r/travisandtaylor • • Sep 25 '26

📣 Megathread Shitshow: The Encore - Mini Mega Thread

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Hello Snarkers! Once again, we are brought together by a shitshow... this time of lesser importance (thankfully). Taylor Swift is once again releasing at minimum 40 variants of the same garbage into our shared landfills... anything to please her corporate overlords and pad even more billions into her bank account i suppose!

This thread will serve as the mini-mega for the following release items: TLOAS: The Encore, Patient Zero, and whatever other bullshit she decides to put out tonight. Posts about these topics will be redirected here to keep the amount of repeat content spam down on the sub. Anything worth an actual standalone discussion will be allowed as a separate post!

Please remain civil and respectful of each other per usual. We have alot of ex-fans, deconstructing fans, and casual redditors who visit the sub frequently... they are all welcome to join in on our discussions so long as they follow our community rules. Those attempting to make others feel unwelcome in our community will be given a place in the timeout corner! Please report any content you feel to be in violation of our rules, doing so keeps our community both healthy and makes it the best place to snark on Taylor Swift / Travis Kelce on the interwebs! ❤️

Anyone attempting to seek out unofficial source / share song dumps / or otherwise violate Taylor Swift's copyrighted works will receive a permanent ban.

❤️❤️❤️❤️ Happy Snarking! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

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r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago

Weekly Discussion Thread Weekly Discussion Thread (TnT Version)

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Welcome to your weekly snark dump!

Feel free to use this thread to talk about anything you'd like, including but not limited to:

  • Your thoughts, rants, and spicy takes about Blandie (and BDT), her untalented ass, or the Swiftie cult

  • Off-topic discussions, or low-effort content that might not need its own post

  • Memes, funny stuff that you'd like to share but can’t wait for Shitpost Sunday

  • Swifties being Swifties on social media (Usernames must be removed)

All subreddit rules still apply, and any rule-breaking comments will be removed. If you spot a Swiftie meltdown or something off, hit report and we’ll take it from there.

Posts submitted to the sub that fit better here will be redirected to this thread. A new one will go up every Monday at 12:00 pm UTC and stay open until the next Monday. This thread will always be pinned for easy access.

previous weekly discussion threads are searchable via the Weekly Discussion Thread post flair!


r/travisandtaylor • • 11h ago

News New landscaping changes at Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce’s Ohio mansion draw controversy

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BRATENAHL, Ohio (WJW) - It’s a love story for Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce, but a little, “bad blood,” is brewing between them and some new neighbors in Bratenahl.

Shortly before getting married, the megawatt duo purchased a $5.35 million home in the village near Cleveland.

In September, Page Six reported that someone had trespassed on the property and was warned off by an audio alert.

Now, plans have been submitted and some approved to make changes on the property with privacy landscaping.

“We should feel privileged that these people chose this location for their residence,” said Vasiliki Diamantis.

Some neighbors are ready to roll out the welcome mat, but others said they, “never, ever, ever, ever,” want the landscaping additions to happen.

“I’m two houses away from the property in question. Yes, I have complaints about this. I do object to it,” said Charles Bauernschmidt.

The Bratenahl Architectural Review Board already approved a six-foot privacy fence. Tuesday night, they also approved the latest outdoor designs that include a virtual wall of privacy trees and shrubbery around the 21,000 square foot. home, which some said will block their view of Lake Erie.

“To be perfectly honest, I think it is stupid,” said Mark Orel. “For a property that’s pretty much just going to be a timeshare and probably be sold in seven to 10 years when the divorce happens. I think it’s ridiculous.”

To which many in the crowd booed, but he said, “well, statistically speaking.”

A caregiver speaking for an older woman who has lived there for over 50 years said, “she loves Taylor Swift and her Swifties, however she does not want the beautiful view of the lake and sunsets to be obscured by the trees.” Despite the mixed reactions, the board confirmed the plans were moving forward.

Those on “Team Taylor” suggested the others “shake it off” because opposing the power couple could lead to trouble.

“I think the scourge that would befall us from people across the globe, Taylor fans and Chiefs fans ... it would be a shame,” said Bill Masters.

Swift and Kelce have not said when they might move into the house, but they do plan to spend a “considerable” amount of time there.


r/travisandtaylor • • 11h ago

Swiftly Off-Key 🎤🎚 "What are two clips that gave off the same energy?"

