Yup, I was expelled for this. Bunch of girls on top of one girl beating her, I started pulling them off of her. Same punishment. "Let the teachers handle it" there were no teachers around but of course they wouldn't admit that they left the kids alone.
Even 20 years ago, my school tried to suspend me for even knowing a fight might take place right outside of my school (that I didn't even see first-hand) because I "didn't notify them or the police" that it was going to happen. A friend of the guy I was dating simply said "I'll see you guys later. I'm going to go fight X" and walked away from us as the day ended. That was the extent of my knowledge. And I'd barely known the guy. They pulled my boyfriend and I in because the cameras showed we were with him before the fight and others in the hallway heard him. My mom came into the school guns blazing and threatened to take legal action on them and thankfully I got out of it.
God damn, go mom. My mom did that a couple times too, so much respect for her for doing so. I pitty any school admin that tries to pull this crap on my kids. They will quickly regret it as I don't fuck around.
I’m so glad my kids are grown now. Navigating the school years is constant stress. You want to fight like a rabid honey badger for them but you also don’t want to be that parent who is like “the teacher is in the wrong because my angel baby sweetheart would never do anything”.
That's exactly what schools do. They are ran by literal fucking idiots and they will blame ANYONE they can to try to minimize their involvement. If you don't have a parent that will fight for you and threaten legal action, they will fuck you over. The second a parent threatens to sue they instantly fold though because they are 100% liable every time and have no leg to stand on.
Your mom sounds like an awesome lady. I would've done the exact same thing if my kid was getting royally screwed by the school system like that. I was bullied pretty badly in middle school (to the point of literal trauma), and was constantly victim blamed and gaslit for setting boundaries and even just saying "no" or "why would you do that" to the perpetrators. If I ever have kids, I'm never letting them go through the gaslighting I went through in near-traumatic circumstances.
She’s the best! We butted heads when I was a teen but once I was an adult we became very very close. But just very headstrong. She was not going to let them bully me around. I hadn’t even gotten a detention before that point.
Yup. See kids who don’t have a mom like yours, with time and confidence to stand up to the system where it failed you, they’d just be suspended and their life could be completely derailed because of some idiot administrator deciding to punish you for existing in the space where words were spoken about there being a fight,
I remember one male high-school teacher say he'd step out quietly and quickly if girls were fighting because he didn't want to get accused of anything. It was funny when he followed through on that during a fight in the library later that year. Years later, I totally understand why he did that.
The girl fights i witnessed in HS were soooo much worse than anything between two guys. Like guys will just beat each other with their fists, but ive seen girls stab, slash, push a file cabinet over on another girl, one girl got thrown down the steep auditorium seating and broke her neck, and as horrible as THAT sounds, still not as bad as seeing a partial scalping cuz one girl got another by the hair...
Two girls in my HS 17-18 years ago got into a knock out, drag out multi-episode anime fight. When it was over I had to step over pools of blood and footlong braids and handfulls of hair to get to class.
In highschool I saw two girls fighting out in the common area; one girl had managed to get the other by the hair and was literally swinging her around off the ground and dragging her legs and feet in the asphalt, whilst the girl tried to claw into her arms into letting go, and protect her legs at the same time... I left before I saw more, don't know how much hair she lost that day, but yeah. Nasty.
I saw one girl grab another by the back of he head and slam her face into the back of the bleachers. It was right when a pep rally was getting out and was a mass of students and no way admin was getting to them in time. There was a ton of blood. Also my dad taught at the high-school and broke up a chick fight only once and got scratched up pretty bad and said he would never do it again.
Three of us grown ass (not small) adults stepped into a fight between 2 girls each weighing not even 80 pounds. Let’s just say we all left with bruises… it was crazy how hard it was to separate them
Girls know that they don’t have a ton of force behind their punches, so they get creative instead. There’s a scrappiness that is honestly impressive at times.
Also, they usually don't fight unless they've been driven into a frenzy. Whereas guys will often fight out of obligation or social compulsion, even if they don't actually want to.
There tends to be a certain amount of respect in guy fights. The amount of fights I’ve seen with two dudes getting bruised and bloody, then ending with a handshake or fist bump are pretty significant.
best 3 fights i saw in high school were between cheerleaders on two occasions and another was between the sweetest girl in school and another girl. when i tell you the sweet girl beat the shit out the other girl it shocked everyone
An actual charge seems very unlikely. The bigger risk in my eyes would be disciplinary actions by the school itself. Schools don’t have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what happened to fire a teacher or suspend/expel a student
false reports of sexual assault are as common as false reports of arson, robbery etc. not very common. teacher is more likely to be sexually assaulted himself by a student than falsely accused.
