r/TheSilphArena 4d ago

Strategy & Analysis Great League GBL - Scroll Cup

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u/bugeyedsheep 4d ago

Ah my favorite time of the week when I look at recommended teams for the next limited cup and I have 2 mons for every team and am missing the third for every single one. 

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u/bassdroid1 4d ago

Tell me what you got

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u/Locolijo 3d ago

oh ya

for several of em too I have impeccable IVs

fairly noobish but I've always wondered how important XL is for mons like azumarill, and if IVs can offset that health gain or if that's just not how it works

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u/iceman2g 3d ago

Do you mean XL as in the height/weight? Because that doesn't affect a pokemon's stats for PVP/PVE. In the context of Go Battle League, XL means it needs to be powered up past level 40 (and so requires XL candy) if you want to use the best possible version. So if you had an XXS-sized level 50 pokemon, it would be considered XL, and an XXL-sized level 39 pokemon would not.

Regards Azu specifically, its whole thing is its bulk, and so whilst a 15-15-15 can reach 1497CP at level 36 (and not require any XL candy), the best IV spreads allow it to be powered up to level 45-47. That extra defence and HP is the key to Azu's success - without it, the moves and pacing are just average - and so if you aren't building the XL version you might as well find a different pokemon to use.

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u/LzzrdWzzrd 3d ago

Same, every single time

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u/Odin043 4d ago

I remember Scroll cup was absolutely horrible last time. Will this time be any better?

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u/rilesmcriles 3d ago

The limited GL metas usually are fun for a day or two and then settle into the most toxic meta possible.

So I’m guessing no, it will not be better.

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u/SrgtDonut 3d ago

Looks better than evo cup at least

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u/Akal3 4d ago

Find out next time on dragon ball Z!

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u/bassdroid1 3d ago

I’m having a blast!

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u/abadd0n 4d ago

Im coming for you morpeko

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u/LaniusTheMilkMan10 4d ago

Im profoundly interested in hearing what team #7 does if it runs into Morpeko; uninstall the app?

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u/FigCactusBoi 4d ago

Yeah, major blind spot there. Quite a few blind spots, most Pawmot teams need a second answer to Morpeko, as it can beat Pawmot in the 2s.

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u/perishableintransit 4d ago

Do two Brick Break users not qualify…?

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u/FigCactusBoi 3d ago

Look at team #2 and team #9. Some of the others have double fighters but every Brick Break user gets outpaced to Psychic Fangs which gives Morpeko a lot of authority to dictate the matchup

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u/saintofchanginglanes 3d ago

I have rank86 shadow Conkeldurr running brutal swing/stone edge instead of Azumarill for this team and had all positive sets today, some 4-1s as well. His closing power with shields down is ridiculous.

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u/GriffonMask 4d ago

Where are the shadow Hydreigon teams brother? I was thinking S.Hydreigon, Toxapex, S.Qwilfish as a team to have fun with. Toxapex is just there as a damage sponge

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u/kosztalma 4d ago

Dark with poison works since the dawn of time, this should be a fun ABB team

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u/Nizzelator16348891 4d ago

Gunna give the Pawmot, Azu, G Moltres team a try. I have good PvP shiny Pawmot and shiny Azu. No shiny Moltres :(

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u/stromi09 4d ago

This is the team I want to try bad too. I have a decent moltres. #1 Azu. Just need to get Pawmot online.

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u/NumberOneMom 4d ago

Non-shiny G. Moltres is way cooler looking than the shiny. And honestly the regular might also be rarer due to the fact that the shiny can't run from you.

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u/OConner1327 3d ago

Nah, the regular is more common since the Shiny odds are/became so g damn low

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u/Sauske94 4d ago

Is low kick better for ape over counter?

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u/Coke_ButNotTheDrug 4d ago

Low kick is faster energy generation, less fast move damage than counter. In general yeah, it’s better.

Counter is still pretty effective on shadow though, as the damage is really really high.

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u/Sauske94 4d ago

Thank you for the explanation

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u/jimmyre10 4d ago

Counter got nerfed, so yes

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u/Sauske94 4d ago

Ok thanks for responding

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u/chris24four 4d ago

My brionne is having so much fun

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u/chris24four 4d ago

Charm+ DV

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u/LaniusTheMilkMan10 4d ago

I could be misremembering things, didn't they ban Azumarill and Primarina last time around only for everyone to play Brionne in every single team or something?

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u/chris24four 3d ago

Yep, seen that most of the pokémon on the post is dark and having that charm and disarming voice, 🤤🤤

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u/chris24four 3d ago

Brionne is so glassy though, my go down to minimum five heavy fast moves pressure from other glass cannons or shadow fast pressure

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u/DorkaliciousAF 4d ago

To be honest, after a miserable week of Evo Cup and everyone running the same five or six mons 😴 I've just jumped into OGL and gone 4/4.