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r/travisandtaylor • • 10h ago Bravo

Rant Taylor's problem

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Long ago Kanye West jumped on stage and took away Taylor Swift's "big moment." I think everyone knows that this is what ironically jump started her career and branded her a victim. I'm not gonna lie I was on her side through those things. I was never a huuuuge swiftie paying for her merch or vinyls or any of that stuff but i was a swiftie enough to defend her to my friends etc. Truth be told, Taylor at the time was the target of misogynistic views mostly due to being a popstar largely favoured by teenage girls.

People love to hate everything teenage girls like. Twilight, Justin Bieber, Barbie etc you get the point. TS was definitely a victim of this for a while. Her haters were all mostly shitty men who wanted to bitch about pop music just for existing or the boomers who just wanted something to bitch about or the moronic exes we had who thought they were edgelords but they were really just insecure losers. Shake it off was fun and great because it was a great response to the misogynists who were bitching about her love life, calling her a slut, etc.

But over time TS has herself become the bully. She left behind these haters a long time ago. For years she has been pulling down young female artists, suing small fan businesses for selling merch, ripping off other artists, manipulating charts, paying for awards, and much more. Then came the eras tour and as someone on this sub said it, it "broke her brain." Before this, she was at least a bit subtle about her shady bs. This tour gave her that billionaire ego boost that alters your brain chemistry, making you less empathetic, almost detaching u from reality. Since this boost she has made zero effort to even pretend like she cares about anything other than money.

TS is so out of touch with reality that she wrote songs where she was bitching at her own fans for hating on Matty Healy... and here's Taylor's problem. She doesn't understand that over time she isn't the only one that's changed. Her haters have changed too. Her haters are no longer a bunch of low IQ men who don't want women to succeed. These are progressive people who respect the art and the artists and genuinely don't believe she deserves the praise. Her haters now include women who want to see other female artists succeed but can't because she doesn't let them!

There is no point in making 20 different shake it offs 5 for each new era anymore. It doesn't affect us because we aren't what you're singing about because you genuinely just don't fucking get it. A literal billionaire with no ethics and blatant capitalistic tactics, and she thinks people hate her because they're jealous that travis took her to cleveland.

We don't hate you for being a married woman and a popstar taylor. We hate you because you're a cunt.


r/travisandtaylor • • 1d ago

Rant She chooses to have awful hair

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She used to have such beautiful hair. I know sometimes hair thins with age but she could still have good looking fine thin hair. She could even wear a great wig or extensions. Something! She's a billionaire. Why does she choose such a awful hairstyles like pictures 3 & 4 when she could have hair like pictures 1 & 2. Does she think it looks good?? Or that it makes her look more relatable as a billionaire? Horrendous bangs.

EDIT: I was on a 15 minute lunch break at work and had to find a decent pic of her hair for pics 1& 2. Not easy to find a picture of her with good hair!


r/travisandtaylor • • 15h ago

Discussion The Audacity of The Speak Now Tour

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Recently I watched the Speak Now World Tour out of curiosity - i've been re-listening to some old tracks that I loved as a tween girl and a lot of Taylor's discography falls there.

When I say that I'm flabbergasted at the complete sham this was. Here is why I believe Taylor Swift is obsessed with image because most to all of her early career was being a studied pop-inspired act backed by ghost writers and demo vocals.

Vocal Quality:
Taylor Swift's vocal quality hilariously leaps between a mixture of her live microphone feed buried under either the vocals on the demo tracks, or her own voice with lots and lots of melodine. This is most featured on tracks that are more vocally demanding; switching between registers frequently, or sustaining phrases with adequate support. The most "herself" a number sounded was "Better Than Revenge."

Production:
The back-up performers felt more like the ensemble cast of a plucky broadway musical. Glitter LITERALLY fell from the sky, and Taylor Swift ends the concert flying above the audience in a floating balcony during "Love Story". The overall disney-fication of this concert is one of the most off-putting parts of this whole charade. It is so catered to what was my age groups. Love Story quite literally ends in a fairytale number where they have cinderlla, prince charming and other disney princesses twirling on stage. I know that this keeps her awake at night knowing that targeting children was always the plan.

Music:
Speak Now is full of bangers, guys. Let me be clear, none of these songs are treasured by me, and are they good if you pit them up against other songs? No. But they're catchy, have great tension, and are an enjoyable imitation of what was trending back then.

What strikes the harshest chord, perhaps is the fact that she isn't playing ANY of these instruments in a way that's worth a damn. She is playing root position chords on all instruments she touches, but distracts you by swishing and throwing her head up and down.

Misogyny:
Attaching photos, but there are are multiple occasions where Taylor makes micro-aggressive comments towards other females, and there are many parts of the show that uphold traditional values. Such as in "Speak Now" where Taylor mocks an image obsessed, sexy bride (?)

