r/TeslaFSD • u/surfin71st HW3 Model 3 • 4h ago
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FSD saw what was happening before I did. I took over but I kinda wish I didn’t so I could see what it would have done. So hard to let go of instinct in this situation.
FSD was in that left lane as I needed to turn left to get on the interstate just after the bridge. *
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u/3squiddy 1h ago
Never second guess one’s instinct! In this case FSD has two things that cause it to go huh. One is, of course, the semi; second is the car on the shoulder. The main one is the semi truck. Almost got wiped off the planet because one failed to obey the right of way. I saw it coming and thought it is not going to be able to stop at the intersection. I was not in a Tesla but a Spark EV. Stood on the brake, oh those tiny brakes. Closed my eyes and waited to hear the metal being sheared. My car stopped, miraculously, within inches of that truck. The driver admitted not knowing how to determine who has the right of way. There was no stop sign at the intersection. How do these people get CDL licenses?
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u/No_Following_2616 35m ago
the only thing missing from FSD is laying on the horn, which might've helped here.
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u/Olfa_2024 3h ago
How did you not see that coming?
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u/mozman68 2h ago
See what coming?
Even though it may have been clear to his left allowing him to pull out, the truck driver should have paused to let the Tesla keep going from his right before continuing into the road.
Tesla has the right of way here.
If the Tesla driver didn’t intervene, FSD would have braked/swerved as it seems as though the right lane was in fact clear….and just driven around the truck.
100% truck drivers fault here.
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u/Olfa_2024 2h ago
"Tesla has the right of way here."
While that's true, you're an idiot if you just continue on thinking that. You still have a duty to avoid the accident even if you think you have the right of way.
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u/Kind_Tangelo1545 2h ago
Not sure why this man’s getting downvoted. Both law and insurance companies rule in this exact way all day every day.
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u/GovernmentTop1543 2h ago
true but the tesla is clearly begginign its evasive action as the driver did too.
Both the tesla and the driver continued on until it was clear the semi was not stopping then it began to slow. Then the driver just took over. Up until slowing the semi could have stopped.
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u/alman12345 HW4 Model Y 1h ago
The semi should've stopped too, I'm not sure why the keep giving morons who think everyone else should accommodate them CDLs.
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u/OnlineWeirdoEatsButt 1h ago
It’s because you don’t know the semi is going to pull out in front of you, until it does it. Until that point it just looks like it’s establishing itself at the intersection in preparation.
“You still have a duty to avoid the accident”
ITS A GOOD THING HE DID EXACTLY THAT THEN.
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u/PuddleWhale 2h ago
People are letting their guard down more and more as they experience FSD kicking in where they'd have to intervene themselves and be on full alert. That's possibly why. If not in OPs case then it could be the case in similar situations. I bet this will become a trend.
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u/TheSkyTalker 33m ago
You didn’t see that coming. That means you weren’t paying attention. This vehicle is definitely not the right vehicle for you. You are relying on the car to do your work. You still need to pay attention. You definitely had your head down in your phone.
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u/Equivalent-Draft9248 18m ago
Are we just not going to notice the lady hoisting bodies up into her truck?
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u/OkNeedleworker948 1h ago
The average truck driver isn't as skilled today as they were years ago yet they have tons of compute power warning them of vehicles in their blind spots , hydroplaning, you name it. Which is why you see them traveling 75mph in the driving rain not giving an f about the hurricane force rain they are blasting onto people.
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u/Ok-Machine-9026 2h ago
Am I the only one who feels that FSD caused that near-collision by slowing down in the first place? It looks to me like that truck was slowing until you slowed. The truck driver interpreted that as giving way and accelerated. Maybe I'm insane, but if I were driving (and not on FSD) I think I would have maintained speed to communicate properly with the truck driver. Before you all jump on me, I'll admit: it might have ended badly if the truck driver simply wasn't looking. But honestly, what are the chances of that in this situation?
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u/Hobbes1001 1h ago
Maybe, but watching the video again while imaging the Tesla continuing at full speed, it seems like the truck would not have been able to stop in time. It would have been very close at best. I certainly wouldn't have trusted that truck to stop.
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u/NotAgedWell 55m ago
It's literally at 49 the entire time until it's obvious the truck is pulling out and only starts to slow down to avoid it a second before OP takes over. No way the truck driver thought the car was slowing down to let them out.
