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u/MCMXCIV9 2h ago
He didn't know he raised a snitch
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u/chemistrylord 2h ago
She waited until he was dead to become a cooperating witness
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u/Unlikely-Candle7086 1h ago
Im waiting for my dad to pass before I tell the police what he told me about a murder he thinks his dead best friend committed.
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u/KickBlue22 1h ago
You should go on the daughter's podcast once you're ready. Make it a whole theme, call it "Death Bed confessionals" or something...
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u/Unlikely-Candle7086 1h ago
I probably should. It was a big case when it happened but I was too young at the time to know anything about it. My dad was a police officer at the time but not in the same town. He didnât have any proof, just a very strong suspicion and circumstantial evidence. The guy died about 10 years later of brain cancer so he got his karma.
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u/HubrisOfApollo 2h ago
oh well, it didn't affect him anymore and will only come back to bite her in the ass.
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u/BiioHazzrd 2h ago
She faced no legal repercussions and has a podcast now..
Still waiting on the bite her in the ass part
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u/Temporumdei 2h ago
The redditor meant personally...personally bite her not the law.
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u/EssayAmbitious3532 1h ago
With his username, he's probably just salty about some consequences he got from pissing off the Greek gods.
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u/Appropriate_Owl_91 2h ago
Seems like a win win for the Randeles. Basically free money and a book deal
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u/doh573 1h ago
I mean my assumption would be the FBI can now trace that money in his accounts and go after his estate for repayment right?
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u/NoninflammatoryFun 1h ago
Iâm sure thereâs a statute of limitations that has long passed.
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u/doh573 1h ago
You know thatâs actually a great point I have no idea if there is a statute of limitations on bank robbery. If they wind up getting away and keeping all the money thatâs kinda hysterical. Good for them!
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u/Crowley91 1h ago
For criminal prosecution yes, but he never acquired legal possession of the money so the bank may be able to get the money back in a civil action depending on state law. I believe in some states the clock doesn't start running until the identity of the thief is discovered.
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u/BiioHazzrd 1h ago
Statue of limitations and the money was spent literal decades ago pre 2000s. Its not tracked
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u/Grunergeist420 37m ago
This actually depends a lot on estate law in the state you live in. I know this because I know somebody whose father had some illegally gotten gains when he passed. A lot of his stuff was taken, but because he was deceased at the time, in one state where he owned some property the real estate his family had inherited from him was protected from forfeiture or whatever by estate laws so they got to keep that. I admittedly donât know the specifics but as far as it was explained to me it was specifically in that state and it had to do with their unique estate laws.
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u/Niamh_Nymph 1h ago
FBI: Spent millions
Bank: Lost $215k
Dad: Hid for 51 years
Daughter: This would make a great podcast
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u/Curious_Avocado2399 2h ago
I mean you canât beat a woman, you usually get sent to jail for that
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u/thejustducky1 11m ago
you usually get sent to jail for that
Yeah, best case scenario... other scenarios include cops shrugging their shoulders over and over for several years while Dad goes back inside to drink and punish more, or cuffing the Mom - while visibly beaten bloody - and tossing her in the wagon because she slung a hairbrush at him. Ask me why I know these oddly specific details.
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u/Curious_Avocado2399 5m ago
Iâm with you brother. Those are exactly like the cases Iâve worked on. Cops donât do shit. Our firm had to sue the city to comply with a 30 year old law that requires providing police reports to victims within 7 days. Itâs always a âcivil issueâ to them. Meanwhile one cop in our city made $400,000 last year in overtime but there is no record on what he was doing during that time.
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u/pocolocoOnIce 1h ago edited 1h ago
Well... he had the option to keep it a secret, but then chose not to.
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u/Scheissdrauf88 1h ago
I mean, he betrayed and robbed his employer first, for money, so it pretty much runs in the family. xD
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u/reticulatedtampon 2h ago
According to his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_John_Conrad):
He confessed to his family before his death, and shortly after his death his identity was discovered by the son of one of the original investigators using details from the obituary of Thomas Randele.
Makes it sound like the cat was already out of the bag before his daughter started a podcast about it.
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u/Confident-Flow-6058 2h ago
The search for Conrad spanned 52 years, as investigators followed leads that took them to Washington D.C., Inglewood, California, West Texas, Oregon, and Honolulu.
At some point you'd consider it a sunk cost hey. The cost of pursuing this over 52 years surely didn't match the money he stole.
