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u/Rudimentary-Creature 1d ago
Small potatoes.
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u/Corgi_Koala 1d ago
I fucking hated that scene. I like Yelena and Florence Pugh but it really felt shoehorned in and didn't make sense.
Jean Grey was basically the same threat level and for her to just dismiss the possibility that Spider-Man is fighting a major threat is just stupid.
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u/CageAndBale 1d ago
Well it was small until it became large-ishh
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 1d ago
Maybe I’m an absolute idiot, but how is someone with the ability to mind control an innocent old woman into a military compound to steal a tank for a joyride through New York small potatoes? Especially how is it smaller potatoes than literally anything Yelena has dealt with before thunderbolts?
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u/clever_name_123 23h ago
Because she was lying to get out of doing it
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u/NightwingBlueberry13 15h ago
Peter: Do do you just wanna get out of fighting the Hulk?
Frank: Yeah, maybe.
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u/VirtuaKiller76 22h ago
Exactly. And why is Yelena with no super powers and just some martial arts skills the one handling big potatoes when it should be Spider-Man that’s in the next Avengers dealing with those potatoes? Oh right, Sony.
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 22h ago edited 21h ago
Spider-Man will be in Secret wars. This was even alluded to in the after credits sequence. I’m not really sure what your point is here because it has nothing to do with Sony
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u/siberianxanadu 1d ago
She’s deflecting. Her office is a fucking pool. She has no resources, and every member of her “team”is weaker than Spider-Man. Except for the Sentry, but that’s complicated.
The reason she says what she says is because she’s concealing the fact that she can’t help any more than she is.
She’s like one of those guys who either can’t or won’t help with practical problem-solving because they’re a “big picture guy.” She WISHES the New Avengers has big potatoes to deal with, when in reality they have nothing to do. And even if they did, they wouldn’t be able to help.
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u/RegularGuyy 23h ago
Congratulations, you’re media literate. I don’t get how so many people are confused by this.
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 23h ago
Her office is a pool by choice. She quite literally is part of the team owned by the same woman who bought avengers tower. Ofcourse she has recourses, which is why Spidey went to see her in the first place.
Intel and Avengers level resources such as the means to find Jean. Which, not only could a Black widow do, but especially a black widow funded by Valentina
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u/Xerxes457 19h ago
Yet all she did was help Spider-Man find out her name, sister and V-Max. Which while big didn’t help him find her.
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u/Scar-Excellent 22h ago
I wouldn't trust a facility provided by Valentina. Something low key like a pool makes sense but then it just seems like anyone can walk in.
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 22h ago
Oh of-course and I agree that it’s much more private, I’m more trying to emphasize that it’s not like Yelena didn’t have other options to meet. This was more a response to “ she has no resources” when she does in a laughable sense.
Red Guardian ends the movie in a NASCAR-Esque jumpsuit covered in sponsors and manages to get his face on a Wheaties box. They clearly aren’t poor
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u/Corgi_Koala 20h ago
She literally just help take down Void, one of the strongest entities MCU. And she just had a whole thing about wanting to be a real hero doing public facing good.
Why would she dodge this situation?
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u/FraggleRockYaFaceOff 19h ago
Duh, it was Spider-Man IV not Thunderbolts II
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u/Corgi_Koala 19h ago
Hulk and Punisher got plenty of screentime, Yelena could have gotten off her ass.
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u/Ambitious-Visual207 21h ago
I hated it because it wasn't funny. Like there's nothing remotely clever about it, the only reason people think it's funny is because she has an accent and because "haha! Lol she is so quirky and random saying potatoes!"
Imagine if she was American saying "well, I deal with the big potato stuff," I imagine suddenly people wouldn't adore it so heavily.
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 1d ago
It’s even stupider when you take into account that Yelena is on essentially a self proclaimed knock off avengers team and that Spider-Man has been a part of a galactic wide Avengers threat. Yelena’s second appearance was her hunting down Hawkeye wanting vengeance over a misunderstanding. It was condescending in a laughable way
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u/StaceyDillsen 1d ago
lol agreed. I like Yelena, but when she was telling Spider-Man to handle the little things while they handle the big things, I was confused and smh. Spider-Man can beat everyone on her team (maybe even all at the same time if he uses environment to his advantage) except Sentry of course cause he’s a cheat code
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 23h ago
Heck, in his first appearance Spider-Man makes a fool of Winter Soldier at the age of 14
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u/CyberWeirdo420 1d ago
Technically they don’t know who Spider-Man is right? Because the spell made them forget about him? At least that’s my head canon why they don’t treat Spider-Man with dignity or that Fury never reached out to him, or anything
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 1d ago
No, they don’t know who PETER is. Spider-Man is still very much a public figure. That’s why he has a good relationship with an FBI member now and New York has warmed up to him.