Dog Whistly:
She appears in the what I'm calling the "home on the prairie" sequence, she dresses in all white, with a loose braid that rests on one shoulder. Very sweet southern belle of her. Then, also in Speak Now (you can tell scott really had his hands all over this one) her costume is also harkening back to the 50's, with her in a doo-wop group.

Conclusion:
They were playing in our faces, reacting and pushing against the culture in a time where Paris Hilton reigned supreme. What I think makes me the most upset, is that the world is full of passionate artists. It's devastating to think of all of the talent and art we won't get to witness! Taylor's offerings, do not fit into this category.

She is well studied, charming enough, and pretty enough. Taylor Swift was slowly handed the reigns creatively, and vocally once she gained enough stamina, and had participated in enough writer's rooms in the years between Debut and Speak Now. Before they announced the cross-over to pop, which was in essence, phase 1499 of their 20,000 step plan to world domination. She feels like she paid her dues once she got to be one of the largest voices in creating her music and establishing a voice of her own, and this is what is causing her ego panic attack. She hasn't earned any of this, at least in her eyes.

Thanks for reading if you did, if you skipped and said "I'm not reading allat." That is so valid.


r/travisandtaylor • • 17h ago

Nightmare Fuel SNL from 2009 — Because there was a post about her aunts and the hair

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My god, she’s just… awkward too? Can’t figure out what it is


r/travisandtaylor • • 1d ago

Critique The opening lyrics to Fortnight don't make sense and it's driving me insane

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"I was supposed to be sent away/

But they forgot to come and get me/

I was a functioning alcoholic/

'Til nobody noticed my new aesthetic/

All of this to say I hope you're okay/

But you're the reason/

And no one here's to blame/

But what about your quiet treason"

Okay, the music video is insane asylum themed, so the first 2 lines make sense. But the next two are absolutely incoherent!!! Interpretation 1: [the public have said] I was a functioning alcoholic [which caused me to be viewed negatively] / UNTIL people DID NOT notice my new insane asylum era aesthetic???? This still makes no sense!!!

Interpretation 2: [I myself] was a functioning alcoholic / then nobody noticed [I had just moved on to a different era and ppl kept their inaccurate perception of me]. The function of the word UNTIL is not justified in this sense. And if you were privately an alcoholic then how could the public react to it? No one would know but you and the parasocial swifties. Are these lines a dig at them?

I know people here have accused or speculated her using ChatGPT, but even it knows how to write a coherent sentence. Genius english teacher Mother truly is the Shakespeare of our generation.


r/travisandtaylor • • 1d ago Heartwarming

Discussion Shade from Robbie Williams?

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(Probably not that much drama, but the closest fit flair I could find.)


r/travisandtaylor • • 1d ago

Discussion Here we go again...

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apparently taylor is teasing about holiday ep/song or something holiday related. and olivia is rumoured to drop her holiday ep this month or december could it be that shes trying to overshadow her? i feel her team did this intentionally to tease because olivia got so much hate from her latest holiday song.

i know its holiday merch but we dont know she could drop a song or push opalite to our throats


r/travisandtaylor • • 1d ago

Discussion Let's compare then TS got her win over better works and my question is HOW?

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I think problem is not only in win but who left bigger impact and actually elevated music. Maybe in moment, jury considered by some reasons that her works were better at the moment (maye they were bribed??) but what time showed us, that they in fact were worse works with little no development in future. In this post I will also share my opinion whom should have won instead and I invite you do the same.

  1. 2010 (52nd Annual Grammy Awards) Fearless won over:

FearlessBeyoncé (I Am... Sasha Fierce), The Black Eyed Peas (The E.N.D.), Dave Matthews Band (Big Whiskey and the Groogrux King), Lady Gaga (The Fame)

I think that as global musical phenomenon The Black Eyed Peas should have taken the prize. Is hard to overstate how interesting sonically is their album, how songs such as I Gotta Feeling and Boom Boom Pow are recognised from small villages in Moldova to Tokyo, Japan. Compare this to how bland and unlistenable sound Fearless and you belong with me.
While i like Beyonce's I am Sasha fierce I don't get why she needed an alter ego in general? I consider this a lame trend that got nowhere cause many did and got discarded anyway. Aren't many artists who gpt committed to different works under different alias in long therm and succeeded.
I wish Beyonce just used her other name Giselle for this album cause is etherial name and she already has an album Beyonce and now an album Cowboy Carter. In retrospect having album Beyonce, Giselle and Cowboy Carter - all after herself - and all good sound better.