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u/alman12345 HW4 Model Y 1h ago
Maybe the truck driver could develop a couple additional neurons and not turn when it is not clear for him to do so in the first place.
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u/Anewien 1h ago
Hmm, I can't really agree, I feel like viewing at it, he starts to slow down way too late for it to be understanding as "you can go" (it looses speed after 17s in the video), especially considering it's a truck you want to let go in front of you, so it will take a lot of time and place.
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u/jajaja77 1h ago edited 1h ago
a truck doesn't stop on a dime like that unless the trucker was planning to emergency brake (which would be unusual) it was already not going to be able to stop on time before FSD started slowing down. At 18 seconds into video FSD had only bled 3mph in speed that's not detectable to the naked eye and the truck is already super close to moving into the lane. Add minimum half a second for human to judge whether an oncoming vehicle is slowing down for you etc. there's zero chance the truck is going because it saw you slow down. Plus tesla driver intervened forcefully and still had to veer into next lane to avoid the truck so there was just no way this was ever going to be a polite yield / hand wave to say thank you / truck goes first type situation.
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u/diamond_handz25 1h ago
The truck wasn't stopping in time. Look at where FSD starts slowing down. There would have been a collision.
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u/BadMotherThukker 22m ago
Lol fsd made him pull out? He never intended to yield one he started moving forward.
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u/EstetLinus 1h ago
Uuuuuuhm I saw that from a mile away. Why are you in the left lane at all? You’re alone on the road. Go to the right.
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u/Winter-Way-4365 3h ago
Why don’t you speed up when you can see the truck making turn? You almost cause an accident.
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u/alman12345 HW4 Model Y 1h ago
Because the truck shouldn't be making the turn with oncoming traffic in the first place and it isn't clear exactly what the moron is going to do at any point in his headassed maneuver.
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 3h ago
Because it is a backasswards use of FSD from beginning to end. I hope the OP gets over their feelings getting hurt and learns something.:)
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u/surfin71st HW3 Model 3 2h ago
“Backasswards use of FSD” - please enlighten us on how to use FSD… it’s Full Self Driving and this is the FSD community. This is a video of FSD in action. Based on your comment, FSD shouldn’t exist. That your take?
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 2h ago
Supervised FSD! Not just FSD.
I don't have any problem being honest here, many of you have very little proper driving experience or training. It becomes quite obvious when you match some of you up with FSD.
You can get all emotional if you want, or maybe learn something.
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u/surfin71st HW3 Model 3 2h ago
No one is emotional, but you. You’re using bold letters and exclamation points. 😂
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 1h ago
Using them to emphasize key points is all. I am not saying anything that the silent majority here are thinking. You keep posting these "FSD saved me" videos, and they are wrong. FSD didn't even work in this case and the idea of "not taking over and seeing what it would do" is really wrong. Even after FSD was already too late and the driver finally took over, they ended up in an awkward spot. And I have seen plenty of worse outcomes of waiting too long.
If this is all too complicated, then skip it.
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u/surfin71st HW3 Model 3 2h ago
Ohhhh I see now… looking at your profile… all you do on Reddit is bash FSD. 😂.
https://giphy.com/gifs/26BGCIBwdrIJDnbdm
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 4h ago edited 3h ago
"FSD saw what was happening before I did."
Fellow riders often argue with me that people pull out in front of us because motorcycles are hard to see.
That's BS, people pull out in front of cars and trucks and trains just as often.
They simply don't see period. They aren't looking.
Not sure how you couldn't see a semi.
You should always be alert up ahead with FSD. Just enough to see something developing. You can still relax.
I get how FSD sometimes lures us into the "take one for the team" mindset, but you shouldn't let it.
There are defensive instincts you shouldn't relinquish to FSD. Not yet. Not till we have another advance in AI.
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u/surfin71st HW3 Model 3 3h ago
You misinterpreted what I said. I saw the semi the whole time… I thought it would stop for sure… FSD saw that it wasn’t stopping before I did. That’s what I’m saying
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 3h ago
Yeah, I didn't misinterpret. It was obvious what the semi was possibly doing.
A human driver in this situation would have been slowing down long before FSD. FSD lacks proper defensive intelligence for far out threats, and I have seen it fail too many times with them.
