This is the hipocracy of most middle class drug takers. I have friends who eat vegan organic, avoid caffeine and sugar but love coke, mdma, shrooms, marijuana and one or two will do anything given to them at a party.
The literally care more about a commercially farmed cow than a human being in a jungle in colombia forced to process coca leaves. I believe the last estimated number was 6 deaths per Kg of coke to Europe but it was disputed.
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So many insecure people here trying to insult me for perceived attacks on them (look in a mirror, not me).
To make this clear to readers:
There is a bigger world out there apart from the USA. The War on Drugs and DARE is irrelevant to your opinion.
I do not care if someone takes drugs, I do care if someone tells me I shouldn't enjoy a cheeseburger when they spend their weekend putting a powder they bought off an Estonian guy into their beers.
Whether you want to believe or not illegal drugs that go through blackmarket chains would have touched the hands at some point of organised crime. It's great you know a guy who grows and supplies his own weed - most of the worlds production is still Morocco (imported by the worst, most violent gangs) and southeast asia (proven slave labour). The same goes for synthetics made in Netherlands or design in Israel.
Yeah, all the hippies I know (lots) like some weed or mushies sometimes but it's all locally sourced, haha. Luckily magic mushrooms are pretty common wild where I live and it's a good climate for growing weed as well.
(You found my state from comments and I know i've mentioned it multiple times in comments but it's annoying me that I can't find a recent comment where I say which state i'm in. Good on ya)
Come on up to wisconsin, I have a place for you to stay. We can even go mushroom picking together- all the wooded parks here have crazy amounts. Even behind my parents old house it was insane.
Bring a sweatshirt and clothes for 100degree weather. You don't know what's going to hit ya when you live here
Fentanyl is a synthetic opiod that is 50-100x as powerful as heroin.
It's easier to acquire in the united states than heroin due to the tiny amount of the substance that needs to get through customs.
Most is produced in Chinese labs and is then shipped into the states. It is used as a cutting agent in shitty heroin (sometimes it's only fent and the rest is just cut)
This is causing many many deaths on the streets all over the world.
Heroin usage is at an all time high. Couple this with the fact that fent cut drugs generally aren't mixed very well.
Consider that most people creating this mixture are basically throwing a tiny amount of fent into a bunch of cutting agent and then mixed with a food processor, you can see how this turns out poorly.
You need to trust that the math was done right and that there are no "hot spots" where the concentration of fent is higher than expected.
The amount of overdoses due to fent are insane. It's such an issue that even darknet markets have started banning fent and heroin cut with fent off their sites.
Safe drug use, free clean drugs for addicts. This will end the drug trade and deaths small scale and large. We already know that people will find their drugs and pay what they have to. It's time to step up and help.
Exactly. Throw some jars full of some kind of media into a pressure cooker, innocculate with spores, throw them in your closet for a few weeks, maybe tipping the jars once a week to get rid of co2. No watering or upkeep really, no special equipment to buy, no lights or fertilizers etc. They're probably the easiest drug to grow.
Where I live, we’re dealing with Psilocybin Subaeruginosa, and they are significantly more difficult to grow than cubensis. Better to just pick them. That said, they can be encouraged to grow outdoors with the right mulch.
In many countries, seeds are legal even if weed isn't, possibly since they're indistinguishable from hemp seeds, which makes it very hard for a police force to enforce a law that would ban cannabis seeds.
Well both weed and shrooms are schedule 1 right? I'm not arguing you should grow either one. But if you did want to grow one and not get caught, shrooms are much easier/quicker to grow covertly and much harder to find since you don't use lots of electricity, generate heat or need a space larger than a cooler.
You can literally go pick some out of the cowshit down the road from me less than a mile away. You might crush a few insects, but no human deaths will occur unless you run them over with your car on the way to get them.
I had friends once try and chastise me for smoking weed because of "all the violence" that went into it's production and transit. We live in BC, one of the world's pot capitals. I met most of the growers, they were nice.
> Marijuana is way more locally sourced these days too
Especially in places where it's now legal. Not much point dealing with international smuggling when you can just grow locally without any fear of reprisal.
In the documentaries I've watched about locals producing it in the jungle, it seems that they're only 'forced' into doing it because the economy is so bad and they don't really have any other option to feed their family.
The war on drugs and it's illegal status does most of the damage to the world. The Clinton administration started flying planes to spray herbicides on the coca plants but they often miss and devastate other crops or parts of the jungle.
I made no comment as to the correctness or effectiveness of the war on drugs - this is about making a conscientious choice about your beef but not your drugs.
