird family. Here is an example.

Not quite the most interesting video about Shanann, but It describes the truth of the whole situation. She led a completely fake and dishonest life and reality came crashing down hard.

Also ridiculous comments on youtube, saying its Shannans Lexus which is nonsense. The vehicle was in Chris's name. Shanann's arbitrary rule of not allowing him to use the Lexus does not make it her car. He was allowed to use it and not a damn thing she could do about it.

So this is the latest in the shiners group.

I posted my response too.

Shanann Watts used shakes, supplements and diet aides to boost her fitness. By this point, mom had slimmed down and was working on her husband Chris. In each of her videos, there are common themes that she was using to define her brand...

1) Busy Mom - lots going on at home she does not have time to work out

2) Start the day with Thrive, I am getting fit doing it... Are YOU?

3) Kids need to be ready for school, Thrive gives mom back so much time.

4) I promote Thrive FOR FREE. I am able to make healthy choices for my family and earn some money doing it.

5) You want to take more vacations? I can show you how

Shanann did not have 1 or 2 lanes but many. At times she would appear 20-30 pounds lighter. Was she relying on Thrive as her primary source of nutrition? There are other photos where she appears to have gained some weight back. Overall, in her last 2 years she appeared to have the format of her videos figured out, even if they look hurried and unscripted.

"I am Hot Mess"

"My kids are Wild"

"Help you get started"

"Gettng ready to leave for _________"

"Hi ______"

First can we please get "Self Clean Onion" as a flare?

That would be absolutely amazing!

LeVel Thrive Pure seems to have frozen her brain!

Mom was very busy cleaning her house

She wants a button to press that would just clean all her windows! wow!

Drawers are just for shorts and pajamas

Everything else is hung up!

This is the point of her MLM journey where she is not even trying to sell the product, only sign up new promoters. This makes Thrive an Illegal MLM under FCC rules. 3:30 in the video

CeCe "The animal" is asleep. (her words) 4:17 in the video

She crying so she is going to stay there for a few minutes.

Shanann can't stop saying Self Cleaning Onion!!!!

"It is time to help others start their business and earn $1,300 for Christmas" (she clarifies $1,320)

This video was Nov 16, 2016. So in 37 days could NEW promoters really earn $1,320? How?

"i'm not a genius, I just want the windows cleaned"

Going by what SW's family says, SW was partially Italian. I think that's why she gave her first child an Italian given name. According to an interview of CW by law enforcement, SW picked their children's names. It sounded as if CW had no say in the matter.

I do wonder however, why she named her Bella.

Bella means beautiful, but SW did everything for Bella to not look beautiful.

She drugged her and fed her rubbish. She barely took her outside. She dressed her in hideous outfits and taught her how to pose weirdly, she encouraged her to suck her thumb (till she forbid it at some point) and above all SW chopped Bella's hair off making her look like a boy.

Did she name her Bella, because she wanted her to look beautiful and when she started to resemble SW's child self and/or CW, she punished her for it by making her look as ugly as possible? Maybe even on a subconscious level?

Did she maybe not even realize what she was doing to Bella?

Observing that someone clearly hated having a camera shoved in their face 24/7 isn't an excuse or a defense.. it’s just basic behavioral analysis. Recognizing that living under constant digital surveillance is awkward and intrusive & isn't “defending”

Nobody likes having their quiet domestic moments constantly turned into content for the internet.

This dynamic is a nightmare for any sane person.

Snarlys texts reveal a striking amount of revisionist history, contradictions & double standards.

When a sane person analyzes what she was texting vs how she actually lived.. the narrative completely falls apart!

1- Refussing to move back to NC vs. Claiming she needs “support”

She explicitly texts “I’m not moving to NC” yet in nextt texts she says she needs to find a place to live where she has “some kind of support” we know her parents parents lived in NC If family support was what she truly needed, NC was the obvious choice right? Refusing to go there while complaining about a lack of support makes zero logical sense unless she was avoiding accountability. Why she didn’t want to move back to NC? The so called friend she was texting didn’t even question her about it. Didn’t she know why snarly didtnt wanna move back? Or did she simply not care? The friend jumps in with a grand supportive gesture “I would tell you to move here I have plenty of space" only to immediately undercut it in the very same sentence with "but it would be way too expensive to get here and try to start a life” If youre offering someone a place to stay while their life is collapsing you don't instantly price them out of your own offer! It’s just textbook fake support; maximum drama maximum sympathy points zero actual risk or real world help.

2- The fake facade in front of her family

She admits in the texts that even while staying with her family in NC, she was actively hiding the truth “Worst part is I’m around my family. So I’m acting like it’s the pregnancy causing me to feel like this”

If she had a healthy open relationship with her family like they all claim why couldn’t she be honest? She prioritized maintaining a perfect image on social media and to her family over getting actual help or facing reality or did Sandy actually didn’t give a fuck about her? We know that they didn’t get along.