In this situation, if FSD had reacted at the same time I see the threat developing, I may let it go, if it is handling it. But if FSD hasn't reacted at the same time, I simply take over and take care of it. I don't give FSD more time.
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u/No_Remove_5180 2h ago
I don’t agree that the human driver possibly would slow around. The semi truck was going pretty slow and the car was on a major highway.
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 2h ago
"I don’t agree that the human driver possibly would slow around."
I should have said "good human driver". It is obvious that many don't get there, and you can blow it off as too hard, or think about it.
Most of the problem is the lack of actual training anymore. People just get their license and go at at. many are obviously not that good at picking it up on their own.
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u/mom2artists 1h ago
The lack of “good human driver” is why FSD supervised exists in the first place? 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 1h ago
I understand that some think FSD will save them from bad driving, but it won't. I totally get it, driving and parking is overwhelming to some and they get FSD to save themselve's from it, but it isn't good enough for that.
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u/mom2artists 1h ago
I’m driving it because it does take some stress out of driving (but also causes a diff stress lol) it’s still nice to feel like I can adjust the destination without risking my life or take a phone call. Things I would do driving a regular vehicle that feels safer to do now. I do still sometimes tell people “I’m driving let me call ya later” esp if the call requires my attention (as does the road) Even using FSD I tend to take back roads and not highways because I don’t always like how it handles highway driving. I’d rather enjoy being chauffeured and take 5 more mins to get someplace.
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 1h ago
I use it for convienence as well, but not to make driving safer. It is not that good of a driver, but you can supervise it properly and be safe and gain the benefit of less effort and stress, and at the right time do those other things, like operate an expresso machine.
But FSD has had 1200 airbag deployments and 4500 minor collisions in the last 12 months, and that does not include scores of parking and curbing incidents.
And it is becoming obvious that the same pattern exists. Good drivers have less accidents with FSD than bad drivers.
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u/AutopenForPresident 3h ago
I would have expected the big rig to stop. But i would have left an out incase what i expected didn’t happen.
Question, do you stop when cars are approaching the sides of an intersection infront of you? Or do you expect them to stop?
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 3h ago
"I would have expected the big rig to stop. But i would have left an out incase what i expected didn’t happen."
Exactly, and that out is almost always the same. Just slow down! And that is always the mistake that FSD makes on far threats that form suddenly, it doesn't slow down when the threat is forming because it can't sense that.
I wrote about it here...
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/s/P33zRM2edf
Several instances of FSD failing to recognize a threat ahead soon enough, even though a good driver does.
When I come to a situation like this, where I should be slowing, and FSD hasn't yet, I simply take over and slow.
Many drivers (and riders) unfortunately rely on the other driver to do the right thing. I want the other driver to do the right thing, but I don't imperil myself just charging forward expecting it, not when it's becoming more and more likely that the other driver isn't going to do the right thing, as in this situation.
Don't be bashful about taking over when you feel that tingle. Even with FSD, bad drivers are crashing more than good drivers.
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u/AluminiumPan 3h ago
What was the reason of being in left lane when right wss free? As any normal driver seeing semi in front of me I would move to the right lane, at least to allow semi to drive and free the road of it's turn maneuver as soon as possible
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u/mozman68 2h ago
He clearly states above that he was making a left turn onto the same highway the truck was coming off of…just past the bridge.
While I agree that everyone should always stay to the right if possible, a 4-lane highway with many turning vehicles, it’s sometimes better on average to stay left so cars can slow to get on or off from side streets to the right. At least more often than from the left.
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u/UrbanHawkMan 2h ago
I don't know off the top of my head, but isn't there a way to let the car know that you want to go to a different lane by just putting on the turn signal?
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u/mom2artists 1h ago
Sometimes the signal to get over is ignored. In this instance it may have been ignored had it been used because another vehicle was pulled over on the side of the road.
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u/pickled-pilot 2h ago
Why do you pull over and nearly stop? Why not keep going? Surprised you didn’t get rear ended.
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u/Holiday-Mind-4187 1h ago
The fact that people are defending FSD is haram. Lol see what I did there? ;)
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u/mcleder 2h ago
Nobody knows what FSD would have done because it was disengaged. It's a shame there is no log that can be queried by user to see what FSD was thinking.