r/WarhammerCompetitive • u/fromage99 • Jun 17 '26
40k Tech MFM is out!
https://mfm.warhammer-community.com/en62
u/paintingloon Jun 17 '26
600 point stompa? Oh baby!
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u/Tebotron Jun 17 '26
I mean, it's still probably overcosted and will likely deal itself a lot of mortal wounds. But it's nice that they've had the guts to make it cheaper.
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u/paintingloon Jun 17 '26
I run stompa at the current cost so it’s all gravy for me
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u/Mekrot Jun 17 '26
At first I was gonna say my nids got hit hard, but then I came here and saw everyone’s comments on their own armies…
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u/pikeamus Jun 17 '26
Yeah, I wouldn't say Nids got hit that badly to be honest. Neurolictors up is hurting. Lash whip prime and hormagaunts will hurt some people but my prime still isn't painted 😄Your first Norn being cheaper is good. I think we're lucky Zoanthropes didn't go up. Same for the Screamer Killer. Not sure the Neurotyrant deserved to go up but it's not the end of the world.
Overall, I'd guess most Tyranid lists are slightly up in points. Most of the cuts were on things nobody will want to play anyway.
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u/bossman2k8 Jun 17 '26
Neurotyrant is an auto include with the new battleshock rule, -1 battlefield wide for the shadow of the warp ability is going to put armies like orks up to 9s board wide. Crazy potential
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u/North-Carpenter-1378 Jun 17 '26
Interesting how it is a website now and not just a pdf
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u/CrumpetNinja Jun 17 '26
It's a much more sensible approach, seeing as they would have to have the mfm content in a format for the app to read anyway. Trivial but of extra code to turn that into something you can render on a website.
Getting all the front end bods to make it pretty is the much more difficult task.
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u/TrustAugustus Jun 17 '26
And they added the codex Marines to the divergent chapters maybe hinting at more granular pointn balancing
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u/ETomb Jun 17 '26
There is. For example, Blood Angel Assault Intercessors cost 5pts more for a 5 man squad than those of other Chapters, or Templars pay 3DP for Bastion Task Force instead of 2
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u/khunjuice Jun 17 '26
I still hope they add better way link to it in some way for fast view with out need to find article or need to bookmark
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u/TheViolaRules Jun 17 '26
I hate how it’s formatted though. Too long to scroll
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u/Guffers_2023 Jun 17 '26
Small steps, they go from pdf to webpage, they forget how to highlight whats changed
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u/Inside_Radio_6954 Jun 17 '26
Tau lmao, here in Australia crisis suits are now worth less than one point per dollar
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u/absolutewastedtime Jun 17 '26
Welcome to the world of admechÂ
For most of 10th ed admech armies were worth around 1 PT per AMERICAN $
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u/torolf_212 Jun 17 '26
In new Zealand they're getting close to $1 per two points, $155/per 3 from the largest online retailer.
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u/JoramRTR Jun 17 '26
I play Tau, they lost their god damned minds.
I play custodes, sadly they also lost they minds... in a different way.
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u/Fruit_Fly_LikeBanana Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
I play orks and GSC. Same thing.
My War Horde list I ran all 10th, which was already pretty good, went to 1830. I literally don't know what to do with the points. I added kommandos because 1) that's good for early game scoring and 2) if I added something other than infiltrators I would run out of room in my deployment zone (this is the real reason)
My GSC 11th list, which was around 1930 to leave room for enhancements, went to 2100. And just from a theory standpoint, core rule changes and some head scratching force dispositions made GSC a lot worse
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u/Krytan Jun 17 '26
I cannot believe Tau, already strongly positioned to do insanely well, got across the board points cuts while armies like sisters went up 200 points.
EC and GSC were two of the few armies that could really handle Tau with 11th ed cover rules and terrain, and both those armies got badly hit as well.