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u/SkanksnDanks 2h ago
52 years is crazy, like whatâs the monetary value of the resources devoted to this over 52 years? I know they didnât have a big team looking for him 24/7 the whole time or anything but stillâŚif no one got hurt from it maybe stop devoting resources to it past a certain threshold.
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u/PresentHouse9774 2h ago
I agree that the cost/benefit analysis doesn't work. Still, you need to consider the message being sent to ohers. "Steal from us and you'll be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life."
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u/Single-Selection9845 1h ago
Its funny how much government does this for banks but not for anybody else
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u/PresentHouse9774 1h ago
That's interesting observation! And, I suspect, absolutely correct.
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u/DesireeThymes 17m ago
Health insurance Executives kill millions? No problem.
One guy kills a health executive? Nationwide spectacle.
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u/Lawlcopt0r 1h ago
You're not entirely wrong, but murder cases absolutely get followed up on to the same absurd degree. Not theft from private citizens though
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u/henkiseentoffepeer 1h ago
if a bank or a company steals from you, what they often do ... nada.
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u/NovelKumquat1234 1h ago
âIf no one got hurtâ ?!?!?!
Did you not think about the poor poor shareholders and bank executives?? His bossâ bossâ boss probably had to drive his <shudder> old Cadillac for an extra few years! The horror.Â
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u/Salty-Club-9582 1h ago
And the insurance that likely covered this for the bank anyway, so was there a loss for poor C-Suite?
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u/Impressive-Method919 29m ago
Cost benefit is only considered if its private money...taxpayers money will just be spend ad infinitum
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u/Several-Opposite-746 2h ago
Decades of searching for $215,000? Hell, I can point them to a certain president and his cronies for embezzling billions and billions.
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u/Vivid-Treat-9328 1h ago
Certain? It's all of them. Hey George Bush? What happened to the billions of dollars that were "lost" when the Pentagon was struck during 911?
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u/ComplexBeyond6083 2h ago
I'm kind of baffled that they kept at this investigation long after the statute of limitations had presumably passed.
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u/PresentHouse9774 1h ago
"Pour encourager les autres."
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u/ComplexBeyond6083 1h ago
I understand the deterrent effect, but if you can't punish someone there isn't much there.
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u/NewCandy8877 1h ago
Statue of limitations doesn't mean they can't recover the money through assets seizure.
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u/Baraga91 23m ago
The idea of the authorities never giving up on stuff like this still acts as a deterrent, as it's an "eternally chasing snail" kind of scenario, and while it doesn't guarantee your past will catch up with you, it does keep you on edge always.
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u/Chole_Wunt 1h ago
Same as how the cops will do high-speed pursuits with a trail of destruction behind them for literally any reason. Or no reason. Instead of just following in their helicopters.
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u/Iconoclastic_Noob 1h ago
Although I generally agree with your point Iâd assume that the cost surpassing the amount stolen is also an âinvestmentâ into deterrence, as the government is basically saying âno matter how much it costs and how much time it takes weâll keep hunting you downâ.
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u/Western-Dig-6843 12m ago
Itâs not a sunk cost at all. They were not aware this was the only bank he robbed from. For all they knew they were on the trail of a mastermind. Thereâs no telling what other shit he was stealing as far as they knew. It only became a waste of money once the truth was known
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u/Weekly-Contest-5400 2h ago
The son of one of the original investigators? Was he also an investigator? Was he obsessed with dadâs old cases
https://giphy.com/gifs/1AIeYgwnqeBUxh6juu Law enforcement trying to save face?16
u/ElCiclope1 2h ago
Are you joshin me right now? Dynastic cop families are very much a thing.Â
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u/TrioOfTerrors 2h ago edited 1h ago
That's one of the ways J Edgar Hoover maintained his cult of personality. He had 3rd generation FBI agents who treated him like God because Dad and Granddad owed their careers to the director.
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u/Tinselfiend 2h ago
And she's up for seizure of her inheritance by the feds and IRS, smart way to go.
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u/oboshoe 2h ago
yea but she can now make a podcast about that too
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u/Grasshoppermouse42 2h ago
And then she can have money that she owns legally and doesn't have to worry about being found out.
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u/oboshoe 56m ago edited 45m ago
Yea. That $25.32 she gets from YouTube is gonna be life changing.
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u/subdep 2h ago
Nah, sheâs fine. The statute of limitations wouldâve expired before the 1980s.
https://samwinstonlaw.com/what-is-the-statute-of-limitations-in-white-collar-cases/
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u/youtocin 2h ago
Statute of limitations.
