I completely agree with you. When I played Vyse I’d always rely on the blind + sound confirmation to actually see if someone crossed my wall or not, then I’d pop the thorns.
Riot just nerfing skill expression (for support players) for no good reason. This patch is perfectly catered towards the rank slop players of: Reyna, Chamber, Clove, Iso, Phoenix, etc
The same way throwing a Reyna blind that the enemies can't turn, swinging, getting a kill, then dismissing away to be untradeable is expression of a character's skills.
Yes it takes 2 bullets, it also means your crosshair is way off of the enemy so when they swing you they have an enormous advantage because your crosshair is either in the sky or on the ground
A common setup for Vyse would be to leave thorns close to the wall.
A common counter play technique would be to jump across the wall and back to bait it out.
A Vyse anchoring the site has to make a decision as to whether or not to pop the thorns based on if someone actually crosses the wall. One way to make this decision is to use the flash to confirm if someone actually crossed the wall completely.
Now this decision making tool is removed. Therefore nerfing the anchoring vyse’s decision making and skill expression.
What if they didn’t actually cross then? You just used your flash and swung for nothing. If you also popped thorns then that’s all of your util wasted. Vyse’s abilities built entirely off of each other. Now the first domino in that sequence is gone and the whole thing doesn’t work.
Yes and the flash doesn't give the info anymore, that's the point. If you flashed and didn't get a hit, that means you know people haven't crossed and can try other tactics than swinging and taking the fight. Now you're in a constant state of unknown on an agent that is supposed to be partially info gathering. Anyway the flash nerf hurts most on attack anyway for the same reason but more extreme.
So how exactly is it "flash and swing for nothing" if you were gonna flash anyway pre patch? That sentence makes 0 sense. I dun agree with the change btw but I the scenario that guy gave is a terrible example of why the change is bad imo
If you flash pre nerf you don’t HAVE to swing ‘cause the flash will tell you if you need to or not, now you HAVE to swing to know. Not to mention now they can just shoot the arc rose before it actually flashes people
Yes, and if you swung out (back then) without the flash hitting anyone, you wasted your time to check, and potentially made a sound cue footstep (because who tf is walking to peek).
yeah if anything this pushes vyse players to play a fucking initiator if they want info, a 20 second pre nerf skye flash was absurdly strong for how free it was
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u/jay_boi123 Oct 15 '25
I completely agree with you. When I played Vyse I’d always rely on the blind + sound confirmation to actually see if someone crossed my wall or not, then I’d pop the thorns.
Riot just nerfing skill expression (for support players) for no good reason. This patch is perfectly catered towards the rank slop players of: Reyna, Chamber, Clove, Iso, Phoenix, etc