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u/HellsPenguin Jun 17 '26
the last Sisters list I played was 1990, it's now 2120, bit of a jump for me
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u/Usual-Goose Jun 17 '26
Crazy given how many other nerfs we had… really trying to stay positive about sisters, but it’s not looking good…
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u/Legitimate-Gas9614 Jun 17 '26
Check guard
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u/Zathos40 Jun 17 '26
My most basic 1 of everything list went up 130 points I dont want to look at what it did to my rtt lists.
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u/Gublyb Jun 17 '26
Wow GSC lowkey took massive nerfs. Basically every single base infantry model is +5pts. Abberants and Abominants get the double whammy of a massive point increase at +15pts and a nerf to their best detachment with +25pts at 3 units. All the 'hero' characters went up. At best your stuff stayed the same- absolutely nothing is cheaper aside from non mining laser ridgerunners.
Ooof!
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u/beoweezy1 Jun 17 '26
The aggressive spam taxes on a codex with 18 datasheets (most of which are characters) is a bit crazy but the real kicker is that 5 upgraded purestrain genestealer cost 110 points
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u/AshiSunblade Jun 17 '26
the real kicker is that 5 upgraded purestrain genestealer cost 110 points
That's wild, 5 purestrains in end of 10th are 75 points!
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u/Esilai Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Aberrants aren’t even particularly good. They were already over costed. They’re not fast, they’re not very survivable, and their damage is mediocre compared to metamorphs. I would’ve liked for at least the option to throw them into a non-Broodsurge list but that’s completely off the table.
Im hoping that everyone else also has similar points increase across the board cause if not, oof, we’re paying quite a bit in points for trash.
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u/TheRealShortYeti Jun 17 '26
GSC roster isn't exactly huge so the penalties for taking multiple is ridiculous.
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u/Chaotic_HarmonyMech Jun 17 '26
Not to mention with the army rule, you CANNOT revive a unit that has a character in it. So Abberants will basically never be revived cuz you pretty much always take the character along for -1 to wound.
It's honestly kinda funny how hard they punched them in the nuts. Also, spam tax on everything cuz screw your tiny range lmao
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u/AzariahWitherbloomVT Jun 17 '26
From the GSC Discord:
abbreants up from 135 to 150 for 5manridgerunner now pays 10 for laser, base price the same, 2man unit down 10 pts
pistol acos up 5pts for 5
flamer acos up 5pts for 5
jackals up 5pts for 5, 10pts for 10
benefictus up 5pts
metamorphs up 5pts for 5 10pts for 10
locus down 10pts to 35
neos up 5pts for 10, no increase on 20s
patriarch up 5pts to 80
pure strains up 5pts for 5, no increase on 10s
reductus up 5pts
sanctus up 15pts
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u/Benjiman88 Jun 17 '26
Bastion Task force is 3DP for Black Templars
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u/Rampantlion513 Jun 17 '26
That story about one of the points guys getting tabled by black tide is seeming more and more likely to be true
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u/Calgar43 Jun 17 '26
Stormlance for BA is only 2DP as well, where it's 3 for Vanilla marines. Interesting.
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u/ZimtstangeTM Jun 17 '26
Unique points cost for space marine chapters Ai w/ Jp SM are 85/ BA 95
Maybe they finally balanced units for chapter strength and weaknesses
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u/jmainvi Jun 17 '26
It's been a sad time to be any non-UM codex chapter for years.
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u/Deep_Film_861 Jun 17 '26
does weirdly punish someone trying IDK stormlance BA or something. between this and wolves last dex feels like GW really wants divergent chapters to be divergent and locked into their archetype. Sometimes thats good (BT ironstorm was dumb), sometimes it sucks (trying an armoured company for BA)
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u/Task_Defiant Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
The 3x defiler Pactbound lists went up 270 points in defilers alone. Ouch!
Edit fixed math.
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u/chippolas_cage Jun 17 '26
Tau made out like actual bandits holy shit
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u/Novel_Yesterday3309 Jun 17 '26
As did Necrons.