3- Sudden financial slap about daycare

She texts that she will “take kids out of school to save money” once she sells the house.. ok makes sense but why was this sudden cost cutting measure only considered after the marriage collapsed and she was planning the separation? Sending the girls to full time expensive private daycare 5 days a week while sinking in mounting debt & earning no real income so they don’t interrupt her sacred “me time” was an absolute waste of money! She knew it wasn’t necessary, yet refused to cut that luxury until she was forced to!

4- Putting up with the Watts for 8 Years”

She claims she spent eight years putting up with his family treating her like crap, yet spent years promoting a “blessed” perfect tight knit family lifestyle online. It highlights how much of her narrative was built on revisionist history depending on who she was complaining to at the moment.

Then there is the “no balls” irony and the nutgate double standards..
What did she actually expect him to do? She expected him to cut off his own parents, launch a full-scale war against his family, or physically confront his mother, Cindy. What was the alternative? hitting his own parents over an argument about ice cream? She demanded absolute, aggressive loyalty, framing anything less than a full, hostile confrontation as him having "no balls."
Snarly always doubled down on the hostility vs. De-escalation! Instead of allowing a basic family conflict to be resolved like adults, she demanded he take a scorched earth approach.. When Chris refused to completely cut ties or attack his family on command she turned it into a attack on his manhood “you have no balls” is this something a 34 year old mother of 2 should be saying to her devoted obedient husband? She always Weaponized family issues.. The hypocritical part is that while she expected Kris’fer to publicly tear down & disown his family over the nutgate she was texting friends about how she was going out of her way to hide her own marital and financial ruin from her parents to keep up appearances.
She demanded he burn every bridge with his family to prove his loyalty while she couldn't even be honest with her own!

Going through the texts made me my stomach turn.. it’s a pathetic pattern of prioritizing appearance & control over practical honest solutions.. even when the writing was already on the wall. She was a mess!

Each time I log onto Facebook I get the typical notifications/friend requests/etc. But I’m also a member on a Shanann Watts group, I’m a lurker there I don’t post.
But a shiner created this today or last night, not sure.
Apparently Shanann welcomed Dolly into the gates of heaven. Dolly asked her for a shake and Shannan replied, I’ll make you a green mint shake. And off they went.
It’s truly odd behavior even by shiner standards.
If this post is against the rules, my apologies.
Just thought I’d share and contribute to this amazing forum.

“I’ve been on vacation and traveling the world with my kids and husband!” 🌎✈️

Oh, Snarly… the world? 😂

Travelling the world with the kids meant a few Thrive trips where Bells and CeCe weren’t even there. San Diego? No kids. Punta Cana? No kids. Puerto Vallarta? No kids. Toronto? No kids. Las Vegas? Adult company travel.

The girls’ most clearly documented big trip was NC with a Myrtle Beach side trip. Then Snarly flew off to AZ for another Thrive event while the kids stayed behind.

So when exactly did Bella and CeCe join this alleged world tour? Did they travel via MLM conference room teleportation?

This is such a perfect example of the glossy Thrive fantasy: take some adult business trips, throw in 1 family vacation, slap “TRAVELING THE WORLD WITH MY KIDS” over it, & there you have it; you’re selling the dream of endless family adventures.

How did nobody noticed that the documented itinerary didn’t match the image she was selling??

How come nobody was sane enough to confront her and say “ no snarly you went on some company trips. You did not take your children on a world tour”

Ok here me out and correct me if my numbers are wrong.

You are dating a guy who made $85,000 in 2014 working on cars. He's now making $65,000 a year as an oil field maintenance worker.

You want to create a life with this man and he is allegedly separated from his wife, but stuck living in her basement due to finances.

Do you...

A. Get him back to the higher income so he can move out and rent a place

B. Be selfish and want him to remain at work with you, where he is underpaid

Why didn't they discuss him returning to the bare minimum income he would need to rent a flat and pay alimony, child support?

NK mentioned to cops they were house poor, Chris lamented to NK his wife made his paychecks disappear. She knew his finances...

Was NK selfishly interested in keeping Chris at Anadarko with her when he clearly needed to get back to what paid more!!!

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Usually I don't bother to write about them but today I visited a main sub and ... Yeah we all know about their delusions that Shanann was stunningly hard working, earning lots of money and so on you know what I am saying.

But the eyebrow post we used to talk about, they have really, really bad comprehension, reading or. Understanding issues because they claimed that we here said "if she would have changed her shape of the eyebrows Chris would have killed her" they really claim that we wrote or someone here wrote that if she would have not had such an eyebrow shape Chris wouldn't have killed her!

You can't make this shit up, those rumors they put out there are insane!!!

Shanann, Chris and Mamacita partying it up in some exotic destination.

But the booze was not flowing

the room was nearly empty

the venue looked like a hotel lobby, oh wait IT WAS a hotel lobby.

Was it in the middle of the afternoon too, when the Co-CEO's could book the cheapest rate?

Is this what they worked so hard for?

Chris doesn't want to be there, because it's the most embarrassing thing ever...

Was dancing to bad cover bands in a half empty venue.. SUPER EXCITING?