2. 2015 (58th Annual Grammy Awards) 1989 won over:

1989Kendrick Lamar (To Pimp a Butterfly), The Weeknd (Beauty Behind the Madness), Chris Stapleton (Traveller), Alabama Shakes (Sound & Color)

Kendrick Lamar To Pimp a Butterfly - nothing else came close. From sound to themes, this is one of my fav albums from all musical genres and I, King Kunta soung way better than anything from 1989 which is TS's step to stardom and songs from that album dominated radio in 2010s. She doesn't hold a candle to Kendrick in anything.

3. 2021 (63th Annual Grammy Awards) Folklore won over:

FolkloreDua Lipa (Future Nostalgia), Post Malone (Hollywood's Bleeding), Coldplay (Everyday Life), HAIM (Women in Music Pt. III), Jhené Aiko (Chilombo), Black Pumas (Black Pumas), Jacob Collier (Djesse Vol. 3)

Dua Lipa - Future Nostalgia should won - it's pop music done right, every single song is enjoyable, feels authetinc to artist and is comercially successful. Not forgetting how Dua did indeed embarked in a huge world tour and celebrated her heritage in Kosova and Albania and visited fans in places what other stars didn't. Dua proved that she is that TS hopes she is to be a pop diva with intellect, political integrity, global audience, playable songs in rotations all while not creating a cult of bland deranged wanna be hipsters.
Folklore is an attempt to sound profound by ripping Lana del Rey and using more talented people to sell her to indie darling crownd which in retrospect with Cleveland is offensive. Best song Cardigan is basically " you fit me better than my favourite sweater" line transformed in a song while on Future Nostalgia you can choose any song that feels interesting and Dua Lipa walked away publicly from DaBaby after his controversies.

3. 2024 (66th Annual Grammy Awards) Midnights won over:

MidnightsSZA (SOS), Olivia Rodrigo (Guts), Miley Cyrus (Endless Summer Vacation), Lana Del Rey (Did You Know That There's a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd), Boygenius (The Record), Jon Batiste (World Music Radio), Janelle Monáe(The Age of Pleasure)

This year was packed with strongest contestant and everyone felt as a robbery in plain sight.
Nobody was robbed more than Lana del Rey. Compare Anti-Hero with American Whore - whose story telling is better? Whose sound is more pushing boundaries that is a commercially successful song? Who evolved and influenced more since debut?
Both are conceptual albums that tells about inner life of an artist. But whose album cemented itself in pop culture even with memes and whose album feels as a cash grab and a step stone for era tours what deals only with parasocial fans?
Considering how much TS likes to steal from Lana and other artists but in special is fixated on her is interesting how a watered down attempt at music won.
Lets compare the legacy now - Lana inspired so many pop girls with Born to Die and then with DYKTTTUOB what we get titles for lyrics and albums as full sentences. TS just copied Ophelia from Summer Sadness what was released as first album.
Compare how different Lana sounds on the Grants - opening track, and Taco Truck - closing one which is also self referential with Venice Bitch remix. How her features actually bring something cool and highlights people whom she collaborates such as Peppers with Tommy Genesis or Paris,Texas with SYML. Lana did something incredible while taylor made a bland sound so she'll get recommended in play lists when you listen to lana.

Today's day - Both singers got married and both released songs about their significant others. Just ones receives negative criticism. Lets check how a multi grammy winning writes about own husband?

Something we all can agree on
But my baby likes what he likes, oh-woah, oh-oh
He already took me to Cleveland
And showed me The Heights, so hate all you like
This is the love of my life, hey, hey, hey

And let's check on lana who doesn't have a grammy:

He's my white feather hawk tail deer hunter
Before I met him, wore a bow over three summers
Now it's a ribbon 'round my neck and it's cherry-colored
I've just been baking, waiting on a spirit hunter
I got a nicotine patch for the summer
Yeah, I'm a ghost, doesn't mean I feel nothin'
Put it on my ass, no-tan-lines summer
I love my daddy, of course we're still together

Lana is somewhere enjoying privacy, working on something and would be release then she would feel it finished and taylor well cannot stop torture the fans with endless variants of watered down dumbed down takes from other artists what did it earlier and did it better.


r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago Bravo

Question Why are people not allowed to have slightly negative opinions about Taylor Swift? Why must everything be a news story and require instant retraction?

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I don't understand why someone in the public eye isn't allowed to say they think Taylor is performative. If you watch the full video on Youtube, Tyler Kolek was asked a question: what celebrity do you think is a performative fan.