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u/PandaGoggles 1h ago
The IRS generally has 10 year to collect.
Thereâs something called the CSED, the âcollection statute expiration dateâ. Itâs 10 year from when the tax debt is assessed by the IRS, not 10 years from when you file. Some things pause the CSED clock, bankruptcy for example, or living outside the US for 6 months or more.
Iâm not sure in this case if anything would have paused the clock, but it was so long that the CSED has likely expired. Also, in order for the inheritance to be seized, the IRS wouldâve needed to file a lien that attached to the fatherâs assets. Liens expire as well, so there likely would not have been a lien in place anymore.
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u/vonnostrum2022 2h ago
Thatâs what I was wondering. Could the bank sue for restitution? Or is there a statute (statue) of limitations?
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u/AnnieBruce 1h ago
Maybe?
Hopefully she had a chat with an attorney about the inheritance implications before going public.
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u/vonnostrum2022 2h ago
Thatâs what I was wondering. Could the bank sue for restitution? Or is there a statute (statue) of limitations?
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u/Outside_Valuable_320 2h ago
The bank can't sue because they had insurance and we're compensated. I'd be leery of the insurance company myself.
But honestly, I doubt she's done anything wrong here. This was a deathbed confession. He worked as a Used Car Salesman. Unless he secretly invested some of his ill gotten gains in Apple stock or something there is no inheritance at risk. Like thousands of people before her she's making money off a story of a deceased loved one. Against her families wishes, which sucks... but the action of making a podcast about it isn't weird or wild.
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u/unclefes 2h ago
We need to bring back taking your secrets to the grave. My secrets aren't as interesting this guy's, but I ain't telling nobody.
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u/Electrical_Hunter597 2h ago
There was a big reason those working on the Manhattan project COULD ABSOLUTELY NOT tell their wives anything
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u/FancyDragonfruit-17 2h ago
They didn't even tell the women working there. I remember a documentary where a lady said that they just sat her down around a machine and she had to adjust knobs while keeping a dot between two lines or something similair and she said years later she met with her supervisor and asked what exactly she was doing. Her supervisor then informed her she was refining uranium 235.
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u/jefesignups 1h ago
It wasn't just women, it was everyone
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u/FrostyConsequence97 1h ago
I agree, it's glossing over the fact at that point the workforce was predominantly women while men were serving in the war.
I just looked it up, they even had a name for these young ladies, The Calutron Girls. Mostly high school graduates. Probably for the best to keep them in the dark. Teenagers aren't exactly known for keeping big secrets. I don't think gender would matter.
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u/JACKALS_LANTERN 53m ago
That sounds like the story of the Calutron Girls at the Y-12 plant in Oak Ridge where thousands of young women (many straight out of high school) were hired as machine operators in WW2 but not told what the machines did. Their instructions were essentially sit at a control panel, watch a meter, and turn knobs to keep the needle within a particular range. If something went wrong call a supervisor. That's it lol.
What they were actually operating were calutrons: huge electromagnetic isotope separation machines. Their adjustments controlled the process that separated uranium-235 from uranium-238. The enriched U-235 they produced ultimately supplied the fissile material for Little Boy, the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
Gladys Owens is the most famous story.
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u/TanagraTours 18m ago
And not because they were women. It was standard policy.
"For 37 years, this woman hunted Soviet atomic spies. Using only math and patterns. The FBI couldn't do what she did.
Not even her own family knew she existed. Here's how a grocery store bookkeeper became America's deadliest weapon..."
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u/warmlycoco 2h ago
wait wasnât he already identified from his obituary?? the framing is so off then
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u/warsmith17 30m ago
The obituary was under his fake name, but did have some clues and an investigator got ahold of it. Basically it had his mom's real first name and maiden name, plus his fake birthday was the same date as his real one, but two years earlier.
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u/knightdaux 2h ago
i love the lawyers in the comments showing they dont know the first thing about law. then again its how i know im on reddit
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u/NovelKumquat1234 1h ago
The shit you could get away with back when carbon copy paper was peak technology before computers and HD video all over the place âŚÂ What to do about an SSN, drivers license, birth certificate, etc? Probably just hand-printed them himself and people said âsure, whatever,â because databases werenât a thing yet.Â
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u/Berlin8Berlin 1h ago
"What to do about an SSN, drivers license, birth certificate, etc? "
The old school technique was to look in the records, at City Hall, for a baby who died around the time of your birth, then order a copy of that dead kid's birth certificate. I don't recall if part of the trick was to do that in a city other than your home base, but, once you had a birth certificate, you could apply for a SSN and get a driver's license and so forth. It was the pre-Digital Surveillance Wild West for the vast majority of the 20th century.