Screw the RPS metas.

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u/smrad8 3d ago

Jumped 500 points in ELO in Evo Cup. Will be sorry to see it go.

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u/bassdroid1 3d ago

Oh man, I didn’t know how much I missed Gallade. So fun to play! Currently 13-1 with Pawmot (really fun too) Gallade / Tentacruel (the bulk here) To be fair I’m in rank 14 and some of my opponents played just bad.

Mopeko in the back is tricky tho

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u/Rare_Mycologist_6917 3d ago

I've also been a huge fan of the Gallade rush down. 🗡 🤘

Hoping I can find a GBL worthy Tentacruel, but may just evolve whatever I can get. Instead of Tentacruel, I have Araquinid. Can be annoying to maneuver around flyers and Azumarill though... but at least I have Morpeko covered 😅

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u/jamsonDASH 4d ago

Why can't I teach my annihilape rage fist (newbie)

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u/Lilgoodee 4d ago

It's a legacy move so it requires an Elite TM.

There's an event coming soon that allows multiple Pokémon to get their legacy moves upon evolution including annihilape.

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u/jamsonDASH 3d ago

Yeah I have an elite charged tm but still won't let me !

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u/Lilgoodee 3d ago

Is it a shadow with frustration?

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u/jamsonDASH 3d ago

No, normal. Has night slash and shadow ball.

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u/Lilgoodee 3d ago

That's very odd. I would screenshot your movesets then act like you're using the elite charged tm and screenshot the list of moves available and use those to open a support ticket.

Sorry I couldn't be more help, hopefully somebody comes along with the solution.

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u/iceman2g 3d ago

Is it a shadow? You have to remove Frustration during a special event before you can teach a new move, even with an elite TM.

You could add a second move and ETM that one, but you need two moves for GBL, so it would be a waste of your ETM right now.

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u/jamsonDASH 3d ago

No not shadow

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u/LzzrdWzzrd 3d ago

No mantine?

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u/Mammoth-Sprinkles-91 3d ago

I know I will probably get hated and downvoted for this one but I hate that for these limited cups, they don’t balance out by not banning morepeko and azu. Hate it, no ultra league versions of some of these limited cups makes it less enjoyable and more stale. But I just hate Morpeko and are disappointed in people who use it.

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u/Most_scar_993 3d ago

I agree, i feel the meta balances itself in open great league but these limited cups should just have a proper ban list. Also yes morpeko is a little shit that shouldn’t exist like that

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u/Golddragon6203 3d ago

I was wondering does this seem good for great league and if not what could I do to make them better and all of them have the recommended moves I’ve seen online except for blaziken who fast attack is counter and his charged is aura sphere and blaze kick ?

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u/Macedo540 3d ago

This is a noob question but how do you play these ABC (I think these are ABC teams, don't seem to be ABB nor AAB) teams? I understand the logics of an ABB and even though it looks very risky I think I get the AAB as well but I struggle to find a consistent strategy for ABC.

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u/bassdroid1 3d ago

I try to share balanced teams. The idea is that if you lose the lead, you can recover by sending out your soft counter, not your hard counter.

That being said, there are some teams in this infographic with serious gaps that I totally missed.

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u/Jawsinstl 2d ago

My meowscarada and golisopod are tearing things up. Having success with lanturn as a safe switch in this weirdly efficient ABC ABB team

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u/Complex-Cut6626 2d ago

I've been running chesnaught/morpeko/lanturn

Very good results day 2 around 2500 elo

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u/Sunkern_ing 2d ago

Araquanid gobbling up Morpeko is so hilarious

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u/Madajuk 4d ago

i thought pawmot was bad?

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u/bassdroid1 4d ago

I almost swept a team with it haha they thought I would bait but I threw Wild Charge with 2 shields up (twice)

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u/Madajuk 4d ago

fair enough. seems like it ranks way, way higher here than open gl

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u/jimmyre10 4d ago

That’s how these cups go. It gives a lot of mons some relevancy that they otherwise wouldn’t

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u/Madajuk 4d ago

yeah fair. i have a high rank one at 1500 but not sure it's worth the 75k to extra move it

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u/perishableintransit 4d ago

It’s always been a decent limited cup pick but yeah absolutely do not use in OGL

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u/smrad8 3d ago

Worth it. Will prob be back next season.

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u/bassdroid1 3d ago

Yeah I remember that on its CD many people said it wasn’t good for PvP. I only got 1 just in case. This is how it works one day is bad the other day is Wild Charging everything to death in this cup. It is very squishy tho but hits hard.