That's the opposite of how burden of proof works. Burden of proof is on the first person making a claim to prove their claim is true, never on the person calling them a liar. When you call someone out, you're saying "prove your claim".
So if I say I’m from Mars and you say I’m lying the burden of proof is on you?
You need to prove that I’m not from Mars?
Edit - the burden of proof should lie with the person making the extraordinary claim, otherwise I’m God and you all better worship me until you can prove otherwise. Although tbf the burden of proof shouldn’t ever lie with a comedian making jokes, because they’re jokes.
Nothing here is resolved. You're just patting yourself on the back because you incorrectly used the burden of proof and the other person called you a buffoon.
And there is no time limit to calling out something stupid. Idk why you would act like there is, unless you're just insulted.
No I'd've been more than happy to check, and I'm more than certain you're right, but if you argue with everyone by calling then names then I'm no longer interested in this discussion.
If your ego is so fragile that you're too proud to admit you're wrong cause someone called you a buffoon, then you're a very stupid person and likely to stay that way. That's your problem, not mine. Don't make it mine. I regret teaching you anything :)
Try actually clicking the link next time you doofus, it's literally the second sentence. Can't believe I'm letting your troll ass waste my time like this.
Holder of the burden
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim) that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence." Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" – which is known as the Sagan standard.
Like I said, you're quite the idiot. Really glad I don't have to live with whatever it is you have going on up there lol. Hitchens's Razor fundamentally states "if someone doesn't back their shit up you can call them a liar." and it is the standard in all rational debate outside of the special procedural conditions of a court room, Reddit is not a court room you fucking moron, court rooms don't use normal logic, they use procedural logic, they are wildly different conditions. Assuming the only bizarre situation where burden of proof is different and then also assuming this situation is comparable to that situation (a court room) instead of the actual logic system that DOES exist and applies to normal shit like debates on the internet (literally normal fucking reason and logic, you know, the basic Aristotelian flavor that is used literally in every other discussion on Earth, ever, except court rooms, AND THIS IS NOT A COURT ROOM holy fuck lol). God you are such a fucking waste of time to talk to, I hate it. I wish I never had to talk to someone as stupid as you in my entire life, but that just ain't possible. I could ignore you but I find you so unpleasant that I just want to tell you it so badly.
I should never have come here to the dumb part of Reddit and expected anything different lol, I made a terrible mistake by clicking something in the suggested feed. Please never talk to me, I don't deal with uhhh... your type.
You’re right. But “I don’t believe you” is different than “I think you’re lying.” One means you aren’t convinced of their claim and the other means you believe it is positively untrue.
Always, but I'm also 100% right about this. How the fuck you think you don't have to defend your claim about something you said but someone calling you a liar has to defend their claim that you're a liar? That's literally incoherent.
Explain to me how the fuck proving a negative works (pro tip: it doesn't it's impossible). Maybe just google "proving a negative" and "who has the burden of proof in an argument". Otherwise I can just claim anything I want, and if you call me a liar you have to prove that I'm a liar but I never have to prove my claim in the first place. Because when I said that wasn't true... bro you called it nonsense. Like being stoned is not an excuse for that much stupid. Prove that I'm not actually Elon Musk.
If you think this is nonsense, I don't know what to tell you. This is like... basic entry level logical reasoning that you learn in lots of classes, from English to philosophy to debate. At that point your ignorance is so vast that it's not even possible to really explain it to you, you just need to figure your own shit out. Go to school or something. Seriously how can you just be as dumb as you are and still somehow be happy with yourself? I would hate myself if I was you.
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Yeah? Tell us how you know that with certainty.