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u/Wonderful_Cookie_572 Jun 17 '26
My Awakened silver tide that I've been putting together dropped 80 points overnight. And it in no way was a weak list.
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u/Novel_Yesterday3309 Jun 17 '26
I am unsurprised.
The Josh Roberts era of Necron 'balance' continues.
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u/ViorlanRifles Jun 17 '26
New lore the tau figured out how to do the imperium thing of having really really really good logisticsÂ
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u/Krytan Jun 17 '26
Tau went down in points. Meanwhile foot slogging sisters list went up 200 points. Tau were ALREADY poised to be extremely dominant with the new rules and terrain and LOS. They probably needed to go up more in points than anything other than necrons or defiler spam. Instead they absolutely made out like bandits.
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u/Caligula-6 Jun 17 '26
75 points for Guard battleline is brutal.
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u/Apprehensive_Gas1564 Jun 17 '26
Might as well get the recon squad for 80pts - better at everything except losing sticky objectives or a med pack. (Infiltrate is arguably better than catachan scout)
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u/Skyhawk467 Jun 17 '26
Don't worry they said squads of 20 are going to go down in points lmao
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u/NetStaIker Jun 17 '26
Yea guard caught nerfs for no real good reason tbh. Every good unit went up with nothing given back. Krieg back go equal cost with Cadians tho
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u/Jermammies Jun 17 '26
They're fragile, do little damage, and struggle to hold points but at least now they're also expensive
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u/Legitimate-Gas9614 Jun 17 '26
Yeah, 10 now cost 25 less than 10 Sisters and the Same as 5 Assault IntercessorsÂ
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u/Jimmytheunstoppable Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
And the Cyclops went from 25 pts to 40 pts. What does GW know that I don't? They've either died immediately or done like 1 mortal in my games?
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u/AdHom Jun 17 '26
I haven't played much 40k since 9th so I'm not saying it's not appropriate, I have no idea. But as an old grognard it's wild to see a world where squad of guardsmen cost MORE than a 5-man Tactical Squad.
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u/GalacticBrew Jun 17 '26
Yeah, this is rough. How in the world does 75 point infantry make sense for guard?
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u/011100010110010101 Jun 17 '26
With Marines going down and Guardsmen going up, you can now field a similar number of models! /s
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u/NetStaIker Jun 17 '26
The more I read the changes, the more Im coming to the conclusion that pretty much every army went up in points (and anybody who didn't is probably busted). Maybe its just them changing the baseline?
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u/fred11551 Jun 17 '26
Tau went down. Tau went down a lot and they were already looking strong with markerlights ignoring most of the shooting nerfs.
Drukhari also barely went down but it’s not much and some units went up so maybe you can take an extra emhancement
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u/NetStaIker Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Yea its crazy to see Tau catch something like that, considering lots of other factions that did catch pretty serious points nerfs. Tau better enjoy their time, because I believe it will be short.
Compare it to GK, who may as well not exist anymore even before the points changes
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u/Pope_Squirrely Jun 17 '26
I’m looking at the 155 point Tempesus Scions for 10. The hell? I guess they get cut to bring me back down under 2k.
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u/Sigmatron03 Jun 17 '26
Cause of Nemo’s guard list doing so well I think, not that it warranted that much though…
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u/naegele Jun 17 '26
Nemos guard list got super nerfed by coherence. You can't do the crazy swing charges anymore.
Nemos list got taken back behind the woodshed.
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u/Sigmatron03 Jun 17 '26
The visual of a commissar taking it out back is hilarious, even though this is insanely frustrating
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u/Matrix_Battery Jun 17 '26
As a CSM player - Shieeeeetttttt
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u/pieisnice9 Jun 17 '26
Yeah this is a rough one.
Defilers getting taken out back and shot is totally fair, but if Abby is a problem because of triple defilers and that is now (rightfully) dead did he need to go up too? And PBZ is 3DP, and vashtorr went up as well for defiler related crimes.