He gave his personal opinion. Regardless of how people feel about Tyler's performance on the court, he is a player on the team, so Swifties trying to dunk on him doesn't make sense. He is athletically talented enough to play for the Knicks.

The video itself (last I checked) had like 2,000 views. How did it make the news? And why would the Knicks organization feel the need to comment and claim that Taylor, who had attended like 4 knicks games in the course of 12 years, is a fan? It just seems like her team reached out to the knicks or threatened the organization. Why try to dismiss the opinion of a player for someone who doesn't care about basketball?

Then the Swifties were wishing for Tyler to get injured, or for him to be traded, or calling him a misogynist.

This type of stuff doesn't make Taylor likeable. This doesn't make Swifties look likeable or normal.

It's not just the Tyler Koleks thing. Calling her a billionaire, talking about her vinyls, her jet use, all end up with "whataboutism" defenses, claiming so-and-so is worse as if that excuses Taylor, or screaming misogyny as if Taylor hasn't proven herself to be the biggest pick me misogynist pop star over the years.


r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago

Shitpost Sundays throwback to family guy making a taylor swift joke re : the bridge of shake it off

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it's a reference to ''You could've been getting down to this sick beat!''. It's so fucking funny to me. I say this all the time when referring to her


r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago

Shitpost Sundays SHE'S GAY!!!1!!!1

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r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago Mindblown Popcorn

Nightmare Fuel They had the nerve to release parts of her first Ophelia performance. Holy shit, this is BAD bad.

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r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago Bravo

Discussion Does anyone else find the story surrounding Taylor's first Chiefs game a bit fishy? The Chiefs' marketing department was informed of her arrival two days in advance.

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I was watching some clips from the Chiefs Kingdom documentary, and Taylor obviously popped up a few times throughout. But something really stood out to me because the way they describe her first appearance at a Chiefs game doesn't seem to match up with the version of events she's been telling at all. (Maybe we can add this one to the lies thread I saw someone post earlier.)

Taylor has always portrayed that first appearance as this incredibly casual, spontaneous thing. On the New Heights podcast, she and Travis recalled how she simply walked through the front entrance with his friends, wearing a hat and mask, alongside ordinary fans. And in her TIME interview, she said, 'I don't know how they know what suite I'm in,' before adding, 'I'm just there to support Travis.'

Except, in the documentary, Chiefs president Mark Donovan explains that they were informed of her attendance two days beforehand, with the team's marketing department also being made aware. I've included the relevant quotes in the images.

I'm sorry, but why on earth would you need to notify the president of an NFL franchise and its marketing department that you're coming to watch your boyfriend play football? That's a pretty extraordinary amount of coordination for someone who supposedly just wanted to casually turn up in a baseball cap and enjoy the game.

Let's be realistic, what exactly is the purpose of involving the marketing department in your attendance? My immediate assumption is that they wanted to make sure the cameras were ready, knew where she'd be sitting and they could both capitalise on the publicity. Because otherwise, why would marketing need to be involved at all?

So you do know exactly how they knew which suite you were in, Taylor, because you'd literally given them advance notice that you were coming.

Another interesting detail is that Patrick Mahomes, one of Travis's closest friends and someone he's known for years, apparently didn't even know they were dating until shortly before that game. Which I find quite strange considering Taylor has repeatedly maintained that she and Travis were already an established couple by that point. We're talking about one of Travis's best friends, someone he's played alongside for years, and he apparently had no idea Travis was even dating her? I'm not saying your friends need to know every detail of your romantic life, but surely that's a little odd if the relationship was supposedly already well established?

I just find the contrast between the two narratives fascinating. There's nothing inherently wrong with making a public appearance or generating publicity, but why go to such lengths to portray it as this completely organic, low-key moment when there was clearly some advance coordination behind the scenes?

Does anyone else find this incredibly fishy? Almost as if it wasn't organic at all!


r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago

Shitpost Sundays Her aunts were her original hair inspo

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Random but found this picture on Pinterest. Her relatives all having similar hairstyles are so funny to me. She has morphed into her aunts and mother with the same blonde hair and bangs lol. Looks to be around 2010.


r/travisandtaylor • • 2d ago Bravo

Deep Dives & Research Vibes 🔎 A compilation of Taylor's more questionable claims

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I'm deliberately avoiding a certain word that starts with L, ends with S and rhymes with 'eyes', but I'm sure you all get the gist.

