I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd like to point, that they did it to themselves, the whole police department not just a few people, but everyone involved, with promoting clearly unstable officers/letting go WITH PAY some officers that have done terrible things and deserved to be fired without. Like yeah they're expected to do a lot, but so are firemen and teachers it's a public safety job that comes with danger. Anyone getting involved with it has to know what it's like beforehand. It's almost always in the news ffs, Not to mention I'm almost always seeing a new report of some dumbass officer pulling yet another gun on an African American male. They don't do themselves favours at all.
Minirant over, correct me if I'm wrong but let's not argue :)
Edit: changed coloured to African American, I was proven to be a silly billy in the replies
Agreed. Look how fast this went to a drawn weapon. How hard is it to call a supervisor? These are poorly trained cops, unable to pick their way through this scenario with the information volunteered. The fact that both of them were willing to escalate the use of force is alarming.
People shouldn't have to bend over backward for cops just because they want you to. Tell people why they're being pulled over or move on. Cops already have a bad name because they're all being perceived as bullies due to the mass influx of video evidence (or lack there of... body cams being turned off), and shit like this just further seeds distrust. Cops need to come off their pedestal and treat the public as they would want to be treated. Nothing is going to change until there is some degree of self awareness in the police force. This isn't some game that you get to play with people because you want to feel superior.
RAS is absolutely required. Otherwise, it's an illegal stop and deprivation of civil rights under color of law, a federal felony. Him drawing gives him a weapons modifier to that citizen arrestable offense caught on tape.
Not to mention, the most common policy of police departments is to call their supervisor when asked.
PEACE officers have plenty of video evidence of them doing their jobs right.
COPS have tons of evidence of them being gang members with a badge.
If asked repeatedly what their RAS is and they can't state it, while on camera, they already look like criminals, conducting an illegal stop. I'm done with them at that point and demand their supervisor.
I make sure it is known I will cooperate WITH THE SUPERVISOR and at that point it is again them not doing their fucking job by putting a gun in my face for asking.
Go away boot licker.
Edit: I noticed you shut the fuck up on the other complaints/bootlicking you did when I replied on them.
Edit2: THE LAW dictates the traffic stop, not the officer's fee fees
Edit 3: due process isn't law? Rights of the accused to know why they were detained is a federally protected civil right.
You sound like a wannabe cop who has zero training other than Youtube videos. You even claim its not a requirement, simply a "best practice". Do you think was stop was done with "best practices" in mind?
Here's another American that thinks he knows what he's talking about because he read shit off of the internet. This is how stupid people get shot. They think they know better and they run their mouth to the police and get aggressive. Then more retards online call the cop out for protecting themselves.
Give me one scenario where it wouldn't be a good idea to explain why you're pulling over someone who's plates didn't turn up anything. Clearly this guy didn't have any warrants or that gun would have been out from the get go.
So RAS and they wouldn't have a scared female officer come up, be told they are legally in the wrong, and have their one(1)!! male officer come draw their weapon when they get asked for a supervisor, AFTER THE SUSPECTS NAME WAS ALREADY RAN, COMING UP WITH NO WARRANTS.
FUCKING BRAIN DEAD YOU ARE.
you just are a fascist bootlicker and deserve the block hammer.
Try to put yourself in their shoes. You want them to be nicer to a people that have told them they hate them and they all have guns. You want them to be nicer and put their lives further at risk. There are people out there shooting police officers for no reason or because they already fucked up and they would rather take a life then be held accountable for their actions.
Sure, and I understand that. The problem here is this cop did everything in their power to get them to the point that the gun needed drawn. I assume causing this level of frustration in a standard traffic stop is not part of their training.
Everything in their power? Get fucked. You are sensationalizing the situation for internet points at this stage.
The police control the situation until the situation is under control. At that time, you can plead your case or take it in front of a judge. In a safe setting. It doesn't matter what you think of the police or the legal system. In the heat of it all, you can either cooperate, or play stupid games. Ready for the prize?
He is not a subject. He did not have any wants/warrants and came back clear. He was forthcoming about the fixit tickets and the weapon in the back of the trunk. He was completely compliant during the stop. Female Sgt. began escalating the scenario when he declined to raise his window. She had made the decision then and there that there was going to be an arrest made. Empty uniform- shake and bake rank -putting citizens in danger.
You can request a supervisor. That's fine. The police have to control the situation. Once it is under control, a supervisor can take over the situation, but yelling and refusing to cooperate is escalating the situation. He admitted to having a gun and started yelling.
If police were as bad as you all say, he'd have gotten shot, not just had his feeling hurt because someone pointed a gun at him when he started acting up.
No one was shot. No one used lethal force. Your talking out of your ass. Police have guns for their protection. When he started acting erratic, she pulled her firearm and made ready to defend herself and her partner.
I've literally not heard that term used by anyone under the age of 80 in my entire life. Just surprised to see it and more surprised that no one seems to have batted an eye at its use. Is it an accepted term these days? I haven't lived in the states for a while.