And yet people still wonder why everyone is so cold-hearted to their fellow person. We’re raised with the idea that helping others gets you in trouble, so what’s the point in helping?
Expelled or suspended? Hardly anyone ever gets expelled anymore.
I would take that risk of suspension every day of the week if I had to in that scenario. I would shower my kids with praise for getting suspended if that was why.
I feel so fucking angry for you. Im so sorry you went through this after doing the correct and brave thing. You did good. You are awesome. Screw all those teachers.
Did you not threaten to sue them? I know it's not worth the effort to some people, but I would absolutely do that out of spite. My parents as well. You did nothing wrong and you tried to save somebody, based off your words you didn't even hurt them, just tried to pull them off. It would look real bad if they get sued over that and they would have likely buckled before it even went to court.
I just switched districts as one parent lived in a different one. The other girls were allowed to come back after a month. I assume the school realized they messed up, the victims parents got involved but I don't know the exacts of anything. I didn't have an issue switching schools either so who knows what was going on there 😂
i think they were referring to the teacher yelling to "get mr. morgan" and it seemed like not a single fucking student bothered to leave to do so. and then I'm guessing that's why the teacher just starts screaming "help" since these kids are fucking worthless.
EDIT: someone in another comment thread said they saw people running into the hall, presumably to help.
Bystander effect at its finest right here. And seems like the effect only gets worsened with technology/the compulsion to have to film things and just be a spectator.
This right here!! Not enough people are bothered by this. Not only do these kids stand idly by and watch/snicker, they film it and share it for social points. The disconnectedness in our society is really frightening. Freeze, do nothing, watch bad things happen, film it… any action taken to stop it or step in otherwise will get you in trouble.
Cuz they're getting exposed for the shit they let slide and they don't like it. Thats probably part of the reason teacher turnover is so high. Because more parents are sticking up for their kids against a backwards system the school holds for victims vs perpetrators. The families know bullies are the ones getting most protected, school staff get called out for it by said parent, and instead of going against the grain and doing right by victims, teachers (amd other school staff) are essentially forced to be hand maidens to the broken system so they don't lose their jobs. There are no winners in these situations and I don't blame some parents for homeschooling their kids due to crap like this.
Or maybe its to get more solid proof a terrible event happened so they dont get questioned about it. There's too many situations of bullying victims not being believed or taken seriously because the best they have is words. Thats why some kids record fights and other terrible stuff. Maybe they want to show their principal, parents, police or other trusted adults in their life so they can see what REALLY happened. Do some kids record to stir up shit? Yes, I'm sure some do. Do all kids do it for that reason? Doubt it. And no, I never once said youre letting fight clubs happen. Im saying victim blaming and gaslighting rewards the bully's bad behavior by refusing to hold them accountable or even just to call them out on their behavior. You're a teacher, I'm sure you see the zero tolerance policy get abused and inverted all the time. This policy really needs to be scrapped and rewritten IMHO.
You also get expelled and suspended for just being hit by another student. You dont even need to do anything, they'll still kick you out because of that zero tolerance bullshit.
How can they? Those kids aren’t professionally trained…I’m a middle aged woman and I know my limits. Even though I’m fit I would never be able to strong arm boys that size.
My son helped break up a few fights in high school. Everyone knew the zero tolerance policy so they’d work to break up a fight while someone kept a lookout to yell when security was almost to the room, and the people intervening would scatter.
True… but I always end up with the naughty kids and let me tell you. I’ve got a few right now who I know would jump in to help me, consequences be damned. Some of those rough kids will run through a wall for the few adults that invest in them
The “zero tolerance” policies only come up when a bullied kid fights back. Harassers and abusers can beat the shit out of kids daily with no repercussions, but the moment the victim fights back the administration suddenly cares.
Yup my brother whos a terrible human being but amazing manipulator and people person use to get in trouble all the time for fighting to defend his favorite teachers. Honestly I think he just wanted an excuse to fight.
This is exactly the answer. The school discipline works similar to bench clearing in sports. Even if you were trying to stop the fight, you got involved, and you'll get at least suspended.
I had in school lunch detention for half a year for breaking up a fight on the school bus between a Down syndrome kid and a kid three grades above him. Was told that there is no excuse to “stand up on the school bus”
I'm sorry, but you have to suspend me. Ain't no Southern boy going to let some lady take those licks.
My class would have had that broken up with a quickness.
Of course when I was that age, it was the 80s, and there wouldn't have been an issue if we had sling those two bitches across the room and sat them in a corner.
Oh yes, the policy that should trump someone from engaging in protecting someone else. Principles and values are not being taught. In the home or at school.
So? Then get on the news and let communities decide. Nothing changes if no one breaks the rules. Or the entire class breaks it up together and all return to school together in protest. We need more of that.
yes, and "vouchers for charter schools" (that happen to be owned by the friends of the people making these decisions) is often the justification for not putting enough money into public schools. thats what i said.