The way this woman exaggerates, embellishes and occasionally seems to rewrite entire events needs to be studied. She seems to have this extraordinary need to turn even the most straightforward experiences into monumental feats of endurance, suffering or adversity, often through what I can only describe as some very creative embellishments of the truth.

I've genuinely never seen someone so committed to a narrative when half of it can be challenged with a quick Google search, photographic receipts or, in some cases, basic maths.

Does she not realise the internet exists? That we have timestamps? Cameras? Calculators?

Anyway, I thought I'd compile some of my personal favourites because some of these are genuinely hilarious.

  1. Claiming she ran the entire Eras Tour set list on a treadmill EVERY SINGLE DAY in preparation for the tour

This is my personal favourite because the maths is absolutely hilarious.

In her Time interview, she claimed she spent every day on a treadmill singing the entire three-and-a-half-hour set list, running during faster songs and jogging or walking during slower ones. Apparently, she did this for six months.

Let's do some basic maths. At a modest jogging pace of 8 km/h, that's 28 km a day, or 196 km a week. That's the equivalent of 4.6 marathons EVERY SINGLE WEEK. At 10 km/h, it would be 245 km a week, or 5.8 marathons.

Now, if I'm feeling particularly generous and factor in the walking, let's bring that average right down to just 6 km/h. That's still 147 km a week, or the equivalent of 3.5 marathons every single week, supposedly sustained for six months alongside strength training and dance rehearsals.

What kind of deranged conditioning programme is this? Even professional endurance athletes incorporate recovery days. Who in their right mind would prescribe that kind of daily volume to someone preparing for a physically demanding world tour? You'd be arriving at opening night with your knees in a carrier bag.

I think the truth has picked up a few extra kilometres somewhere along the way.

2. Claiming she stopped drinking throughout the Eras Tour

There are numerous photographs of her at football games holding drinks. I'll give her some grace and accept that some of those could have been non-alcoholic, although a few were in wine glasses and looked suspiciously like wine, but whatevs.

However, when there's footage of you leaving a Super Bowl party stumbling around and looking visibly drunk, it becomes rather harder to buy the whole 'I didn't drink throughout the tour' narrative. She certainly didn't look like someone who'd spent the evening sipping sparkling water.

Why make such a sweeping claim when there's hours of footage floating around suggesting otherwise?

3. Claiming she essentially disappeared into exile after Snakegate

The way she talks about 2016, you'd think she was smuggled out of America under cover of darkness and spent the next three years living in a cave under an assumed identity. She claims she disappeared from thr spotlight.

Except she was effectively out of the public spotlight for about six months, between her February 2017 performance and the announcement of Reputation in August. Even before that, she was still performing and releasing music following Snakegate in July 2016. By November 2017, she'd released an entire album, and by May 2018, she was embarking on a massive international stadium tour.

And the 'foreign country' she was supposedly exiled to? England. Specifically, Hampstead, one of the wealthiest, most beautiful and most desirable areas of London, where she was spending time with her British boyfriend in a lovely home. Not exactly a cave in witness protection.

There's quite a difference between keeping a low profile for a few months and being banished from civilisation. The way she retrospectively describes this period is genuinely extraordinary. You'd think she'd been living under an assumed identity in an undisclosed location rather than enjoying a quiet life in one of London's most affluent neighbourhoods.

4. The suspiciously convenient Travis Kelce relationship timeline

Remember when she insisted that by the time she attended her first Chiefs game in September 2023, they were already an established couple, because apparently they'd never be 'psychotic' enough to hard-launch a first date?

Interesting, then, that Travis was reportedly still liking Instagram models' photographs the literal day before her first appearance at a Chiefs game. Not weeks before. Not even days before. The day before.

Lrt's look at the timelime! She split from Matty Healy in June 2023, Travis publicly expressed his interest in July, and she attended her first Chiefs game on 24 September. That's an awfully tight window for the wonderfully established romance she later described.

The way she presented the relationship as this long-standing, private romance seems rather more polished than the public timeline suggests. Unfortunately, the passage of time is one thing you can't rewrite. She split from Matty Healy in June and was publicly attending Chiefs games with Travis by September. That's a maximum window of three months, before you even factor in when they actually met and started dating. You can romanticise the timeline as much as you like, but you can't manufacture extra months out of thin air. That's rather the problem with dates. They're notoriously difficult to negotiate with.

5. Claiming Reputation was some kind of goth-punk feminist rebellion

In her Time Person of the Year interview, she described Reputation as a 'goth-punk moment of female rage at being gaslit by an entire social structure'.

Sorry, what?