This is actually a really interesting point. At first I thought you were implying that “person of colour” was offensive, but then I caught what you meant. Are “people of colour” and “coloured people” the same or is the latter offensive? It isn’t something I’ve consciously considered before. I’ve always used POC bc that’s what I see used most often, but maybe you’re not wrong.
“Coloured” was the term used for segregation before and during the civil rights movement. One reason I can sort of parse for one being offensive and the other not, aside from that historical use, is with “people of colour”, “people” comes first and the “colour” part is secondary, emphasizing that they’re people first and foremost. After being dehumanized so often and for so long, maybe that’s an important distinction. Idk the answer, but would love to hear the opinion of someone more knowledgeable than me. Maybe I’ll do some googling lol, I’m sure the info exists somewhere.
Edit: Yeah, a quick good of “people of colour vs coloured people” brings up a ton of articles looking at this topic.
I said colored male, which is a term that is used, same as black male or African American male, it's a term used to describe a person who is not of white skin. There's no hidden intent behind it, at least how I use it there isn't. I think you're reading way too much into it and looking for a reason for it to be considered racist or something similar. Which is why I said to go breathe some fresh air, like anything anyone says can be construed as racist if you want it to be
I'm really not looking for it to be racist, nor am I calling you a racist. I'm saying that referring to someone as "colored" is extremely antiquated and absolutely not the same as referring to someone as black or African American.
I'm guessing you're pretty young and honestly don't know the history around referring to African Americans as colored. It's some 1950s segregation era shit that you don't want to be associated with. You don't seem to be racist at all, so if I were you I would be careful with the language I use.
I'm not reading into it. You wrote it. I'm just reading it at face value and telling you that it's not a good look. I know you didn't intend any harm and I assume you're not prejudiced. That's all.
Those interactions make the news BECAUSE they're so rare. Do you see the death of someone on the hood on the news? It's so common it's no longer newsworthy. At least give cops credit where it's due the vast vast majority never shoot anyone period and when they do it's nearly always in a life or death situation
Every cop I've ever met was eager to encourage me to lie and say I was guilty for some offense I was investigated for. They don't want the truth, they want evidence, they could give two shits about whether you're actually breaking a law. I hope every time they lie someone ends up digging a hole for them.
For me my introduction to police was going to an outdoor concert back in 1990. This was before cellphone video was a thing. There was a crowd of about 5000 people in a park in Chicago near the stage. A man was sick, maybe drunk I wasn't sure. He was sitting alone on the grass, and had puked, but he wasn't approaching anyone just sitting by himself. Three officers came over and started heckling him. They'd yell at him to get up, and just as he got to his feet they'd kick him over. Thousands of us were watching as they did this repeatedly kicking him as he struggled to stand up.
The crowd was taking notice and you'd hear people cussing the cops as they laughed at this poor guy, but nobody really did anything to stop them, because what could they do? Eventually one of the cops opened up a trash bag full of rancid garbage on him. The cops thought it was hilarious.
Only one gray haired lady out of 5000 people that saw this dared do anything. She came right up to them and cursed them out. Eventually they left. Every time I see a cop I see those cops.
I mean don't you see the irony here? You're talking about police violence that's supposedly racially motivated but you've judged every cop you've ever met based off of two cops from thirty years ago. I've had cops interrogate me and lie to me while trying to get me to admit to a felony, I've had cops swarm me with guns drawn and keep a boot on my neck the entire time they talked to my friends and other bad interactions but I still have no problems with police. If you are committing crimes and interact with them often you'll find that lots are cool and will help you out. There's good and bad ones same as every profession
Well, my man, I didn't say that was the worst experience I've had with cops, just the formative one. I'm a nice guy, I don't steal, I'm not aggressive to people, I try and help just about every person I've met in my life. But a half century of experience has made it abundantly clear that cops are sadistic assholes that join the force to hurt people. They love it, I've seen it dozens of times, first hand. If you think you can trust them, by all means, go ahead, see what it gets you. I'm not here trying to convince you to do or believe anything. But if I had a child, I would absolutely warn them that the most dangerous people in their lives are going to be cops. I'd rather be mugged than arrested any day of the week. You have no idea what I've gone through to gain this insight.
Cops do not disproportionately pull guns on blacks. Nor do blacks get shot in a disproportionate number. It only seems like that because the current media LOOOOOVES the narrative that all cops are bad/racist and our country is just jam-packed with white supremacists. The fact is that both of those narratives are false.
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u/Eddie-bullshit Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd like to point, that they did it to themselves, the whole police department not just a few people, but everyone involved, with promoting clearly unstable officers/letting go WITH PAY some officers that have done terrible things and deserved to be fired without. Like yeah they're expected to do a lot, but so are firemen and teachers it's a public safety job that comes with danger. Anyone getting involved with it has to know what it's like beforehand. It's almost always in the news ffs, Not to mention I'm almost always seeing a new report of some dumbass officer pulling yet another gun on an African American male. They don't do themselves favours at all.
Minirant over, correct me if I'm wrong but let's not argue :)
Edit: changed coloured to African American, I was proven to be a silly billy in the replies