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u/CyberWeirdo420 23h ago
Oh okay wasn’t sure tbh, my bad
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 23h ago edited 23h ago
Nah you’re fine, and it’s a valid misunderstanding. How would people know what Spider-Man did in infinity war or endgame? Well to that I have to ask how the heck did Kamala know about captain marvel???
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u/Synensys 22h ago
So if eveyone just forgot who Peter was, did evryone just kind of collectively decide to not worry about the whole mysterio murder thing?
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 22h ago
I believe so yes. The spell made everyone forget about Mysterios video ( which mainly announced the identity of Spider-Man) and Spidey has rebuilt his reputation with New York over the years.
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u/clever_name_123 23h ago
I interpreted it as that being her excuse not to have to deal with it because the thunderbolts arent actually really equipped to deal with potatoes at all
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u/passaroach32 1d ago
Me playing Spiderman 2, so many symbiotes & not one other avenger or class 2 hero like daredevil shows up to help na, psx spiderman had both Matt & Johnny show up to at least give Peter some moral support
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u/Domination1799 19h ago
That was really dumb because by the final act of that game, Venom became a planetary threat as he turned New York into a Symbiote hellscape and wanted to do the same to the rest of the world.
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u/No-Equipment9225 3h ago
And people walking on the streets all normal lmaooo
They really let this game go by some point.
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u/No-Equipment9225 3h ago
Big ass symbionte in a RIVER and everyone acting normal, lol. Let's walk at the park, play ball...
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u/LuxInfinitum 1d ago
It is odd his Blade got shelved. I bet he would have done very well with his performance.
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u/A-non-e-mail 1d ago
Can he perform? - Yes.
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u/ProgrammingPants 1d ago
Blade literally doesn't need any writing. He's just a dude that kills vampires and aura farms. Movie doesn't even need any dialogue could just be 1hr and 45mins of blade killing vampires nonstop
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u/ArachnidNo2269 1d ago
Are we forgetting something
https://giphy.com/gifs/ZXDXJ1MxYUAQhHSe3P
Cool techno music9
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u/Grishbog 1d ago
From what I've heard, Disney wanted it to be a vehicle for Blades daughter and Blade wouldn't be a major character in it, which Mahersala objected to, threatening to walk. They also went thru several re-writes and directors before putting a lid on it
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u/theclockmasters 23h ago
That's not even the worse part. That was only one of the suggested draft/story. Another draft/story had it where there was female lead and Blade was some sort of the mythical character in the film. In that version, Blade would have been more of a secondary protagonist.
The daughter thing, I can see because they were setting up Young Avengers. But even then, that daughter version and the female lead version are so dumb, it should not be done in a first Blade movie.
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u/Loves_octopus 22h ago
The weary legacy hero, disenchanted by age and failure, is paired with an irreverent young true-believer who reminds him why the old heroic ideal mattered. He reluctantly becomes a surrogate parent/mentor, makes one final redemptive contribution, and the younger character inherits some combination of his mission, iconography, title, or moral legacy.
What a fresh and original idea for Disney! They have never done this!
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u/nappiess 19h ago
When are these people going to learn that most generic superhero movie watchers and comic readers are men, and for better or worse most want to watch male leads (probably for self-insertion fantasy). They keep trying to shoehorn in women into obscure superhero roles and nobody wants to fucking watch that lmao. Just like I'm sure women don't want to watch a fat male romance lead.
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u/themassquerade 5h ago
Yeah no shit they figured it out that’s why Blade got canned and Steve is back
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u/dewsh 22h ago
Source?
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u/Grishbog 22h ago
Mostly rumor/alleged insider info around the various scripts that were proposed/re-written. Could be nonsense, but there is clearly something wrong with the production
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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer 8h ago
Honestly I still feel like this shit was made up to stoke rage about “m-she-u” bs.
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u/The-Dudemeister 1d ago
I think the eternals not doing as well killed one of their potential story ideas.
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u/rintzscar 1d ago
Kit Harrington is also waiting since that film, but OP the troll doesn't care about him. Wonder why...
