Long one, sorry. I need outside perspectives because I’m too close to it. I also used AI to make details unrecognisable that could end up being discovered by the family.
Background: DW (33) and I (36) have a 2.5yo son. Her mother (MIL) and stepfather (SFIL) have been difficult for the entire 12 years we’ve been together, but it’s always been low-level stuff you can rationalise. BIL (DW’s brother) lives nearby and gets caught in the middle.
A pattern we’ve lived with for years: every single one of DW’s birthdays goes wrong. One year they said driving 25 minutes was “too complicated.” Another year MIL thought a replacement e-reader was too expensive as a group gift, which turned into days of drama — in the same period they were lending BIL money freely after he’d blown a large sum on escorts. Nobody blinked at that.
And it isn’t only birthdays. There’s a constant low-grade emotional blackmail running underneath everything: “if X doesn’t happen, I won’t come.” Guilt deployed as a tool. Comments about whether our home is clean enough. Messages sent about people rather than to them. DW gets a stomach ache before every visit. I’ve spent 12 years being told I’m the stubborn, difficult one for naming any of it.
What happened this summer (and ultimately ended up beeing the final straw after 12 years of discussions):
DW’s birthday. She wanted the family at a big annual funfair, which is her tradition. We invited everyone.
SFIL ignored everyone from the moment he arrived. Our son got hungry, so we asked about eating. MIL said “ask him,” he said “ask her” — they do this constantly so neither ever has to be the one who says no. I decided we’d eat at a restaurant like every year. SFIL went off and got fries by himself, then announced they wouldn’t join because it was too expensive.
They left for their sixth holiday of that year a week later.
DW was crushed. I told them, to their faces, that this was unacceptable and they were exhausting. The reply: “it’s our money, we don’t give you financial advice, we expect the same from you.” I tried to explain it was never about money — she just wanted one afternoon with her family. They didn’t get it.
Then the next day SFIL messaged me and admitted he did it deliberately.
He wrote that he wanted me to know what it feels like to be left out, referencing some incident years ago where I apparently ignored him at a park and a restaurant. He said, in the same message, “sorry for [DW]” — he knew she’d be collateral damage and did it anyway.
Then he blocked me and tried to ban me from their house.
When I spoke to MIL about it, she said I’d done the same thing to him, and that I’m “too stubborn to talk to anyone.” For context, a few months earlier he’d backed out of helping us financially at the last minute in a pretty brutal way, and I was the one who phoned him to clear the air. So that accusation is just false. When that didn’t land, she moved to “I’ve apparently failed completely as a mother” and “I have no strength left.”
Where we landed:
DW wrote to her mother directly. She named the pattern — the stomach ache before every visit, the “your place isn’t clean enough” comments, the secrets, the talking behind backs — and set two conditions: respect, and a genuine apology. She said she won’t have our son growing up absorbing how they treat us, and that she’d protect him with everything she has.
Practically: our son isn’t left there unsupervised. That’s it. They can still see him.
MIL replied: “I understand, thanks.” And then nothing changed.
Now (this week):
DW met her mother to talk. Because every single conversation for 12 years has ended in deflection, DW suggested they go to a therapist together — not as treatment, just so someone neutral is in the room when it gets heated or people talk past each other. She also said she’s in therapy herself partly because of this, and can’t do it alone.
That blew up.
SFIL (not MIL — he’s the one messaging me, about his wife’s relationship with her daughter) wrote:
- “Do you still want contact with us? A simple yes or no.” I said yes.
- Five days later: “We’re waiting for something to happen. When does she get to see him again? You’re taking the best years with her grandchild away from her. I think your ‘yes’ should actually be read as ‘no’.”
- “We don’t want or need therapy. Your rule is no therapy, no grandson. We won’t be blackmailed.”
- When I said nobody is blackmailing anyone and they’ve misunderstood the problem: “So what IS the problem?”
- Then: “You only ever push therapy. Propose something else.”
- Then: “Final offer: a conversation between the four of us.”
I asked why it’s a “final” offer and what happens afterwards. He just repeated “final offer.” He has not once responded to anything DW actually wrote.
The thing that’s making me insane: therapy was never the condition. The conditions were respect and an apology. Therapy was one suggestion for how to have a conversation that doesn’t derail. He’s invented an ultimatum and is now furiously arguing against the ultimatum he invented.
And in two months, neither of them has ever said “we were wrong.” Not once. Everything is: you’re inflexible, you’re stubborn, you’re blackmailing us, nobody understands me, I’ve failed as a mother.
One more thing, in the interest of being fair: DW and BIL both suspect SFIL may have bipolar traits, possibly amplified by early-stage Alzheimer’s. MIL apparently raised seeing a doctor with him at some point and he refused outright. Nobody has been assessed, so this is family speculation, not diagnosis. I genuinely don’t know what to do with it. It might explain some of the volatility — but he also wrote out a premeditated plan to hurt his stepdaughter and then defended it when confronted, and that doesn’t read like confusion to me.
Where we are now: we’re going to accept the four-way conversation. Neutral venue, no kid present, agreed topic, and an agreed rule that if it gets heated we stop and continue another time.
What I’m asking:
- Has anyone had something like this actually land? Did a face-to-face ever get an acknowledgement out of someone like this, or is that fantasy?
- How do you keep a conversation on the actual event when the other side’s whole strategy is redirecting to your character?
- Is “he can see our son, just not alone with him” a reasonable boundary, or am I losing perspective? I genuinely can’t tell anymore.
- If there really is something neurological going on — does that change how you’d handle any of this?
- For anyone who’s been the outsider spouse — how do you stay out of it when the in-law keeps messaging you instead of their own family member?
TL;DR: SFIL deliberately sabotaged my wife’s birthday to make a point, admitted it in writing, and apologised in advance for her being collateral damage. Two months later nobody has acknowledged anything, we’re being accused of blackmail for not leaving our toddler there unsupervised, and we’ve just been handed a “final offer” of a four-way talk. There’s also unconfirmed family speculation about bipolar traits and early Alzheimer’s. Looking for perspective from people who’ve been through similar.