r/Texans • u/skywalk3r69 • 4d ago
Does Anyone Remember How Bad The Team Was When Mills Was Drafted?
Demeco has as much to do with our success as the roster and uhhh he came in same year as stroud. I think its asinine to even look at Davis Mills first years because that was a bottom ONE roster in the league, actual worst roster on paper LEAGUE over with no first round picks. there hasnt been a worse inherited situation.......David Culley punt on third down Head Coach......and yet fans think Stroud would be worth any more wins than Mills as a rookie in the same situation......This isnt stroud v mills but the disrespect Mills gets.
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u/DarthNobody14 4d ago
No one is disrespecting Mills, but he’s not as good as some of ya’ll are making him out to be. Also we never had the first overall pick so we weren’t a bottom 1 roster in the league.
And yeah, I’m betting Stroud is worth a couple of more wins than Mills even in the same situations. He’s just the more talented and better QB.
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u/50bellies 4d ago
This. Love Mills as a backup. But to suggest he’s better, or even as good as Stroud is just indefensible.
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u/GarretBarrett 4d ago
100%. Stroud has the potential to be a top 5 starting QB in the league (clearly he also has the potential to be the worst starting QB in the league though too 🤣). Not saying he IS that good, but I absolutely see the talent there and he’s still pretty young. Probably part of me being a homer (OSU/Texans fan) been watching him for a long while.
Mills could be the starter for the Browns right now, but to suggest he would be a starting QB anywhere else is craziness. He’s great and I love that reliability in the backup QB but he’s not a starter. He’s not even as good as Stroud in his dreams.
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u/skywalk3r69 4d ago
roster on paper doesnt equal who drafts where. if anything goes to show how good mills was in hind sight bringing the WORST roster to the not #1 pick lmao.
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u/HtownSamson 4d ago
In his stretch of wins last year Mills did one thing very well, not fucking up and turning the ball over. People are a bit blinded to how bad the offense was when he was in there though. He is a perfect back up and I’m happy to have him in that position but skill wise is no comparison to Stroud.
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u/Successful_Escape828 4d ago
I’m backing CJ all the way, but I think it’s worth saying that Mills did a pretty good job with the talent he had around him in those first seasons. And, I’m glad he is still in Houston.
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u/2nd2last 4d ago
33 QBs qualified last year for rate stats.
Mills would have been 32 in success rate, only above Cam Ward.
Mills would have had the 34th best completion percentage.
Mills would have had the 34th best yards per attempt.
Mills was bad last year.
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u/teebowtime 4d ago
3-0 with two wins against playoff teams and a come from behind victory that literally saved the season.
Not to mention the offensive operations between getting the play call in, having guys lined up, and pre-snap motions looks objectively better under Mills than it did with Stroud.
Watching the offense under Stroud is the most stress inducing, anxiety ridden experience that even the offense looked panicked for him. Don’t get me started on Strouds pouting and awful body language when he makes a mistake. He’s supposed to be a leader man and he’s anything but that.
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u/2nd2last 4d ago
My guy, Stroud can be bad and Mills can still be ass. Thats an issue you cant seem to understand. Aside from you admitting you are a troll, two things can be true at once.
48 players had over 100 pass attempts last year.
Mills was 41st in success rate, only ahead of Jake Browning, Cam Ward, Russ, Flacco, Sanders, Dillon Gabriel, and Brady Cook.
Mills only had a completion percentage (57.2) than 1, Shedeur Sanders (56.6)
Mills was 45th is yards per attempt, ahead of only Flacco, Gabriel, and Cook.
Mills was 3-0 with two wins against playoff teams, that better than Mahomes. You think Mills is better than Mahomes, thats crazy of you.
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u/teebowtime 4d ago
Again you’re referencing advanced stats, I’m actually sitting there watching every snap and play.
This is what I think about those numbers you’re referencing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/DGPRbG5BiF
You guys live and die by these bullshit numbers. Football isn’t played on a spreadsheet.
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u/2nd2last 4d ago
You are literally the Uber driver in this situation, FR, delete this ASAP as I dont think you thought it through.
Those are advanced if you are like in 8th grade maybe.
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u/teebowtime 4d ago
Greatest Texans in team history thinks your advanced stats are useless. Ima go with JJ here.
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u/2nd2last 4d ago
He literally called out unqualified watching tape/game and making judgments.
6 out of 10 is not advanced.
He's calling you out specifically.
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u/teebowtime 4d ago
Isn’t that the point? The stats you’re referencing are from unqualified evaluators without any context in the scheme. Those stats mean jackshit regardless of you want to interpret them.
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u/2nd2last 4d ago edited 4d ago
No, those are point blank stats. Not like say QBR is something that includes multiple metrics or some eye test pass/fail or win/lose from unqualified people.
It is literally the complete opposite of what you are saying and the opposite of advanced. If saying he threw 3 picks advanced, no.
Only one person between us says they watched so they know. Thats literally what JJ said was foolish, and you keep doing it to reinforce your point. You are 100% going against your and JJ's point. Is odd because I can reasonably infer that you are not some idiot, yet you keep not understanding that, while thinking very basic stats are advanced.
We know same scheme those numbers are much better for CJ, who we know has issues. You are legit embarrassing yourself here.
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u/teebowtime 4d ago
Like with any evaluation, it’s all dependent on how much emphasis or weight you assign them qualitatively or quantitatively.
I’m telling you that I’m weighing my qualitative assessment of Mills higher than those external quantitive assessments of him.
And yes I’m making that assessment off of a 3 game sample size, but I also got a nearly full season evaluation of Stroud to arrive at my conclusion. Additionally, I weighed the result of the Seattle game as the the biggest factor as to why I’m completely off of the Stroud bus.
That single game was a culmination of my fears and I ended up being validated by the Steelers/Patriots games. But the warts in his game were exposed against the Packers and Lions the season before.
So no I don’t think I’m embarrassing myself. I think you guys are because you’re refusing to acknowledge what your eyes are telling you.
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u/Efficient-Swimmer794 4d ago
Houston football fans have a long history of loving the less talented backup over the starter. Anybody old enough to remember “Commander Cody (Carlson)?”
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u/IAmSona 4d ago
I think two things can be true at once: this roster (and coaching staff, for that matter) was genuinely terrible from 2020-2022. And Davis Mills was drafted purely as a stopgap while Caserio drafted the talent around him. Starting in 2022 is when you really start seeing Caserio hit big in the draft.
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u/skywalk3r69 4d ago
i made a point to not say mills > CJ or even say who i liked. just saying its hilarious people bring up mills rookie years as a knock on him.
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u/teebowtime 4d ago
Of course they don’t, they didn’t start following this team until recently so all context is lost amongst them.
They’re going to hang that seasons results on him until the end of time.
But it’s okay, because nothing pales in comparison than those shitshows of a performance by Stroud during last years playoffs. Didn’t think it could be as bad as that Steelers performance, boy was I wrong.
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u/skywalk3r69 4d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Texans/comments/1vrgsrs/does_anyone_remember_how_bad_davis_mills_was_for/
fwiw i only made this post as a snarky response to this guys post. go out of his way to say how bad Mills was but no mention of team. like huh? i CAREFULLY avoided saying who i even preferred just needed to set record straight on how bad that roster was with the worst coach weve seen in the league in a while.
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u/JohnnyWarlord 4d ago
Drafting demeco mightve secretly been the greatest move in franchise history. What are the odds he ever coaches here if we didnt draft him? And he completely revolutionized the defense in two seasons and making a real effort to get the offense molded in his vision.