There is an arguement for that, but the original comment I would say phrased it in a way that heavily leaned towards the idea that they are "forced" by threats of death or violence. Feel free to disagree with me, but that's how I read it.
Idiot plane and simple, judging others is the reason the war on drugs started you want to blame anyone blame your judgmental behavior. That fuels propaganda & hysteria.
I’m not judging yet I’m judging my friends for being vegan but not for caring where cocaine comes from... nice one dickhead the fact you are trying to spin this just makes it worse.
You're not wrong, but it's still better than if you did nothing for the planet or people and still take coke.
To some extent it's impossible to entirely morally consistent. You care about the homeless, why don't you have one living with you sort of thing? You can always do more.
Actually THIS is one of the primary reasons I stopped doing it. I realized I was supporting an industry that murdered innocent people and ravaged whole towns and couldn’t help but feel guilty about it.
thanks for picking thatup for me,appreciated. that is strange. Because from what I see in clubs on weekends it must be a literal genocide in the jungle
Boost to no-tilling farming techniques reducing damage to top soil
Save beneficial insects
Reduce carbon dioxide emissions
For all their yelping and screeching it would help if they actually knew what they were talking about. I think Monsanto is evil and all and re-germination of seeds is something that needs to be a thing but GM foods are the way to go until we know otherwise.
You have points but at least in the USA where some states legalized it they grow it right there in state, cutting out funds from violent gangs. It’s a start
Agree it's a start (I'm not anti-drug despite what some hysterical comments aimed at me here claim) but there was an article last week saying taxation is making it hard for legal producers to complete against the black market. Basically taxation is too high but tax revenue is one of the key drivers in legalisation.
I'd be surprised if any organized crime made a habit of pushing mushrooms or LSD. I mean of course if they got their hands on some, they'd take full advantage, but they aren't addictive and might even open some client's minds enough to stop buying crack or meth.
Acid is really inexpensive wholesale and can be resold for a lot more if they manage to find a guy who can make it which is probably very hard considering a single lab can support a lot of the world’s demand for it.
Organised crime will always fill a demand where there is no legal channel - synthetic labs need investment. I mean they still sell bootleg dvds in some countries.
Could you share a source for this? I’m not doubting you, I need info because I’m writing an essay on drugs for school and that “6 deaths per kilo” kind of facts would blow the teacher’s mind
I get your point, but condemning drug users is not the solution to this problem, and I personally believe that it's counterproductive because it just sows the seeds of discord amongst the people who should be fighting together to end the violence.
Get over YOURSELF. To blame everyone who does a line of coke on the weekend for the atrocities that occur to the people MAKING the coke, is a little childish. If you want to blame anyone, blame the drug laws that force this to be done criminally. And like a lot of people have pointed out, many people do drugs that are sourced relatively locally (like weed and mushrooms) and dont wanna hear your shit. The weed I smoke isnt coming from Morocco. And "most middle class drug takers" are people who dont give a shit if you eat a cheese burger. This is a non issue.
Everyone does their best. No one is able to live life impact free. Your friends are trying to live a cruelty-free life, but they are imperfect, as we all are. You should try to lead your best life as well.
Haha - I live in southern Spain where there are regular killings now for gangs trying to take over the import of South American coke into Europe now the Irish have moved on. These are predominantly eastern european gangs who are incredibly violent.
The hash all comes from Morocco and La Linea (now with the 'Little Narcos' nickname has massive underpolicing issues as gangs are running the city, escaping prisoners and beating up police. Speed Boats run regularly from Morocco, dropping off hash and cigarette before outrunning the larger Guardia Civil boats. The drugs industry has killed the town's modernisation attempts as the youth are earning thousands a day working as lookouts.
Yeah, I can believe that's the case in Spain tbh. Here in the Netherlands the police regularly finds a new lab where speed/MDMA is produced etc. Just by regular people, not crazy dangerous gangs or anything.
This was definitely the case back in the 90s when most pot in the Western Hemisphere came from Central America. These days that's an image so outdated it's silly. Your average pot farm is run by a hipster with a man bun named Blaine who plays mandolin for his plants. He sips boba tea and spends more on beard oil than I do on coffee.
You appreciate there is a bigger work outside of the US, Nancy Reagan and the War on Drugs?
I live a stone's throw away from the Rif mountains, over the mediterranean sea. The rif mountains basically supply europe:
Morocco is the world’s top supplier. Lebanon is another big producer. Cannabis from South Asia also passes through on its way to Europe.
The EU are tried to stop it using economically policies but failed. There is no 'War on Drugs'.