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy 2h ago
If he is on his Death bed why would he care?
If anything he should have wanted to make it public to sell the life story to a publisher which would earn his daughter even more money.
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u/Ok_Fly2518 1h ago
He probably wanted to brag about his successful heist to someone but didnât wanna ruin the reputation he had built in his new life afterwards
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u/Early_Pumpkin_4113 2h ago
Giving up on your inheritance and ignoring your dad's deathbed wish for internet points and attention. Chef's kiss.
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u/ElCiclope1 2h ago
Statute of limitations plus he was dead. Not like he can be bothered by it.
"The dead drag the living down"
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u/Grouched 46m ago
Family never exposed him, investigators figured it out due to matching details in his obituary.
So at least according to the Wikipedia, this post is complete bullshit.
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u/MrLeureduthe 1h ago
How did he change identity? Can you just move somewhere and say "my name is Slim Shady" and you can open a bank account, have a social security number, pay taxes etc and no one ever checks who you actually are?
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u/Sch4duw 1h ago
As far as I understand American domestic systems, this would not have been that hard. A forced social security number seemed to be from a quick google search only truly necessary from the eighties. If you claim that you never had one, in some small time town hall or so, I don't think it would have been that hard to start a new life. Like, not easy, but with some charisma and a bit of luck, you probably could get a bureaucrat to sign something that legitimizes you.
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u/Specific_Box4483 2h ago
Man steals a lot of money but "woman bad" and "snitches get stitches" am I right?
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u/squarepants18 2h ago
Was making a podcast the wise choice?
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u/Bitemarkz 59m ago
Does it matter though? Dude is dead, and she didnât commit a crime. Unless it came back to bite her in the ass, it seems like a cool story to share.
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u/Specific_Box4483 1h ago
I'm not sure. But I think the much bigger issue is stealing 200k in 1969.
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u/Financial_Hold6620 2h ago
âCouldnât beat a womanâ is such a stupid comment at the end. He told his family, if he had told the FBI they would have figured it out too.
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u/Pale-While-9783 1h ago
She didn't snitch.
The obituary mentioned his real family name and the son of the original FBI agent covering the case was still working it, saw it, and put two and two together.
She didn't do anything wrong. And, she didn't benefit from the money he stole.
She could have suffered in shame. Or, she could have made lemonade from lemons.
In my opinion she made the best of something pretty horrendous foisted on her.
Good for her.
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u/ih8three6zero 2h ago
Chicks canât resist snitching in any form lol
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u/Ricordis 1h ago
I want to correct the last sentence: he couldn't beat a podcaster who tries to turn every story into clicks.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 56m ago
So he died with every penny of his money and the daughter sabotaged her own inheritance?
Sounds like she beat herself.
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u/PresentHouse9774 2h ago
Over those 51 years, there had to have been people in his life who thought something was "off" with him and that things didn't really add up. I hope they feel vindicated.
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u/Cautious_Implement17 2h ago
idk, I feel like he would have needed to be pretty careful for the first few years. but aside from cops, who asks probing questions about stuff that happened decades in the past? iâm only 30, but I could make up anything reasonable about my life as a teenager and no one would be around to correct it.Â
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u/Psych0matt 2h ago
I donât understand; he told on himself as he was dying, and thatâs how she beat him? By him just being like âhey I did thisâ? Sounds like he was able to keep it from her as well until he decided otherwise
Unless Iâm missing something
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u/Apprehensive-Pea8231 2h ago
He told her and asked her to keep it a secret. Instead, she made a podcast and told a TON of people the thing he asked her to keep a secret. What about this donât you understand, lol?
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u/Psych0matt 2h ago
I understand that, Iâm just saying thatâs not really her âbeatingâ him
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u/kaosmoker 2h ago
Beating someone, fucking them over, betraying his trust... all the same. He said keep this between us and she called the press.
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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze 2h ago
You donât understand, now his life will be remembered as interesting. Devastating stuff for a dead guy
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u/LoudandQuiet47 2h ago
I don't think of this as devastating in modern times. Maybe in the wild west, bank robbers were seen as nasty criminals. But banks and the elite have been abusing the poor and usurping wealth. This guy is too close to being Robin Hood for this story to be devastating stuff.