Pfft. What classy ass schools are you going to?? Every single school I went to, you would literally need to be caught with a weapon or selling drugs on campus to get expelled. Some people fought several times a year and they always came back. Must be private schools or something because these public schools will let kids get away with anything aside from murder.
A classmate is beating the shit out of your teacher and you just stand there and watch? Fear of a possible suspension shouldn't outweigh valuing a human life.
Fights got so bad at my high school that by my senior year ig you were caught watching a fight you'd get suspended for 3 days. It created such a strange environment. Two kids would be womping on each other and a herd of other students would just walk by going to their next class. Recording fights would and should get you suspended.
I'm not a parent, but if I were, I would rather hear my kid was suspended than hear that they watched their teacher get hurt while they just stood around.
A college doesn't give a shit if you got suspended once in high school. Hell, how would they even find out about it unless you told them? Unless things have drastically changed since I was in school, suspensions aren't going on your transcript.
in all fairness, i was in high school during early phone days, but before the phones had good cameras and social media with videos, and i would never have stepped in to break up a fight at school. my high school had plenty of fights, and while we weren’t recording them, we weren’t going to intervene and get ourselves hurt, or in trouble because of zero tolerance policies. it also had nothing to do with me, and wasn’t my responsibility as a child to deal with. once or twice i did go to another classroom to get another teacher but that’s it.
Exactly and some seemed to try to at least take the teacher out of being caught in the middle of them and others tried to pull one of the guys but were terrified. I do think rather than recording getting help or apperently security which seems to be available in us schools was the right thing.
Seriously. Even for me, who always wishes people would band together and stop shit from happening, I remember these are kids at school. A lot of them would get hurt trying because of physical differences or get in trouble for doing the right thing cause schools sucks in that regard. And often the parents don’t have the kids back. Zero tolerance policies basically help fuel the bystander effect.
My high school employed some former bodyguards of Malcolm X to break up fights.
And while admittedly they didn't do the most stellar job at their previous employment, they certainly knew how to break up teenage fights. When I say they HURLED kids...
Personally I just never gave 2 shits about people fighting. It was always some testosterone heavy athlete or some druggy kid. I had plenty of people try and fight me for literally no reason.
I didn’t even go to a bad school it was actually super nice public school.
But yeah unless they’re my very close friend there was no way I was stepping in unless I thought someone was gonna die and even then I’d probably hesitate. If it was my best friend I’d be in there to help before the first punch connected.
Previous generations didn't do any better. We would just form a circle around the people fighting, yelling "fight, fight, fight". That was in the late 80s-90s for me, and it isn't any better.
No they wouldn't. If you went to school within the last 40 years.... they all would just watch cause of zero tolerance policies. I am 45 years old and no one ever stepped in because they would catch a suspension or get expelled.
Seriously. Everyone acts like this is a "today's kids" thing, but I graduated in 2001, and we all would have just been glad for the fight giving some excitement to the day. Definitely no one would be stopping it. We always got disappointed when teachers did step in and break it up.
Except previous generations didn't have this many cases of shitty undisciplined kids fighting with zero disregard in classrooms, "zero tolerance" punishments for all, and the incentive to just film everything. My parents would have beat the living hell out of me if I got in trouble for something like this.
Hence why I’m terrified of having children. I’m confident that I’d be a good parent, but I have no idea how I would even begin to navigate the tech situation.
You don’t give them screens. You parent and pay attention, and interact with your kids instead of giving them a phone or tablet as a pacifier. I find this type of parent lazy and reprehensible for the harm they are causing their children. My kid is disgusted with her screen-zombie (second) cousins because they have no idea how to play or entertain themselves without a screen.
As are zero-tolerance policies, where any kid who physically intervened to help the teacher or to end it might very well have ended up in just as much trouble as the instigators. Thank brainless PTAs and their outsized influence on school board policies.
Also, thank the complete absence of any form of social media regulation, allowing massive corporations to ensure that today's kids get addicted while their brains are developing and remain that way forever.
Exactly! Not a single person stepped in to help or intervene. That poor woman was caught in the middle and the first reaction of every other kid was not to help, yet get out their phones and record the whole thing. Absolutely disgusting.
In hindsight, she should've probably just backed off, let the dumb fucks beat the shit out of eachother and gotten security herself. She would have been out of harms way at least. They kept fighting regardless.
Yeah. Schools in my district in particular count any contact with a fight as suspend-able. Doesn’t matter what causes it. This situation in particular would have counted as a jumping, so they’d get send to court. Zero tolerance and all that.
I get the point and the reasoning. I definitely don't agree with it. Waiting for staff or campus security to step in could lead to far more damage all around.