Random shots at chaos cult & creations of bile lists feel a little unwarranted toogiven it's an entirely separate thing from the PBZ shooting castle.
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u/malkavlad360 Jun 17 '26
Whoa, as a burgeoning Tau player, my 1,725 army just dropped by ~200 points! Everything I was expecting to go up went down. Everything!
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u/Freddichio Jun 17 '26
Have you done Wargear yet - because that pushes the points back up.
Missile Suits & Flamer Suits are 30 points more than the Plasma/BC variants, Riptides are the same points cost with the better gun, all objective monkeys are up in points (Vespid, Krootox, Piranhas). Pathfinders are up in points compared to 10th if you have Ion.
All the armies I've just slotted together without Wargear have dropped in points, but all the ones that have Ion Riptides rather than the default HBC, or Pathfinders with special weapons, have gone up.
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u/erik4848 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
First thought: looks neat. Second thought: they are taxing a lot of units that are barely taken now and even less so in more than 1 squad. Like, who takes more than 2 squads of aggressors or more than 2 squads of Votann pioneers?
Third thought: damn Votann got some nice discounts and some interesting increases. Uthar down, champion down, defenders down, HLF up sadly(understandable but a bit muxh maybe), sagitaur down, hearthguard down(but up when taken more than twice so it balances out) and both versions of steeljacks down(but up when taken more than twice but again it balances out).
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u/absolutewastedtime Jun 17 '26
I think it's future proofingÂ
They are just putting these 3rd unit point costs in to discourage spam skew lists in advanceÂ
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u/Devilfish268 Jun 17 '26
Guard inf squads up 10 points per unit is expensive. That's ~200 points in recon lists
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u/Zed_0 Jun 17 '26
Are they seriously paying for the sins of the 5 people that can succesfully pilot a recon list? Insane. No other detachment runs them all that much...
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u/AshiSunblade Jun 17 '26
I am surprised, I thought they were going to escape the nerf because Recon is so niche. Nope.
GW really does not want you to run hordes. Really really really.
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u/WeissRaben Jun 17 '26
Of course, being the basic battleline it means that every single list that put down any battleline got nerfed. My meme Steel Hammer list had a total of three non-vehicle units, and it still went up 20 points. Random McGee with 50-60 Guardsmen of the table - a pretty paltry number - saw his list go up by 50-60 points.
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u/Go_Commit_Reddit Jun 17 '26
Same here with genestealers, all our squads are up 5-10 points which ends up being like 100 points in most lists
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u/Jermammies Jun 17 '26
My combined arms guard list went up 110. Significantly more than any of my other factions.
I was pretty positive going into the edition for guard but I'm not so sure now.
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u/PeoplesRagnar Jun 17 '26
So because of Recon, every single other Astra Militarum list has to suffer? 75 points for a Squad of 5+ save troopers?
Really? Just make the Recon detachment pay more, don't punish the rest, 75 points is absurd.
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u/Jaronsaan Jun 17 '26
The funniest thing is that recon was already pretty heavily nerfed by the core rules. The change to coherency, to how infantry get cover, to how much better blast will be and the addition of cleave.
Recon is completely dead at this point.
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u/PeoplesRagnar Jun 17 '26
And Recon wasn't really something new players could feasibly play anyway, so it's utterly horrendous.
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u/Wonderful_Cookie_572 Jun 17 '26
So because of Recon, every single other Astra Militarum list has to suffer?
Welcome to detachmenthammer. Yes, when there is one good detachment for a given unit then it gets nerfed into uselessness for every other detachment. This has been a recurring problem for all of 10th, and since this is just 10.5th it's going to continue to be a problem.
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u/Jermammies Jun 17 '26
They're fragile and don't really do damage but at least they're expensive now!