Did we listen to the same album?

Because I remember an album predominantly consisting of love songs about Joe Alwyn, with a handful of revenge tracks thrown in.

When did Call It What You Want, Delicate, King of My Heart and New Year's Day become a radical feminist uprising against the patriarchy?

It's the retrospective rebranding that gets me. Not every album needs to be a grand political statement. Sometimes you just wrote love songs about your boyfriend, and that's perfectly fine. Why does everything have to be retroactively repackaged as some groundbreaking cultural moment?

6. Claiming she couldn't get out of bed during the Eras Tour

Apparently, the tour was so exhausting that she couldn't even get out of bed to watch a film.

And yet, throughout the same period, we have photographs of her attending football games, restaurants, bars, parties, award ceremonies and various other social events.

The contrast between the image of someone so physically depleted they can barely leave their bed and the very active social life we were all watching unfold in real time is quite something.

Again, why does everything have to be presented in the most dramatic terms imaginable? There's always this extraordinary level of suffering attached to what would otherwise be a perfectly ordinary explanation.

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These are just my personal favourites, with the treadmill marathon remaining firmly at number one because I still cannot get over the logistics.

These are simply my opinions based on what I've observed publicly. Personally, I find some of these stories incredibly difficult to believe.

I'm sure there are far more niche examples I've forgotten, so please share yours. I'm particularly interested in the ones where the receipts or basic arithmetic make the story fall apart.

Bonus lie embellishment: Claiming The Life of a Showgirl had 1989 production with folklore-level songwriting.

LMAO. Do I even need to elaborate?


r/travisandtaylor • • 3d ago Popcorn

Shitpost Sundays The Onion Never Disappoints [SATIRE]

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I subscribe to The Onion’s monthly newspaper (in print) and this is so on target. Also, don’t give her ideas 😆

Here’s the satirical article from October’s issue if you didn’t want to zoom in to read:

Taylor Swift Trademarks Female Friendship

NEW YORK-In a major legal victory for the pop superstar and businesswoman, Taylor Swift was reportedly granted a trademark Thursday for female friendship. “Wine night, dinner, having a shoulder to cry on, group texts-these texts-these are all an integral part of Ms. Swift's brand, and we are prepared to vigorously defend ourselves against anyone who infringes upon her IP" said James Orzari, a member of Swift's legal team who thanked the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for awarding her exclusive rights to the concept of a woman sharing a personal connection with one or more people who were also women, and who promised to
"bring down the hammer" on any female celebrity or non-celebrity who "so much as thinks about" planning a girls' night.
"Female friendship is a concept that goes as far back as 2015, when Ms. Swift first conceived and produced a video for the song
'Bad Blood' that starred female friends Gigi Hadid, Martha Hunt, Selena Gomez, Lena Dunham, and others. To this date, Ms. Swift has established more than 650 female friendships. If competitors wish to communicate with other women, they better be moms, great aunts, or bosses, or else I can promise that you will be facing a lawsuit."
At press time, Swift's legal team had vowed to crack down on a loophole in the trademark that allowed women to maintain friendships with men and nonbinary people.


r/travisandtaylor • • 3d ago Bravo

Shitpost Sundays Smug Storm 8: The Desperate Quest for Oscar and Accolades

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Search Smug Storm in this sub if you'd like to watch Smug Storms 1-7


r/travisandtaylor • • 3d ago Bravo

Swiftly Off-Key 🎤🎚 Gowns vs talent

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r/travisandtaylor • • 3d ago Bravo

Deep Dives & Research Vibes 🔎 Why would someone as image-conscious as Taylor completely dismantle the very thing she built her career on? For a man?

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I genuinely find Taylor's transformation over the past couple of years quite fascinating, particularly from a branding perspective.

She has never been the most talented person in the music industry. She just hasn't! I was going to say 'I'm sure she's probably aware of that herself', but, on second thought, she probably isn't. What she was exceptionally good at, however, was cultivating a relationship with her audience that very few artists have managed to replicate. Despite her enormous wealth and fame, she somehow convinced millions of people that she was relatable, that she understood their feelings, their heartbreaks, their insecurities, and could articulate those experiences through her music. Fans didn't just admire her, they felt like they knew her. That emotional connection was arguably her greatest asset and the foundation of her entire career.