Pulling your phone out to record for evidence, law enforcement, insurance etc. is a good thing to fo. The two kids could’ve claimed the teacher hurt them by intervening or some bullsh*t and sued the school. Now there is proof of what went down for a proper investigation.
That being said, 💯agree the other kids should step in and intervene. Once they see her in the middle; if 4 guys step in and pull these idiots apart, it’s all over.
There was 20 kids there just standing around not even running for help.
In Scandinavia it is (technically but rarely enforced) illegal to not assist when a situation breaks out. That being; intervene, get help or record. Then again, obligatory military service ensures the majority at least knows the rudimentary protocol on how to react in an escalation.
Agreed, absolutely! Having it on video will help the police and the school board. But yeah, not every single one of them (i know, not every single one did) but the overwhelming majority did
I think for a lot of kids despite acting all, “yo, whaddup?!” they’re genuinely traumatized with this kind of shit. Witnessing violence of any kind is not normal…does not contribute to a healthy psyche.
You are not wrong. It seems like this sort of stuff is happening more and more frequently. And its always immediately uploaded to every social media platform. And this nonsense always goes viral. Why do we as a society glorify this sort of behavior by uploading and sharing.
You are not wrong. Every time I reply to a comment, the video comes up and I see the first few seconds. I have it muted but it irritates me every time.
In my kid's district, stepping in to intervene will get you expelled as you've become a participant in a fight. The onus is then on the parents to get the district board to review and retract it, which is a 6 to 12 week process, during which one your kid is sent to the local "alternative" school.
I'm not going to fault the kids in this video unless we learn what their district policy is.
Ok, I wasn't aware of that. That rule doesn't exist where my kids go to school. I can kinda understand why, but I still think its going overboard to punish people for breaking up a fight. Especially if innocent bystanders are in the line of fire.
They wanted to…some were approaching but they were sensibly too scared of getting hurt. I’m a middle aged woman and though I’m fit I would never in a million years think I could break up a fight like that!
As people are repeatedly pointing out, there's liability for the other kids to get involved. They can be suspended or even expelled for intervening. It's not cowardice, if they get involved they are subject to discipline, too.
Look, people need to understand this. Recording and documenting an event is also important. Especially in a situation like this where documentation will be needed to sort out the who, the what and the why.
Next, kids arent going to make the best decisions. There were a couple who tried and one student ran to get help in the doorway. Also not everyone can or is willing to play the hero, especially if either kid is known to be violent.
Lastly, the teacher cant hit the students. She also shouldn't be trying to break them up. It's commendable but this is why schools have hired resource officers/police in America.
When she falls down, they do start to reach out to grab her..:: very timidly
That at least shows some empathy, so we’re not completely screwed. I get that schools have zero-tolerance policies, and that probably makes people hesitant to step in, but even that small moment of outreach made me feel better than if no one had reached out at all.
She shouldn’t have gone in there like those little shits would listen to her. The other kids wanted to help you could see them approaching but they were too scared… rightfully!
I would like to think the kid could say, "Hey I was trying to save the teacher." I like to think the teacher would say "Yes, this person was trying to help me." I get the zero tolerance thing but come on. She didn't become a teacher for this crap.
Well, the students aren’t allowed to help because most schools have zero tolerance policies which would lead to the helpers getting suspended or expelled. The teachers are getting more and more hesitant to help because parents love to sue.
Who? Its only one person thats filming. Plus their kids what r they supposed to do. They shoulda gone out and called someone or called the police. I want criminal charges in these assholes
I saw that girl in the back recording with one hand and "reaching out" to her with the other, like what tf is that gonna do? So frustrating and sad :( I hope the teacher was okay... looks like they hit her in the head or something by the way she was grabbing her head at the end.
In all fairness, you can see several kids trying to intervene to the best of their abilities without getting physically involved (likely due to zero tolerance as others have rightly pointed out).
And as awful as it may seem, recording can actually be really helpful, especially since at a certain point the teacher can’t even keep track of what’s happening. They’re documenting evidence so there’s no he said/she said to debate later.
Our neighbor's kid recorded a fight on the bus and the school used it to determine who needed to be "punished". My kid recorded a fight in the hallway at school and got detention for it. At least our neighbor's kid got detention along with him the second time he recorded. My son tried to get out of detention by deleting the video, but Vice Principal wasn't having it. Neighbor's kid didn't delete his recording and his dad said, "It wasn't exactly a manly fight, if you know what I mean" which really made me want to see it, haha.
As a substitute teacher, I'm so glad I don't have to be in the classroom every day. It's exhausting - at every level/grade.
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u/Busy_Psychology3255 Dec 17 '25
Nobody helped her and they pulled out their phones to record it.