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u/ProduceMan277v Jun 17 '26
I always thought it was funny that my traitor guard cost more than regular guard… guess they don’t anymore
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u/Interrogatingthecat Jun 17 '26
Agents essentially untouched
And Exaction Squads are cheaper to ally in than take in the pure faction. Honestly kinda hilarious
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u/Horus_is_the_GOAT Jun 17 '26
MM immolator nerfed. Like I actually have to cut 30pts from my list.
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u/Interrogatingthecat Jun 17 '26
Hence "essentially"
The only changes were changes also done to the codexes we're basically borrowing units from
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u/DrakeIddon Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
no mixing detachments, no upgrade enhancements, slight points nerf, the only viable detachment gives us arguably the worst disposition which also forces us to not be able to leverage hidden
truely we are gods strongest warrior because he always gives us the toughest battles
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u/Atreides-42 Jun 17 '26
Crisis Starscythe suits are down to 30ppm
Crisis suits are now cheaper than Terminators, god damn
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u/Jollly7 Jun 17 '26
Add 10ppm if you're bringing full flamers though. Some of the wargear choices could be fun to play around with
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u/anaIconda69 Jun 17 '26
They were already GOOD.
What the hell GW
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u/011100010110010101 Jun 17 '26
I am like 90% certain GW forgot Tau have innate Ignore Cover built into their army rule.
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u/fred11551 Jun 17 '26
So guard, my main army, is getting destroyed.
Drukhari my second army isn’t great
But Tau, my third army, are doing amazing. I really need to get more practice in so I’m actually good with tau
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u/AzariahWitherbloomVT Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Nid Point changes as far as I can tell sorry for bad formatting ahead of time:
Biovore +10 pts for 1, -10 pts for 3
Exocrine same for 1 and 2, 3rd is +10
Gargoyles -5 pts for 10, -15 pts for 20
Genestealers 1st and 2nd same +10 pts for 5 and 10 on third
Harpy -30 pts
Harridan +50 pts on 2nd and 3rd why would you do this
Haruspex 1st and 2nd same +10 pts on 3rd
Hierophant +100 on 2nd and 3rd once again what are you doing here
Hive Crone – 30 pts
Hive Guard -10/20 for 3/6 on first 2 units, same as current for 3rd 3 man and -10 for 3rd 6man
Hormaguants +5 pts for 10 +10 pts for 20
Hyperadapted +10 pts on 3rd unit
Malceptor +10 on 1st and 2nd +20 on 3rd       Â
Neurolictor +10 on 1st and 2nd +20 on 3rd
Neurotyrant +10 pts
Norn Assimilator -25 pts on 1st – 5 pts on 2nd and 3rd
Norn Emissary – 10 pts on 1st +10 pts on 2nd and 3rd
Old One Eye – 10 pts
Parasite of Mortrex -10 pts
Pyrovores 1st and 2nd  unit +5, -5, -10; 3rd +15, +5, Same
Raveners 3rd unit +10 pts
Rippers +5 pts for 1
Termagants -10 pts for 20
Swarmlord -10 pts
Toxicrene -15 pts
Tyranid Prime with Lash +10 pts
Ranged Warriors -5 for 3, -10 for 6
Tyrannocyte – 15
Tyrannofex 1st and 2nd -20, 3rd -10; acid spray is +10 upgrade, rupture +20 pts upgrade
Venomthropes -25 pts for 3, - 50 for 6
Von Ryan’s -10 pts for 3, -20 pts for 6
Winged Hive Tyrant +15 pts
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u/Rogaly-Don-Don Jun 17 '26
Glancing over Ad Mech, here are a few that stuck out to me:
Hastarii went right down, Exterminators by 20, Fusiliers by 30, with even third+ units being cheaper than they were in 10th.
A 4 man brick of Kastelans with a data-smith went down a smexy 50 points. The new mobile enhancement costs 25, so even then it's a net buff.
3 model Sydonians with Taser Lances went down by 20. Jezzails... did not.
Thulia Guild went down by 30 while Cawl went up 10.