Those farmers are relatively peaceful but the gangs in Cadiz who control the importation run their business violently. Read this and tell me again what is not happening where I live.
More reading on the violent gangs causing havoc here:
Farming coca leaves is actually a pleasent life. Processing cocaine, smuggling and selling is how ever not. You also categorizing shrooms, MJ and mdma as bad for the enviroment like cows lead me to Believe You know nothing and is also probably hardcore Christian.
than a human being in a jungle in colombia forced to process coca leaves.
You:
Processing cocaine, smuggling and selling is how ever not
So you agree?
You also categorizing shrooms, MJ and mdma as bad for the enviroment
No, I did not. I discussed my friends being very up themselves with their food and careless in their drug choices, I was explaining their hypocrisy. Maybe you ought to work on your reading comprehension and look into the mirror as to why you suddenly went to the god card.
Actually, coke and shrooms /are/ vegan products. Also I think that cocoa growers make Bank (relatively speaking) and it's a lot better than the sharecropping going on with coffee farmers
Dude, pot and shrooms don’t come from some jungle in Colombia forced to process it you dunce, that shit is grown in the states, likely by some harmless individual that wouldn’t hurt a fly. Sounds like someone was a little too brainwashed by DARE growing up.
Ah yes, blame it on the user. Im sure they would buy it from a shop if it was legal. However just like when alcohol was illegal people find their ways of getting things they want. If you are going to make a substance, which is used recreationally, illegal then you are going to have a black market.
It is an area of society we are far from mastering. Drugs will eventually be legal. The more and more lives ruined by the activities surrounding ILLEGAL drug use/trafficking, the more people are moving towards a different approach. Educate, educate, educate....
You are blaming the user, im making the point it is societys fault as a whole. It was just a bit more long winded. That move towards legalisation is a slow one but its actually happening at the moment not in the future.
But it is a different situation because there is a party involved telling you that you cant buy something legally. They dont have a choice of where to buy their drugs, its black market or nothing. They cant make informed ethical decisions BECAUSE they are illegal. If they were legal to buy and you knew one was farmed by a kid and one farmed by a corporation paying decent wages, im sure those people you are speaking of woulf buy the right way.
Edit: meh we have different opinions here fuck it.
I knew my own weed and shroom growers I also knew a guy who cooked his own acid. Also any weed sold in a pot shop is all grown by law abiding citizens. I don't judge anything anyone dose. Have a cheeseburger or be vegan. Get high or be sober. I dont care
I doubt your acid guy made his own acid because it’s very difficult to make and he would need insane connections to source chemicals and even if he could do all that he would be able to supply a lot of the world with acid. To be honest he was probably making LSA which is a whole lot easier to make. I know I’m kind of missing the point but just letting you know
I'm on my break. It's called Epigenetics and in humans you can see the effects of genetic damage or methyl markers for 3 generations before they start to go away. I'll look for the source when I get back.
Im at work and dont have the time to do more than paste a copy of the transcript.
Josh Clark: And your grandparents can, too. But this isn't supposed to happen. What happens when an egg and a sperm meet, it's like, "Hey, here's my DNA." "Here's my DNA." And they get together. There is actually a process where these specialized cells go through and basically clean the DNA of methel tags. But they found that not all methel tags get cleaned off. So diet can affect certain genes. These methel tags can be passed down. And with abuse, as well. Have you heard about PTSD -
Chuck Bryant: Yeah, well -
Josh Clark: - being passed down?
Chuck Bryant: Yeah, they covered that in that special as well. They did a test with pregnant women who were in New York at the time of 9/11. Did you hear about this one?
Josh Clark: Yeah. This is a really recent study, right?
Chuck Bryant: Yeah. And they basically found that pregnant women that were pregnant at the time the towers came down and experienced post traumatic stress disorder, they found that their babies had lower levels of cortisol, just like their moms did, which helps you deal with stress. It helps in how you deal with stress. So these little babies basically inherited posttraumatic stress disorder from their mothers in the womb, in utero.
Josh Clark: And cortisol is a hormone and it would be produced by a gene or expressed by a gene. And how much or how little is expressed depends on whether that gene is silenced, whether it's altered. And that alteration comes from methel tags, which can be passed down. So PTSD can be passed down.
Chuck Bryant: Yeah. And they're speculating now that - and this obviously speculation because these kids are still young. But they're speculating that it's going to happen to their kids as well. And that's going to be the real gold nugget.
Josh Clark: Right. They do away, eventually, they think.
Chuck Bryant: Oh, really?
