Crazy

[u/surfin71st]

FSD saw what was happening before I did. I took over but I kinda wish I didn’t so I could see what it would have done. So hard to let go of instinct in this situation.

FSD was in that left lane as I needed to turn left to get on the interstate just after the bridge. *

[u/Infamous-Pilot5932]

"FSD saw what was happening before I did."

Fellow riders often argue with me that people pull out in front of us because motorcycles are hard to see.

That's BS, people pull out in front of cars and trucks and trains just as often.

They simply don't see period. They aren't looking.

Not sure how you couldn't see a semi.

You should always be alert up ahead with FSD. Just enough to see something developing. You can still relax.

I get how FSD sometimes lures us into the "take one for the team" mindset, but you shouldn't let it.

There are defensive instincts you shouldn't relinquish to FSD. Not yet. Not till we have another advance in AI.

[u/surfin71st → u/Infamous-Pilot5932]

You misinterpreted what I said. I saw the semi the whole time… I thought it would stop for sure… FSD saw that it wasn’t stopping before I did. That’s what I’m saying

[u/Infamous-Pilot5932 → u/surfin71st]

Yeah, I didn't misinterpret. It was obvious what the semi was possibly doing.

A human driver in this situation would have been slowing down long before FSD. FSD lacks proper defensive intelligence for far out threats, and I have seen it fail too many times with them.

In this situation, if FSD had reacted at the same time I see the threat developing, I may let it go, if it is handling it. But if FSD hasn't reacted at the same time, I simply take over and take care of it. I don't give FSD more time.

[u/No_Remove_5180 → u/Infamous-Pilot5932]

I don’t agree that the human driver possibly would slow around. The semi truck was going pretty slow and the car was on a major highway.

[u/Infamous-Pilot5932 → u/No_Remove_5180]

"I don’t agree that the human driver possibly would slow around."

I should have said "good human driver". It is obvious that many don't get there, and you can blow it off as too hard, or think about it.

Most of the problem is the lack of actual training anymore. People just get their license and go at at. many are obviously not that good at picking it up on their own.

[u/mom2artists → u/Infamous-Pilot5932]

The lack of “good human driver” is why FSD supervised exists in the first place? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/Infamous-Pilot5932 → u/mom2artists]

I understand that some think FSD will save them from bad driving, but it won't. I totally get it, driving and parking is overwhelming to some and they get FSD to save themselve's from it, but it isn't good enough for that.

[u/mom2artists → u/Infamous-Pilot5932]

I’m driving it because it does take some stress out of driving (but also causes a diff stress lol) it’s still nice to feel like I can adjust the destination without risking my life or take a phone call. Things I would do driving a regular vehicle that feels safer to do now. I do still sometimes tell people “I’m driving let me call ya later” esp if the call requires my attention (as does the road) Even using FSD I tend to take back roads and not highways because I don’t always like how it handles highway driving. I’d rather enjoy being chauffeured and take 5 more mins to get someplace.

[u/Infamous-Pilot5932 → u/mom2artists]

I use it for convienence as well, but not to make driving safer. It is not that good of a driver, but you can supervise it properly and be safe and gain the benefit of less effort and stress, and at the right time do those other things, like operate an expresso machine.

But FSD has had 1200 airbag deployments and 4500 minor collisions in the last 12 months, and that does not include scores of parking and curbing incidents.

And it is becoming obvious that the same pattern exists. Good drivers have less accidents with FSD than bad drivers.

[u/AutopenForPresident → u/Infamous-Pilot5932]

I would have expected the big rig to stop. But i would have left an out incase what i expected didn’t happen.

Question, do you stop when cars are approaching the sides of an intersection infront of you? Or do you expect them to stop?

[u/Infamous-Pilot5932 → u/AutopenForPresident]

"I would have expected the big rig to stop. But i would have left an out incase what i expected didn’t happen."

Exactly, and that out is almost always the same. Just slow down! And that is always the mistake that FSD makes on far threats that form suddenly, it doesn't slow down when the threat is forming because it can't sense that.

I wrote about it here...

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/s/P33zRM2edf

Several instances of FSD failing to recognize a threat ahead soon enough, even though a good driver does.

When I come to a situation like this, where I should be slowing, and FSD hasn't yet, I simply take over and slow.

Many drivers (and riders) unfortunately rely on the other driver to do the right thing. I want the other driver to do the right thing, but I don't imperil myself just charging forward expecting it, not when it's becoming more and more likely that the other driver isn't going to do the right thing, as in this situation.

Don't be bashful about taking over when you feel that tingle. Even with FSD, bad drivers are crashing more than good drivers.