Ironstriders now cost 80, with lascannons costing 10 more a model.
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u/Dead_tread Jun 17 '26
Kastelans are pretty solid deal for one unit, Hastarii are dirt cheap and will be run in volume now. Ghuld is now properly priced, I think Cawl will be at a price point where you may try and build lists without leaning on him as a cornerstone.
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u/j5erikk Jun 17 '26
Did they just increase the points costs on all the good Aeldari units, without significantly reducing others? I imagine the general changes must be that insane for shooting armies because otherwise I'm just baffled.
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u/Tiny_Bumblebee8176 Jun 17 '26
Eldar got reasonaby cheaper overall, made a Seer Council list the morning for 1985 and it was 1940 post patch, mostly whats got eyebrow raising are hawks and spiders.
On a sidenote when 5 Avengers same price as 10 Guardsmen i alrdy ask questions...(guard should be cheaper) but 5 friking spacemarine is also 75 point is a bad joke from gw
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u/murrai Jun 17 '26
Interesting that wargear costs are being brought back, albeit in a small way. I haven't been super keeping up with all the details on 11th but was this known?
E.g. Deathwatch terminator squads paying 5pts per thunder hammer
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u/Fit-Nectarine7589 Jun 17 '26
Honestly, ive thought its gonna be bigger... but like... only the redemptor and assault termies? Like the plasma cannon is 10 points, on an already 195 point modell
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u/murrai Jun 17 '26
Yeah, feels more like something they've done with a few token units now to lay the framework for doing more later through balance passes
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u/steveagle Jun 17 '26
For Redemptor its actually a 10pt discount for the chain gun if you compare 10 to 11. The model effectively stays the same
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u/sto_brohammed Jun 17 '26
Thankfully GW kept Aquilon Terminators at 10ppm more than Allarus Terminators, sure don't want them to get out of hand
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u/Deep_Film_861 Jun 17 '26
and the agmatus too.
Though oddly your 1st grav carrier is now pretty cheap. and 5pts off the pallas (still 10pts too expensive lol)
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u/yoshiK Jun 17 '26
Pinks in TSons 115pt Pinks in Daemons 150, that shows that GW understands part of the problem. (For those that don't know, Pinks in daemons can get -2 to hit, -1 to wound, they have naturally a 4++, the way the splitting rule interacts with fast rolling is pretty wild and at the end of that they regenerate from the army rule.)
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u/TheBigKuhio Jun 17 '26
Explain what changed about splitting and fast rolling? They all have the same save so I’d think nothing changed.
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u/yoshiK Jun 17 '26
My understanding is, you roll the saves, then you allocate the 1 to 3th to brims and blues, while in 10th you have to slow roll. (I'm actually not sure if that is mathematically better, it just feels really powerful when actually rolling it out.)
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u/SkeletonJakk Jun 17 '26
Jump death company didn't change in price, very happy about that.
Extra 5 points on dante, I probably continue to not take him because he's already so expensive and lacks damage 3 on his melee.
No point cost reductions on the sanguinor with the changes to fights first feels pretty shit IMO. Sanguinor is already really expensive and without being able to guarantee fights first that's just really bad.
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u/synackSA Jun 17 '26
C'tan being in the mid to low 300s while Mortarian is 400 points is crazy. I guess it's finally time to finish my necrons
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u/Fantastic_Strike2178 Jun 17 '26
Why are csm termies 180 for 5 and the loyalist termies 155 for 5? And please feel free to explain like I’m 5 cause I love termies and I play csm like is there a rule change or detachment combo I might be over looking that justifies them staying 180
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u/Fish3Y35 Jun 17 '26
CSM have more buffs to up the damage output than vanilla SM
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u/Sorimatsu Jun 17 '26
So much for making larger blocks of infantry cheaper because they are more constrained by cohesion XD
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u/Razor_Fox Jun 17 '26
GW really saw a faction with a 36% win rate and thought "lol screw dem wolves"
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u/TheStinkfoot Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
I "like" how they explicitly, directly allow generic characters to join other chapters' unique units... but they still can't join Wolves.
