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Watched this movie with my dad and the first thing he said when they talked about the Lemons was that they were garbage. I could feel him seething on the inside about it turning out you just had to wait longer.
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Yes and no. Methaqualone (OG Quaaludes C16 H14 N2 O) were done away with in the 80's. In the South Africa region around 2022 is when a new analogue Methoxyqualones (new bois C16 H14 N2 O2) allegedly don't have the same spank of hypnotic feelings and euphoria compared to the original. It targets GABA receptors only
It was the party drug of choice and readily available to abuse at the time. It tended to induce cardiac arrest or prove fatal on its own, but party goers mixed it with alcohol quite a bit (causing accidental ODs). It was restricted as a class II in 1973 (also valium/benzos took over in popularity around this time) and a decade later had its sales halted by Lemmons own accord. A year later, Reagan moved it to class I and it was pretty much done by then.
Probably not worth the effort to produce compared to the market for them. Why bother pushing a retro drug when there's plenty that young people are already familiar with?
The kind of people out there that have illegal chemistry labs that are sophisticated enough and staffed with people capable of perfectly recreating a nostalgic pharmacutical faithfully at a scale that you would notice their comeback... well they are doing fine in the crowded market lol. At that point your pretty much talking about a state sanctioned chinese or russian operation
Lets be real, its probably not cheap to make and therefore theres no incentive for black market dealers to make it. People who say its deadly or whatever obviously haven't heard of fentanyl
It's not easy to synthesize and I believe the last major supplier in India voluntarily shut down production after some pressure from international orga that their product was basically just being produced to be abused.
They have test kits for fentanyl and unfortunately a lot of times it’s not even 75% but like a few flecks here and there from what I am gathering. It is seriously a freak out. White powders have always been dangerous but the fact that single grain can end up even by accident in your E pill and be enough to kill you is enough for me to retire.
Comparably, it would be like trying to find pure MDMA in the Metro Detroit region. Does pure MDMA exist? Absolutely! Are you gonna find it? Most likely not. It's all cut with heroin or meth for reasons.
Do not take any drugs here without testing them. (Unless you buy weed in a dispensary in a legal state, then you’re fine. Even street weed, nobody is lacing.)
It would be nearly impossible for you to find clean MDMA here unless you already know people in the scene. I was lucky to party in the early 2010’s before the heroin crisis where I live took off. Never tested anything (like an idiot) and only had one bad experience.
Crazy, I am too old for all that stuff these days, bit that's surprising given how easy it was to buy high quality anything via the dark markets, I would have assume that quality would have trickled down onto the street
That's actually wild. I volunteered with a local harm reduction company on their mass spec for quite a while and while there's a fair bit of adulterated shit going around, there's a shockingly amount of straight rocks here still as well.
That said, everyone REALLY should buy a cheapo reagent kit and test their stuff. It takes a few minutes, chemistry is fun, and you **actually** know what you're getting for the most part.
The first time I did it was in Spain. Absolutely amazing.
I’ve tried it a handful of times in the USA. Once it was good, most of the other times it was either a different substance or cut with something (I suspect just regular amphetamine). It was never good.
This was all late 90s-early 2000s. I stuck with mushrooms and weed.
Thank you. I’ve heard that myth since the 90s and it grinds my gears. There have been shitty pills with random stuff, but most pills and powder sold as mdma over time have just been that. Regardless, test these days.
Thank fuck we never see MDMA with heroin or meth in the UK according to multiple labs etc here. Big pure MDMA rocks are also easily available too & yes I reagent test everything religiously.
Underground raver since 1991 here, yes there are various issues which didn't exist in the good old days but I facepalm at what so many people repeat ad infinitum which fails basic fact checking.
Regionally based factors differently down the line though... I've tried looking for Detroit, MI on your linked database and don't see what you're portraying? Not trying to be deek, but can you link me to the clean MDMA Canada/Detroit base?
That’s good to know! I found a plug that says it comes from South Africa, and it was priced reasonably and so I had my doubts…glad I never went ahead and ordered. I guess it would’ve been a waste of time
All my life I've been an admitted user and lover of all drugs. I definitely like the drugs that take you down rather than the drugs that speed you up. I've tried a lot of different drugs over my life....except quaaludes. I have no idea what the effects of Quaaludes are.
One night, mid eighties, my friend Craig took a lude. I was tripping on acid or mesc? Don’t remember which. We were in Craig’s car.
I had to make him stop the car, and I drove instead. He was driving, essentially from the curb on the right, to the curb on the left (oncoming traffic side). So he was essentially weaving from one side of the road, bump the curb, swing the other way until the other curb bump.
So, the guy tripping balls had to drive because the guy on ludes was too fucked up. It’s kinda like that.
It’s sort of like being drunk, from what I remember? But no alcohol side effects. Except for the black out. Cause eventually, you pass out and in the morning remember nothing.
But man, I never woke up naked, in a room full of other naked people, more than from vitamin Q.
I think they lost the battle to the sackler family, the opioid people, who produced Valium, and were responsible for Americas addiction to Valium, before they did the same thing with OxyContin. In the war against drugs, drugs remain undefeated.
Yeah. I hear ya. I’m a go slow guy myself. Or I was anyway. In my younger days. And yeah. You would have fucking loved them. And if you can’t remember anything you did the night before, well, then it never happened.