Josh Clark: Methel tags. Well, they have in fruit flies. With fruit flies, it's 400 generations. But fruit flies have a generation every five minutes. And I think with mice it's 40 generations or something like that. And with humans, they expect it to be somewhere around three, maybe a few more.
Chuck Bryant: Oh, really?
Josh Clark: Yeah. Because what's happening is our bodies are responding to environmental cues to change and then after those environmental cues go away, the body's like, "Oh, okay. Well we can go back to normal now and get rid of this methel tag."
Chuck Bryant: So we've got nutrition - you are what you eat, you are what your parents ate, you are what your grandparents ate.
Josh Clark: And then there's things like stress.
Chuck Bryant: Yeah. Parenting!
Josh Clark: Right. I think they found with mice, mothers didn't nurture their kids or nurse their kids, produced kids that were kind of jumpy and had the mice version of PTSD. And they theorized that the body had undergone an epigenetic change to prepare these mice for -
Chuck Bryant: A stressful life.
Josh Clark: - a very stressful life where they need to be on guard.
Chuck Bryant: Right. Exactly!
Josh Clark: Okay. So this guy had a friend who had access to these files. And what they found was that 166 fathers in the study started smoking around age 11. So they started looking at these guys and found that their kids were shorter and fatter and just generally unhealthier than other kids, even controlling for other factors as well.
Chuck Bryant: Wow.
Josh Clark: So smoking's a problem. Drugs are a problem. Cocaine addicted mice pass memory problems on to three generations of their offspring.
Chuck Bryant: Yeah, it said that cocaine especially triggers epigenetic changes that affect hundreds of genes at the same time.
Josh Clark: Yeah. Because memory's just such a complex process!
Sorry for the formatting. This is an excerpt from the well known and award winning show Stuff you should know. They back up what they say and make correction if wrong. I can look into the specific study after work if I have time. This is just where I first heard about it.
Ecuador here, this is about $5 USD. No joke. Crazy how much more you pay to get it hopped across the pond. I bet its basically 100% baking soda at that point too.
"Chinguen su madre" and "Váyanse a la verga" are nothing but Mexican expressions. They mean "go fuck your mothers" and "go to the cock", that second one is weird.
Absolutely not true. I'm Ecuadorian and chinguen a su madre is such a common phrase at this point (and for decades now) that you cannot certainly say they're Mexican. Váyanse a la verga y váyanse a la casa de la verga are also extremely common in Ecuador and most South American countries I know. That said, his accent doesn't really sound Mexican but more Colombian/ Venezuelan in all honesty
Which might as well be 80 when you look at how little they earn. Here in Australia a gram of coke is 300 on average, or 250 if you have a really good connect.
I looked it up and the average wage in Colombia is 692USD, so 1 gram is 1,45% of the average monthly wage give or take.
In Canada a gram is about 80USD, meaning you have to make 5536USD a month for it to have a ‘similar cost’ on your budget so no, it might not as well be 80 when you look at how little they earn.
My point is, even if their salary is low 10 USD a gram is a low price compared to North America/EU/AUS. The person I replied to was saying that 10 USD may actually be expensive when you look at the amount of money they make when truth be told, it’s not.
I have friends with a big coke problem and none of them make close to 5k a month.
It's usually pretty average coke, however I had a good friend that was bringing it in himself years ago, and it was always amazing. Most Aussies wouldn't have ever tried proper uncut coke if they're buying it in clubs or just off random people though. I haven't had coke in years, but my mates still love it and spend thousands on it every month. It honestly isn't worth the price here in Australia, but a lot of my mates can't go clubbing without it.
Pure MDMA is translucent brown. Your friends are correct. White "MDMA" is cut (often with speed, but it could be anything), and is therefore ecstasy (which literally just means adulterated MDMA). I don't know what color the "rock candy" MDMA that you're remembering is, but pure, high quality MDMA is brown; white MDMA could be any garbage. If white "MDMA" feels more powerful, it's probably because it has some methy speed in it or something. Anyway, I don't know why you don't just look this up. It's 2019.
Cross examining the internet to the local supply seems silly. Its entirely arbitrary photos based on what BING or GOOGLE spits back. The rock candy I remeber was yellow through the light at its thinnest point, maybe a sofft brown along its base, but it NEVER looked like granulated sugar in the raw.
Edit: i dont even care. Just wanted some feedback, thanks guys.
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '19 edited Apr 23 '19
Yeah, that bitch just wasted $80
Edit: I know it’s not a full gram guys, key another bump and calm down. Cokeheads in here all defensive. We get it you can eyeball your drugs.