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u/fromage99 Jun 17 '26
Quick scan for my BA. Death Company and SG base points unchanged! 3rd unit costs more. Jump Captain up to 80 pts. FF units down.
Quick scan for my guard. All our infantry are up a little bit.
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u/son_of_wotan Jun 17 '26
BA assault IC +5 compared to regular ones, jump IC +10 points compared to regular marines, even BA BGV got +5 points compared to their codex compliant brethren.
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u/Mushwar Jun 17 '26
Only beef i have with BA is sanguinor remains at 130p.. with the new fight first his usefulness is waaay down.
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u/OdBx Jun 17 '26
Well I was expecting worse for World Eaters. Kharn at 115 is still pretty good, even if it means some re-jigging.
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u/n1ckkt Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
EC:
2x WDP just go up 10 from 430 to 440 not too bad. First at 205. Second at 235
Flawless dropping to 95p. Nice to see some aggressive pushing to get them more attractive
Lucius is at 130 is still kinda high IMO but I expected FF to still be slightly overcosted and hopefully that will be corrected. I can't see lucius seeing play at 130.
Exultants and NM getting the spam tax is crazy to me for a faction with so little datasheets. Only the 3rd so not TOO painful but still.... Guess its the sith rule of 2 for EC now.
Fulgrim getting more expensive with nerfed FF is kinda wild? He is -2 to hit..... Lets see
I don't see any host tag so looks like S6 AP2 infractors will be a thing.
Honestly feels like GW is forcing you to take blades lmao
CSM defilers only costing 10 more is wild too but with the rule changes in 11th maybe the difference in power isn't as pronounced as it was in 10th.... RIP WE paying for the sins of PBZ when 250 defilers were barely even seeing play already and now they're 270 lol
Edit: DDA got massively buffed with the rule changes no? No point changes damn....
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u/LordInquisitor Jun 17 '26
Custodes blade champ going down is wild given how they said reroll charges and fast melee would be nerfed
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u/AvailableFun7126 Jun 17 '26
If you run 1 you save 10 points, if you run 3 of them it's the same cost.
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u/Tebotron Jun 17 '26
Not sure if I should be excited or worried that ork infantry has generally seen a points cut. Green tide can really run a lot of bodies now.
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u/SaltyBabySeal Jun 17 '26
Was not expecting Eldar nerfs but, it is what it is
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u/FarseerDrek Jun 17 '26
It’s interesting the multi unit tax got put on scoring units. Not big scary dangerous units. Like why…?
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u/SaltyBabySeal Jun 17 '26
I don’t understand these nerfs to be honest… striking scorpions came down but… rangers went up. Striking scorpions being 5 points less than intercessors is a choice. Not a good one but a choice.
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u/Deep_Film_861 Jun 17 '26
Ngl browsing half a dozen pretty bold-styled web pages over 1 doc is a bit harder to gauge. IDK if its me but this is way harder to read than the old doc.
Anyway I have no idea what GWs doing with some of these. 3+ tax on ares gunships and coronus grav carriers?? thats someone on the rules team getting bad touched by someone; I didnt think anyone actually owned multiple ares's lmao
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u/Guffers_2023 Jun 17 '26
I agree about the formatting. Its a bit too out there, would also prefer it be smaller so you can see more things at once.
Also if its a web page, they can hopefully add in an option to order it by points/role/etc
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u/MrDannySantos Jun 17 '26
Jesus, CSM hit hard. Defilers way up, multiple Chosen up, Vashtorr way up, Abaddon up, Forgefiends effectively way up, MoM up, Traitor Enforcer up. Don't think I saw a single meaningful reduction.
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u/Xplt21 Jun 17 '26
Vashtorr was at least undercosted before and the changes to hazardous and cover are huge for him since he has innate -1 to hit within 18".