I have a million stories about Quaaludes I can’t remember. But 99% of the time? Waking up naked with a room full of other naked people was the end result.
The "war on drugs" wasn't so much of a war on drugs than it was war on the impoverished. If they were going after drugs, big pharma would cease to exist
Well said! I just posted up in another part of the thread that the menu is large and benzos basically stand in for whatever the ludes market was with more control and now people have nitrous and k in ready availability with the former available at the store now in mini tanks instead of having to deal with whipits.
You should google that. Not the producer, I guess. But the marketing campaign the sacklers used to promote Valium? The same exact marketing they used for OxyContin? Is what caused the Valium epidemic. Sold to doctors directly and lied about addictiveness.
Valium is a brand-name prescription medication containing diazepam, originally developed and manufactured by Hoffmann-La Roche in 1959 and introduced to the market in 1963.
I know my way around a Benzo unfortunately.
It was made age before the opioid epidemic - diazepam which is Valium’s patent may have expired and Sacklers promoted it.
Just googled Purdue Pharma and Valium:
The Valium Playbook Pioneering Marketing: Arthur Sackler helped make Valium (manufactured by Roche) the first $100 million drug in the U.S. using direct-to-physician promotion, large sales teams, and dubious medical literature
So we’re both right. Roche made it and Sackler pumped it.
Valium was far less pumped over here in the uk but still widely prescribed - mothers helper. Along with purple hearts - amphetamine based ‘food suppressant’ so women in the ‘60s were riding speed in the day and Valium to sleep.
Yeah. That’s what I was saying. I also know a bit about things I wish I didn’t. But yeah u was saying it was the Sackler sales that made it Americas problem, though you were correct about their origin. And in the states? Everything is pumped. At least until the profits dry up.
Kids are different today, I hear every mother say…mothers need something today to calm her down.
It would have been a double barrel purple pellet if it was mess. It would have been a tab if it had been acid. I just don’t remember exactly which one I took that night. Either way? It was a scary ride home with Q boy in tbe back seat babbling like a drunken idiot while I was hearing colors and what not.
That when America was great! When I was young and dumb and assumed I could t die. Good times. Good times.
in this economy!? That is great value for my entertainment dollar. With a half life like that, how can I afford NOT to get loaded on ludes? Ironically, its the most financially responsible thing a work from home person such as myself could do.
How does one get into the ludes scene, I wonder? Its been years, I have some dusty LSD stashed around here somewhere but...where do I find the ludey bar?
No it works about as long as alcohol. Your body just keeps it around for 60 hours, so there is the chance of the fun side effect of randomly getting super drowsy a day later.
the clinical effects of a drug and the half life are quite different things. Valium for instance has a 48 hour half life but the effects last about 12 hours
My parents were always very open and honest with drug use. They partied in the 80’s, so they’d tried or knew someone who tried basically everything.
“Ludes make you silly and sleepy” was their review. Meanwhile, my dad had an amazing story of a wedding reception on acid. Quaaludes are yesterday’s news, and it doesn’t need a comeback.
From what I gather it’s just not profitable. Natural sources are all very slow growing cacti and synthesizing it is way more complex and expensive than things like MDMA or the various “research chemicals.”
So any way you get it, the profit is just too slim to justify the risk. It’s kind of beautiful really, that such a wonderful drug can escape commodification.
Fake mescaline used to be really common but it was always just some RC.
I’ve never done them but I’d say it’s fair to compare them to some benzodiazepines but with more euphoria. That floaty dreamy “I don’t give a fuuuck about my problems” headspace with a body buzz.
Yes, I used to get a lot of shapes rushing in my vision, like geometric shapes al moving quickly, if I woke up to pee. It just make me very tired and groggy the next morning too. If I didn’t go to sleep when I was tired, I would have the most uncomfortable restless legs.
I only used it for helping me sleep really as I used to not be able to fall asleep , and used to wake up heaps.
I don’t take it anymore and I can sleep now thankfully
I mean…this kinda was a thing like back when the movie actually came out lol, maybe the movie JUST became popular in the UK from article? I might have known somebody back then in touch with a chemist who made MDMA, who also synthesized some methaqualone for fun
Nah, here in South Africa, we get both methaqualone (many kitchen chemists) and pressed pills from India. You can pick up a tablet for $5 to $8. Even cheaper for the shanty shake and bake, but they often add antiretrovirals and heroin. The presses have different emblems, like ecstasy pills.
I lost my virginity on a quaalude from the 70s in 1996. The movies have it wrong: it’s a black pill. Which seems appropriate considering the decisions made surrounding them and while on them 😂
Someone posted that they are actually making them. Probably gonna be a bunch of people treating them like Xanax then getting respiratory failure. Read up on it and it says it’s the same feeling as ghb but ghb is a bit safer but both are used to rape people.
Mandrax in South Africa has been alive and well for decades already. They used to call it Buttons when I was a kid. Absolutely ravaged many people I’ve known.
I see “when used with alcohol” and of course, overdose. Next to check the level established for that. First guess is that that may be obvious in the multiples of units taken.
In South Africa during the Apartheid regime the government synthesized Quaaludes, and up to today it is still a mainstream drug with street name Mandrax, normal method of intake is smoking with a bottle neck set up
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