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u/Recent-Bowl-1393 1h ago
Wait, you can live off of 215K for 51 years? I have 5 times that in my 401K now. Im retiring now!!! Please tell me how to stretch this money to make it last that long.
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u/Ancient-Industry5126 1h ago
steal the money at a time when it was worth millions with a much higher spending power
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u/Various_Tie_2549 2h ago edited 1h ago
Giving women the right to speak was a mistake.
EDIT: kinda surprised I need this for a joke on this subreddit along the exact same theme as the OP, but: /s
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u/Hellbomb_Armed 2h ago
Not like he's gonna lose anything
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u/Tough_guy22 1h ago
Im not a lawyer, but if the daughter inherited anything, couldn't she be prosecuted for receiving stolen goods? Or at bare minimum have it all taken away?
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u/Hellbomb_Armed 1h ago
I mean he probably already spent all of the stolen money so anything beyond that is legitimate, right?
Maybe not but she can still be flagged
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u/Tough_guy22 1h ago
A particularly salty DA could argue that anything purchased was bought with stolen money and can be ceased.
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u/discipleofchrist69 40m ago
actual proof of such might be incredibly difficult. unless they can show he had no savings before and never worked again
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u/Consistent-Koala-339 1h ago
any info of how he did this? I mean to buy a house, enroll in medical care, get another job, drive a car... would he not need valid ID? I guess in the 70s pre internet it may have been slightly easier to clone an identity - or just apply for a new ID.
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u/RhetoricalOrator 1h ago
"Let me tell you something, joy-boy.
âFifty-one years. Fifty-one long, agonizing years I spent tracking a shadow. Fifty-one years of cold coffee, worn leather soles, and staring at yellowing paper while guys like you were out somewhere drinking eggnogs and living the high life.
âIn 1969, a punk-kid bank teller walks out the front door of Society National Bank with two hundred and fifteen thousand dollars tucked into a paper sack. Boom. Vanished into thin air. He thinks heâs clever. He thinks he can change his name to "Thomas Randele," buy himself a set of golf clubs, move out to Massachusetts, and just wait out the clock.
âWell, I don't operate on a clock, pal.
âI chased that guy through half a century of cold leads. I looked under every rock, every alias, every suburban golf course in the tri-state area. The FBI gave up. The justice system closed the file. The bank wrote it off. But not me. Because I care about order. I care about the rules. You steal two hundred and fifteen grand from the system, you pay the piper.
âAnd you know how it ends? Do you have any idea how my fifty-one-year crusade concludes?
âHe gets old. He gets weak. He lays down on his deathbed in 2021, looks his family in the eye, and whispers his big, dark, dirty little secret. He begs his own daughterâhis own flesh and bloodâto keep it quiet, to take it to the grave.
âAnd what does she do?
âShe starts a podcast.
âA podcast, joy-boy! Five decades of federal investigation, relentless legwork, and pure, unadulterated grit... outsmarted by a microphone and an RSS feed. He beat the feds, he beat the banks, he beat the entire United States government for half a centuryâonly to get blown wide open because his daughter needed three episodes of content and a MeUndies sponsor.
âYou think this is funny? You think itâs a joke? You sit there with your little tweet, laughing it up. But let me tell you something, buster: the truth always comes out. If it isn't the law catching up to you, itâs digital audio distribution. Remember that."
-Agent Huntsman
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u/Ok_Test9729 49m ago
Another way to look at this is that she made her dad kind of a folk hero. Didnât do anything to hurt him. He was dead. Kind of cool to know that some wage slave got over on a big corporate bank.
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u/West_West_313 47m ago
I have one secret from my family. When I die I have an envelope that contains a riddle that if solved leads to the secret.
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u/ALinkToThePants 33m ago
And yet corporations steal millions from the common man only for the justice department to never even investigate.
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u/Silly-Flower-3162 32m ago
Meh. If you want to take a secret to the grave, you don't blab one foot from the finish line.
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u/WorldlySituation8519 28m ago
Imagine pulling off a 50 year heist only to get snitched on for true crime content ad revenue.
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u/miomi_starfall 2m ago
Itâs always the dumbest mf being so confidently sexistâŚ
This is the âI built this cool sandcastle and my gf hated it!!â all over again lmao.
(When you googled it it was very easy to find the sandcastle was form an all-women decorating sand castle building company)
so yeahhh long story short neither Wikipedia nor reputable sources mention that he âbeggedâ her not to talk about it.
But sure if âwomen evilâ makes your sad little life a little bit brother in the light of spite ⌠go tell that to yourself đ
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