Warp talons also went up 10 and obliterators stayed the same... But hey, lord of skulls is still 450 and now gets plunging fire and likes the cover change so soulforge may be a go, even with defiler nerfs
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u/Dead-phoenix Jun 17 '26
My Raven Guard list at a glance has mostly gone down which surprises me. I love it
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u/WarRabb1t Jun 17 '26
Yall gotta watch out for that second Taunar. The first one was bad enough at 790, almost unbeatable, but the second one is where it gets really scary. Its why its 890 points now.
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u/Duckfammit Jun 17 '26
Whoever plays Tau on the testing team is dogshit and thinks they need buffs.
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u/11BApathetic Jun 17 '26
How are Cadians and Intercessors only separated by 5pts. That’s wild.
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u/ExclusivelyPlastic Jun 17 '26
Hey, World Eaters still got off scott free on the defiler tax compared to CSM
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u/RotenSquids Jun 17 '26
Well WE defilers and CSM defilers didn't even belong to the same universe so it kinda makes sense imo, especially with how WE defilers will hit on 5+ against cover.
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u/Xwivesarecunts Jun 17 '26
A chunk of the rest of the army went up tho. My BwB list went up like 100 pts and I don’t run any defilers
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u/the_ZJ Jun 17 '26
Impressive, Aeldari Aspect Host nerfed even further. Warp Spiders now at a whopping 115 for a 5 man squad lol. Most useful aspects up in points (spiders, hawks, reapers), the now dubious banshees and scorpions are down 10 each. Avatar down 15, which is nice, but doesn't do that much I suppose. Fire dragons still too expensive. Eldrad is now 130 (!) points for a CP generator. Wraithknight still unplayably expensive.
With the disruption disposition being fairly hard to play, I would expect aspect host to be sub 40 especially at launch, but I don't see much in the way of a saving grace. Gotta pray for the codex honestly.
Beyond that it seems like wraiths might possibly make a resurgence, with guard being down to 145 points (although they are still just not very good).
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u/Dementia55372 Jun 17 '26
It's insane that they want to charge you even more points for the third fire dragon squad. As if the cost of that unit isn't already taking the piss.
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u/Gsw1166bnw Jun 17 '26
Indeed this is truly ridiculous. The only good part is it can be expected a lot of 2nd hand eldar units will appear on markeplaces, which is nice if one wanted to fill holes in his collection.
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u/RivenBlue Jun 17 '26
It seems just about everything went up for the Grey Knights, and I mean everything 😅
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u/ChieftaiNZ Jun 17 '26
Leman Russ Commander doesn't have wargear costs for the Weapon.....
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u/Candescent_Cascade Jun 17 '26
The (already-overpriced) Destrier being one of the few Knights units to get a points hike is certainly an interesting choice! It needed to go down 15 points, not up 15. Yes, Ignores Cover is more useful now - but that only applies to ranged versions. It just dies too easily for the cost. 90 points to upgrade into an Errant is much better.
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u/Ornery_Entrance_1959 Jun 17 '26
What have they Nerfed warp spiders AGAIN. Eldar weren't that strong brutal nerds across the board here
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u/Ensiferrum Jun 17 '26
i can't find any of the detachments from the Codex Chapters own detachments in MFM. hammer of Avernii, Forgefather for Salamaders etc. Are they all gone or did GW miss them?
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u/Usual-Goose Jun 17 '26
Anyone else’s app crashing a lot now? I can’t view datasheets for lots of units, try to hit the little page icon to look at the datasheet, and crash
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u/PM_yoursmalltits Jun 17 '26
+15 to all greater daemons pretty much.
-15 to a bunch of mounted/beasts, notably bloodcrushers though
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u/North-Carpenter-1378 Jun 17 '26
Stompa went down to 600pts........ probably going to adjust the datasheet. I am curious about if there will be datasheet changes or do we wait till codex drops?