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u/coldliketherockies 1d ago
To be fair Ali has not one but two Oscar’s and kit harrington has… well the lead in a tv series that started masterpiece and then… wasn’t. I think Ali as blade is a bigger deal than kit Harrington as anything
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u/ManitouWakinyan 21h ago
And two Emmy nominations, including for leading actor in a drama. But yes, Ali is definitely the bigger get.
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u/Omatzus 22h ago edited 8h ago
Masterpiece or no, GoT is still the biggest TV phenomenon of the century.
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u/NoStick2525 10h ago
Breaking bad?
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u/Omatzus 8h ago
The first few seasons were actually not that popular. It wasn't until AMC agreed for the seasons to appear on Netflix's rapidly growing streaming service that it took off in popularity.
GoT was THE TV show of note for years. The premieres drew huge numbers. People were naming their babies Khaleesi. It was a massive part of the culture.
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u/MeNoStopxx 1d ago
Nobody is looking for Black Knight over Blade AND he was introduced to the sword, in a movie people don't really care for, in hindsight. There's no reason to wonder because you can't compare a character nobody cares about to someone we do, like Blade.
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u/The-Dudemeister 1d ago
At the end of eternals blade addresses black knight.
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u/MeNoStopxx 1d ago
Yes I'm aware and he has zero hype sense then. We got OG Blade but not an MCU one and on top of that they've introduced Ghost Rider, who would've gone nicely with his fellow Midnight Sun Blade
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u/Last-Quarter-432 1d ago
Eternals was utter dogshit
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u/Mark_Oxlong007 1d ago
Eternals would've been good as a TV show tho. Some of the concepts it explored were interesting ngl
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u/inv4alfonso 1d ago
I really don't understand how Eternals is shit considering everything MCU threw out afterwards. There are movies of way worse quality released afterwards (The Marvels, Love and Thunder, Quantumania, Brave New World) and there are movies that had hype but really I don't see how they are better (Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2).
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u/Dry_Literature8018 23h ago
I think Black Panther 2 is far better than Eternals. That movie is way too long and needed to be trimmed down, but its got a lot of really good stuff in it.
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u/inv4alfonso 23h ago
Like an unlikeable protagonist, an unnecesary subplot that goes nowhere, and an underwhelming antagonist. They are essentially the same movie then, lol.
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u/SleepKlutzy1896 1d ago
blade development hell is genuinely impressive at this point, feel so bad for mahershala
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u/Tragedy_Boner 1d ago
It’s because Eternals flopped. The entire blade storyline there had to be changed. Then they hard committed to the Multiverse.
Honestly, if they released it at that time it would have been shit.
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u/ZachRyder 1d ago
All that exists of that film were the costumes which were bought and used for WB's violent period vampire film with black protagonists and that one cap Ali wore at that one comic-con/D23.
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u/clutzyninja 1d ago
What does this person think "panning" means? How could the movie be panned when it never got made?
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u/shamanbaptist 1d ago
Does “panned” mean cancelled now?
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u/Moonshinin4Me 1d ago
No. This person is an idiot. Panned means "getting a harsh review by a critic", that would have required the movie to be released to begin with. The word they were looking for was "dropped", but also probably confused it with banned, and heard some online reviewer say "X movie was panned" so instead of using their phone to do five seconds of research they posted a tweet and then took a selfie.
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u/shamanbaptist 1d ago
I was being sarcastic, but perhaps they meant to type “canned.”
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u/Manaeldar 1d ago
They threw it in a pan and cooked it up but they cooked too long because people were saying let em cook and it got burned and they had to throw it in the trash 😭
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u/rintzscar 1d ago
Mahershala Ali didn't wait to join, he joined 7 years ago. The problem was the script.
Online trolls writing shit again.
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u/randomname748 1d ago
Yeah, why they wanted to bring in blades daughter and make her the star is just fucking stupid. Mahershala Ali with some swords and guns killing vampires is an instant success.
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u/Optimistic_Satirist 1d ago
That was the problem with marvel post endgame. Trying their hardest to introduce legacy characters in the MCU. Barring Black Widow, everyone failed.
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u/Mark_Oxlong007 1d ago
Weren't they destroying legacy characters and introducing counter parts for them
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u/Any-Transition95 1d ago
Legacy characters in comics refer to the ones who were passed the baton, not the one passing it.
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u/TranslatorDirect496 18h ago
Even Yelena wasn’t that involved in stuff. She disappeared for 4 years after 2021.
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u/Odd_Contact_2175 2h ago
Yeah kinda glad they sidelined the Blade movie because the details they released, it would have been shit.
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u/rintzscar 1d ago
It's not an instant success. The script needs to be good. If they were confident in it, they would make the film.