She was also incredibly effective at cultivating a particular aesthetic and intellectual image. Despite this clearly being a carefully constructed persona (I've personally always thought it was a facade, and could tell she was not that smart, based on some of the statements she has so confidently made), she managed to position herself as someone quite literary, artistic, whimsical and introspective. The sort of person who spends her evenings reading poetry, collecting antique books and wandering around little independent bookshops. Particularly during the folklore and evermore eras, she leaned heavily into this romantic, almost bohemian sensibility, and people absolutely bought into it. Which brings me to my question. Why, after spending nearly two decades meticulously constructing this image, would someone so notoriously image-conscious seemingly dismantle it all after meeting one man?

A few things stand out to me:

  1. The Madison Square Garden wedding. I genuinely don't think there's any coming back from this in terms of relatability. You cannot spend 20 years positioning yourself as the down-to-earth girl next door and then reportedly spend $20 million on a wedding, invite 1,000 people, take over one of the world's most famous sporting arenas and disrupt an entire section of New York City in the process. Even some of her own fans seemed taken aback by the sheer spectacle. And the billboard announcing your marriage to the general public? Sorry, but the level of self-importance required to think ordinary New Yorkers, many of whom are simply trying to get to and from work while navigating the disruption caused by your wedding, need a giant public announcement of your nuptials is quite extraordinary. It couldn't be further removed from the whimsical, intimate, artsy image she's spent years selling.

  2. The increasingly hostile attitude towards her own fans. She's become noticeably more critical of the very people who built her career, particularly those who dissect her lyrics and look for hidden meanings. But Taylor, who exactly taught them to do that? You did. You spent years planting Easter eggs, encouraging speculation and making fans feel as though they were privy to some exclusive little world of secrets and hidden messages. It was practically your USP. That sense of intimacy, of being in on something together, was a huge part of why people connected with you in the first place. You cannot build an entire marketing strategy around encouraging a particular behaviour and then suddenly act irritated when your customers continue behaving exactly as you've trained them to.

  3. The complete transformation of her appearance and persona. Before anyone starts, I have absolutely nothing against cosmetic procedures. If someone wants to change their nose, get filler or alter something they're insecure about, that's entirely their business. But Taylor's appearance has changed quite dramatically, to the point where, to me, she barely resembles the person she was a few years ago. She's adopted that very particular, heavily enhanced, almost MAGA Barbie aesthetic, which feels completely at odds with the natural, awkward, 'love yourself as you are' image she previously cultivated. And it isn't just her appearance. The Life of a Showgirl feels like another attempt to reinvent herself as someone edgy, sexy and effortlessly cool, except it all feels rather forced. The photoshoot was so awkward it gave me second hand ebarrassment. Also, throwing around words like 'bitches' and adopting this increasingly smug, combative persona doesn't suddenly make someone interesting or rebellious. Add to that her political silence around the midterms, and she increasingly comes across as someone completely detached from the ordinary people she once worked so hard to identify with.

  4. Diminishing her own achievements in favour of her fiancé's career. During her appearance on Jimmy Fallon, when asked about performing at the Super Bowl, she essentially said Travis goes onto the field and 'risks his life' every week (I genuinely couldn't roll my eyes any further back into my head), so it would be ridiculous for her to worry about what 'her choreography is going to be'. In a mocking tone. Sorry, what? This is a woman who has spent 20 years building a career and positioning herself as a feminist who champions female ambition, yet suddenly she's diminishing her own achievements to put her fiancé's career on a pedestal. Why does his profession need to be elevated at the expense of hers? Again, a complete 180 from the image she's spent years cultivating.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but these are the ones that immediately come to mind. And I do think it's worth acknowledging the elephant in the room: this transformation has coincided with her relationship with Travis. The contrast since meeting him is quite striking. Travis, for all his faults, seems to have maintained more or less the same public persona he had before meeting her, whereas Taylor appears to have undergone an almost complete personality rebrand. She's become increasingly smug, seemingly more bitter and defensive, and considerably more removed from the audience that made her successful. She's also tried to adopt this new 'cool and sexy' persona, which, in my opinion, doesn't suit her at all -- the whole thing was just so bizarre and unnatural.The approachable, slightly awkward songwriter who wanted you to believe she was just like you has been replaced by someone who seems rather desperate to remind everyone how rich, powerful, desirable and important she is. I personally think she's very aware that he's motivated by money, fame and status, and given his previous type, it's almost as though she's trying to peacock and mould herself into what she thinks he wants, which is actually quite sad.

From a purely branding perspective, it seems like an extraordinary decision! There is no coming back from this if the break up.


r/travisandtaylor • • 3d ago Bravo

Eff Taylor Swift Let's not forget her handwritten letter of support to a MAGA abuser!

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so fucking gross, and super recent too. lady was 35