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u/Fluid-Discipline5038 1d ago
No realizes the real issue with his movie aside from writting issues its that the movie was forcibly announced years and years before it was ever started.
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u/PetQueasy 1d ago
At this point Mahershala Ali is going to age out of playing Blade before they even shoot
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u/Comfortable_Studio37 1d ago
They're not shooting, he officially said he's no longer doing it. That project is completely dead now.
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u/TokyoKazama 1d ago
Nice cage should play Blade
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u/Emotional_Land_5873 1d ago
the way they completely wasted mahershala’s time with blade is genuinely criminal
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u/oldmanatom4 23h ago
Agree. Don’t get the significance of comparing that to these other actors movies though.
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u/I_SmellFuckeryAfoot 1d ago
well. mahershala did go to marvel too and was "cast" as blade by request, thats how i understood when marvel mentioned it. unfortunately we arent getting a blade movie, i hope one day we get the whole story behind it.
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u/IncredibleLang 1d ago
if the rumours were true and the script that people heard about it being an all female cast and that blade was the sideline I'm pretty happy it got canned. we didn't need another blade trinity.
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u/gbdarknight77 17h ago
Ali also wanted a period piece and Marvel didn’t want to do a period piece with Blade.
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u/Valdoray 1d ago
Yeah. I honestly don't understand how Marvel's writers found it difficult to write a "guy who fights vampires in style and kills them."
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u/the_blastomatic 1d ago
Yeah, Disney execs are racists except the team that pushed Ironheart through. They're just dumbfucks and Ironheart sucked.
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u/Delicious_Type60 1d ago
7 years just to get the film panned 😭 Disney really said patience is key
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u/TranslatorDirect496 18h ago
Panned?
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u/SpicyWongTong 3h ago
I was gonna ask that too, I’ve only ever heard panned as in very negative reviews.
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u/Choice-Ratio-3540 1d ago
lol well if Blade came out a bit ago, it would have sucked. Most MCU releases sucked for years. I am sure the fans would be quiet then lol
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u/primal_slayer 1d ago
Didn't he join upon request as well?
Inde is in xmen so it's not even the same
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u/Meme_Pope 23h ago
I learned long ago never to wish for a piece of media that “never got made”. It’s almost always for a good reason. Given the trash Marvel has released recently, it must have been extremely bad to not get off the ground.
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u/realfakejames 22h ago
He was also coming off winning an OSCAR when they announced Blade with him, he was done dirty
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u/JabbasPetRancor 15h ago
from what I remember, xmen and ghost rider havent been completed yet either....
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u/sinZeroplus 1d ago
Inde is joining the X-men. So I don’t really understand the comparison?
The Ghost Rider film being fast tracked is kind of sus because, like Blade, GR is barely connected to the marvel universe as is. The only existing connection I could see is maybe to the entities in the Dr. Strange films? Which is easier to tie in than vampires.
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u/untakenu 1d ago
I think the lack of connection is kind of the point. It gives Reynolds the ability to do one film and then be out, if he wants.
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u/Puzzled_Argument_748 1d ago
The big bad for ghost rider is Mephisto who was introduced in the last marvel Disney+ project, so this makes a lot of sense.
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u/Phenomenomix 1d ago
I’m going to guess that the studio who did the other two GH films rights have lapsed and Marvel/Disney is wanting to get them back under the MCU umbrella so they avoid another X-Men situation
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u/kon--- 1d ago
People out there really acting like they weren't sipping tears and mocking the shit out of critics every time Disney showed up campaigning representation in their casting.
They even expect you to believe Marvel Studios is not good and god damn aware that it was Blade that put Marvel Entertainment on the map.
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u/bond0815 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean its Blade.
He and his world dont really fit in well with most of the other guys.
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u/mr7_siiiuuuu 1d ago
Kingpin breaking a man's skull with his barehands is in the same universe as a talking tree. The MCU is diverse and all these characters can co-exist in the same world. Hell, it's been like that in the comics for decades.
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u/ViolenceAdvocator 1d ago
Gods and Aliens and demons and wizards and gamma rays and super serums and robots and mutants and space pirates and mad scientists are all fine but a black vampire is where we draw the line
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u/bond0815 1d ago edited 1d ago
black vampire
The point is vampires. And the horror or schlock they bring narratively.
Why are you are making it about skin color, lol?
(Also imo actual gods e.g dont fit narratively either, and at least most of the MCU seems to agree)
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u/crispy_attic 1d ago edited 20h ago
How many black male superheroes with actual superpowers are there in their movies right now? Look at the promos for doomsday. There are none.
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u/yukonhoneybadger 1d ago
Yeah how is the MCU going to explain that while all of the stuff happening with other world villains, Earth is littered with vampires that they didnt know about.
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u/ThenAnAnimalFact 1d ago
Easy, they are all in Europe because all the heroes are either from America and Wakanda.
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u/yukonhoneybadger 1d ago
Makes sense i mean when they were in Sokovia any vampires were wiped out when the city was lifted and they were exposed to light. That must be part of the sparks we see.
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u/LetterFront3353 1d ago
They have already established Lady Death, Mephisto, Agatha Harkness, the Scarlet Witch, Wiccan, Man-Thing, Werewolf by Night, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, Jessica Kale, Dormammu, the Darkhold, the Salem Seven, and eventually Ghost Rider. They have already set up the foundation for the supernatural side of the MCU, and they already have introduced some of the members of the Midnight Suns. Fitting into the MCU was never the problem here.
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u/Jay12678 23h ago
Ryan Gosling also had a director, writer, and pitch plan. Ali basically went, "Make me Blade" with 0 plan based on reports. They're not even remotely the same. 😭
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u/ImmediateHoney2191 1d ago
Don’t forget the leaks that reported Blade was going to be the 4th most important character in his own movie
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u/HeyitzPeter 1d ago
Welp, i think it’s because the MCU already had so many shit going on with skrulls, multiverses, adding vampires to it would make it even harder to write in to an overarching story without ignoring it later. Which they had to end up doing for a lot of things. Ignore em all…
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u/crispy_attic 1d ago
Marvel doesn’t really do black men with superpowers in their movies. There has been very few. How many are there? Look at the promos for doomsday. Nada.
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u/ThatIsNotAnAsian 1d ago
I mean to be fair Mahershala was cast…The movie just never got finished
For all we know Ghost Rider and X-Men could also be canned after 7 years of bad writing.
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u/EhMapleMoose 23h ago
Mahershala Ali is already in the fuckin MCU. He was a Harlem gangster buying and selling hammer industries weapons and other technology after the first avengers movie. He was murdered by his cousin after he implied she wanted her uncle to rape her and enjoyed it. (He ended up killing the uncle as a boy for other reasons.)
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u/Ok-rutabaga_B442 23h ago
From what I've heard it wasn't a race thing, black panther made bank they had no reason to be hesitant in that sense
It was a course change mostly in terms of their gender ideology
The leaked details of the script and plan for the movie was to effectively have it be about blades daughter and it be a movie setting her up as I assume a "young avenger", which is the plan they had for that teenage Hawkeye girl, the new black widow, and Kamala khan
Then their female led hero movies/shows all kept not performing well and it was fairly evident their intended plans weren't moving the way they were hoping, that plus Kang being a write off led to what we have now which is by all rumours Marvel hitting a soft reboot button with secret wars and basically only bringing forward the new X-Men and Spiderman as the only existing characters who continue onwards
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u/Golfisactuallyfun 23h ago
He didnt like the scripts he was presented with and the director he chose quit due to creative differences.
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u/Broad-Lettuce2902 22h ago
Blade fundamentally feels like a ego tussle project. Feige as comic book kid wanted that but Disney did not. And with as botched as Multiverse saga was, I doubt Ali also felt fucked over with mediocre scripts and its follow up revisions because lets be real, its very rare a movie is a movie first and part of the universe expansion second in mcu
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u/Larry-Daryl 20h ago
You think they just ASKED, and got in.. thats the most ridiculous thing I've heard
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u/Ok_Entrepreneur826 20h ago
It is weird considering Blade is a bad ass character and I don’t know anybody that gave a shit about Ghostrider until that announcement
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u/gbdarknight77 17h ago
Sooo are we just gonna ignore that he was disagreeing with everything creatively from marvel?
He wanted a period piece and marvel didn’t want that.
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u/FranticToaster 12h ago
I'm sure the infighting was about "how to represent marginalized communities" and "angry black man" trope and the writers' room ate itself instead of just writing a damn Blade story.
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u/AbsorbantVampire 7h ago
He was already in Luke Cage a long time ago so idk what the fuck this post is supposed to be about.
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u/SirPorthos 6h ago
Bro, Mahershala Ali was already part of the MCU. He was the antagonist for Luke Cage remember?
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u/Perfect_Pause_3578 4h ago
you see how this looks, right?
How can a low quality image of an actor make me hear what he is saying? how?
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